Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Fredluos

Has someone tested yet, if the US 2015 release of Star Wars: The Complete Saga (with Darth Vader on the box) is Region Free or not?

It uses the same discs as the 2011 release, so it's region-free.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by svenge

It uses the same discs as the 2011 release, so it's region-free.

AFAIK all Disney 2D discs are region free. I am yet to come across one that is not.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

AFAIK all Disney 2D discs are region free. I am yet to come across one that is not.

Disney didn't release the discs he was referring to though.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Arawn

That's how it starts. Everyone puts on the Ring with good intentions.

Sauron sure didn't.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Martoto

What if Luke felt that all new trainees needed to be more aware of what the darkside meant, rather than just narrow dogma, in order to prevent the same mistakes caused by the "arrogance" of the old Jedi order being repeated.

I think this is the right track, but I don't think it means dark side. I think the teaser hints at the concept of removing the dark vs. light aspects of it and embracing a more grey morality that embraces realism. He'll be a hero and so will Rey, but without the dogmatic monk type rules of the Jedi order. Which I think is largely a good thing. When you watch the prequels the Jedi come off as idiots for the most part, and those movies aren't being removed from canon right or wrong.

I also think this is a good message for kids today and the world right now, where moral absolutes are used by extremists to divide people and we need healing.

[Fredluos]

Is there any way to tell the packing of the US 2015 version apart from Asian bootlegs? So that I will not regret my Ebay purchase. Does the UPC: 0024543742180 guarantee it? On some boxes Darth Vader's head reaches over the top edge, and on others he is smaller with lots of space above his head; different packaging versions.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I think this is the right track, but I don't think it means dark side. I think the teaser hints at the concept of removing the dark vs. light aspects of it and embracing a more grey morality that embraces realism. He'll be a hero and so will Rey, but without the dogmatic monk type rules of the Jedi order. Which I think is largely a good thing. When you watch the prequels the Jedi come off as idiots for the most part, and those movies aren't being removed from canon right or wrong.

I also think this is a good message for kids today and the world right now, where moral absolutes are used by extremists to divide people and we need healing.

This. I think Lucas is clearly indicating that Qui-Gonn who goes against the rules often is the model Jedi and the others have to look old and outmoded in their thinking so you can retain some sense of why Anakin can be swayed. I really think the message is good for kids in the first 3 too even if some of the execution is wanting.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I think the teaser hints at the concept of removing the dark vs. light aspects of it and embracing a more grey morality that embraces realism. He'll be a hero and so will Rey, but without the dogmatic monk type rules of the Jedi order. Which I think is largely a good thing. When you watch the prequels the Jedi come off as idiots for the most part, and those movies aren't being removed from canon right or wrong.

You may be conflating a number of separate issues here. The dogmatic rules of the Jedi ( or the Jedi looking like idiots ) are one thing, while the sides of the Force are another. ( Unless we're talking about the "we don't want you embracing the dark side" rule. )

Why did the old Jedi order fall? Because of dogmatic monk type rules? Or because an evil sorcerer committed to their destruction had gotten himself elected president?

And I don't see the teaser somehow removing the sides of the Force. For one thing, changing the Force is an inherently out-of-universe pastime; in-universe, presumably, the sides of the Force do not simply go away due to frustration with outcomes. But when it comes to the content of the teaser, the operative word is more. When we get more, does that necessarily mean that what we got before is being removed, invalidated, or thrown out? Or does it just mean that we're learning more information in addition to what we already knew?

[Lionel Horsepackage]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I think this is the right track, but I don't think it means dark side. I think the teaser hints at the concept of removing the dark vs. light aspects of it and embracing a more grey morality that embraces realism. He'll be a hero and so will Rey, but without the dogmatic monk type rules of the Jedi order. Which I think is largely a good thing. When you watch the prequels the Jedi come off as idiots for the most part, and those movies aren't being removed from canon right or wrong.

I also think this is a good message for kids today and the world right now, where moral absolutes are used by extremists to divide people and we need healing.

This also echoes what Kreia tells you in Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, that there actually exists a very "grey" philosophical spectrum between the Light and Dark sides of the Force, and that it's merely a matter of degrees at the end of the day, and that absolutism is ultimately an error. Qui-Gon Jinn also edged into this territory slightly in TPM. It'll be very interesting to see how this is approached in the next movie.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Lionel Horsepackage

This also echoes what Kreia tells you in Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, that there actually exists a very "grey" philosophical spectrum between the Light and Dark sides of the Force, and that it's merely a matter of degrees at the end of the day, and that absolutism is ultimately an error. Qui-Gon Jinn also edged into this territory slightly in TPM. It'll be very interesting to see how this is approached in the next movie.

What did Qui-Gon do that's considered to be in a gray area morally? I haven't seen the movie in a while but the only thing I can think of would be that he cheated in the dice game with Watto. But I think it's perfectly fine to be dishonest if it helps free someone from slavery.

[shinobipopcorn]

Originally Posted by Fredluos

Is there any way to tell the packing of the US 2015 version apart from Asian bootlegs? So that I will not regret my Ebay purchase. Does the UPC: 0024543742180 guarantee it? On some boxes Darth Vader's head reaches over the top edge, and on others he is smaller with lots of space above his head; different packaging versions.

Basically, if it's on ebay, there's a 90% chance it's bootleg. UPC means nothing in the age of photocopiers.

If the seller has more than 1, assume fake. Any space above Vader's head is a fake. Obviously a misspelling would be a fake. There are a few other clues but these are the main ones.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by Lionel Horsepackage

This also echoes what Kreia tells you in Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, that there actually exists a very "grey" philosophical spectrum between the Light and Dark sides of the Force, and that it's merely a matter of degrees at the end of the day, and that absolutism is ultimately an error.

Then again, she was also a Sith who wanted to kill the Force. Sometimes you need to consider the source. It's funny how these types seem to end up revealed as Sith in the end...

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

What did Qui-Gon do that's considered to be in a gray area morally? I haven't seen the movie in a while but the only thing I can think of would be that he cheated in the dice game with Watto. But I think it's perfectly fine to be dishonest if it helps free someone from slavery.

Qui-Gon: trust the force... trust the force... trust the force
Later on he doesn't trust the force and cheats... twice...
At the chance cube and again when he separates Sebulba and Anakin's pods...

[Vandal Savage]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

What did Qui-Gon do that's considered to be in a gray area morally? I haven't seen the movie in a while but the only thing I can think of would be that he cheated in the dice game with Watto. But I think it's perfectly fine to be dishonest if it helps free someone from slavery.

I can remember Qui-Gon Jinn being described as a "gray Jedi," who strictly followed neither the dark path or the light path, back when the prequels were coming out. I don't think he was ever described as such on-screen, but I can remember him being referred to like that either by commentators, the EU, or promotional material. Sort of like how we know those little fuzzy things in ROTJ were called "Ewoks," even though they were never called that in the movie.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Qui-Gon: trust the force... trust the force... trust the force
Later on he doesn't trust the force and cheats... twice...
At the chance cube and again when he separates Sebulba and Anakin's pods...

Again, I think the message is to do what's right for the greater good as the moment presents itself and to not be tied down to legality or bureaucratic interpretations of the rules. Watto is not a good guy. Fools and villains are to be cheated at their own games. This is why Qui-Gonn is the one to discover the power of immortality that the bad guys want so badly.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Qui-Gon: trust the force... trust the force... trust the force
Later on he doesn't trust the force and cheats... twice...
At the chance cube and again when he separates Sebulba and Anakin's pods...

Who cares if Qui-Gon messes with Sebulba? Sebulba was a cheater and murderer.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by happydood

Again, I think the message is to do what's right for the greater good as the moment presents itself and to not be tied down to legality or bureaucratic interpretations of the rules. Watto is not a good guy. Fools and villains are to be cheated at their own games. This is why Qui-Gonn is the one to discover the power of immortality that the bad guys want so badly.

The greater good would have to taken Shmi as well as Anakin.

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

The greater good would have to taken Shmi as well as Anakin.

It would have, but then, where do you stop? If he freed Shmi too, should he then have freed all the other slaves? And then gone on to free every slave in the galaxy?

But maybe that's the whole point, Qui-gon shouldn't have interfered with Anakin's life like he did, separating him from his mother. Sure, he could get the new hyperdrive, but maybe he should never have bargained to free Anakin, as look how it all turned out.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jonezzz...

It would have, but then, where do you stop? If he freed Shmi too, should he then have freed all the other slaves? And then gone on to free every slave in the galaxy?

Seems like a better job for Jedi than settling trade disputes.

[Indiana Jonezzz...]

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

Seems like a better job for Jedi than settling trade disputes.

I kind of agree, but maybe it's because it wasn't his mission. Although he could have alerted the Jedi to this, and they could have gone back later and freed the other slaves. But maybe they don't get involved in things like that outside of the Republic and their specific missions (like the trade dispute)?