Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by Roonan

No, the purpose was to give the ship a name, which would be identify the ship in question anywhere, be it in books, comics and yes, toy boxes and everything else.



Its name was given to the ship and has been important in that regard for 40 years, hence why it was used for that long; from the guy who created the franchise, to all the other artists, creators and licensees that were involved with the IP.

But hey, don't let me stop you from gas-lighting the latest instance of Disney destroying what was established in order to pander the easily offended "problematic" crowd, specially with examples that are not comparable to what they're doing.

If it's not in the movies, then it's not important.

I know that for some fans, knowing things that aren't in the movies is a big part of being a fan and enhancing ones stature in that regard. So naturally there are some who think it's "important". Lucasfilm has never at any stage in its life been in the business of making sure a small section of the fans continue to feel important for knowing a name (i.e. "in that regard") that was practically never used except on a toy box.

You call it pandering because you feel dispossessed now that Slave I means a little less than it did before. And if you are losing out then someone, somewhere must be getting unduly favoured. Right?

If the only justification for the Lego toy having Slave I on the box is to ensure that some fans continue to feel important then that is a problem. That certainly IS pandering.

Maybe some people love the name Slave I and think it's perfect for that particular ship and its pilot, even though the films don't use it, and for reasons that nobody may ever know. It's funny that we aren't hearing from those people and only hearing from those who are concerned about the wrong people being pandered to.

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by Martoto

If it's not in the movies, then it's not important.

Oh, really? I didn't know that. When was that decided? But I'm going to pretend that you do believe that.

In any case, the company that you are making up excuses for doesn't follow that premise. Because it was important enough to take it away.

Originally Posted by Martoto

You call it pandering because you feel dispossessed now that Slave I means a little less than it did before. And if you are losing out then someone, somewhere must be getting unduly favoured. Right?

I call it pandering because it's what it is. Just like it was for slave Leia, and a bunch of other things. And yes, someone, somewhere, is feeling pretty satisfied about it. Little by little, the IP that found itself in their hands is vandalized once again. And some people, somewhere, will continue to make up excuses for actions like these.

Originally Posted by Martoto

It's funny that we aren't hearing from those people and only hearing for those who are concerned about the wrong people being pandered to.

You're assuming that those are mutually exclusive.

The point is that it was the name of the ship, the amount of people who liked it or not is not and never was relevant. The issue is the principle. The name that it always had and was known for was removed, and the only thing worse than the people who caused this removal, are those who are willing to excuse these pointless, corporate decisions by making strawman arguments. There's a name for that.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by Roonan

Oh, really? I didn't know that. When was that decided? But I'm going to pretend that you do believe that.

By George Lucas. As far as he was concerned. Anything that wasn't in the movies and he didn't have a need for was disposable. Anything that was important, went in the movies. Sometimes, things he decided were important but which weren't considered so before, were added to the movies later on. Whether we liked it or not.

Originally Posted by Roonan

In any case, the company that you are making up excuses for doesn't follow that premise. Because it was important enough to take it away.

It was important for Disney to not market a kids toy as the Slave I. I don't see what's so difficult for people to understand and accept about that.

Originally Posted by Roonan

I call it pandering because it's what it is. Just like it was for slave Leia,

Who was pandered to regarding slave Leia? When did this pandering take place? And what form did this pandering take?

Originally Posted by Roonan

You're assuming that those are mutually exclusive.

The point is that it was the name of the ship, the amount of people who liked it or not is not and never was relevant. The issue is the principle. The name that it always had and was known for was removed, and the only thing worse than the people who caused this removal, are those who are willing to excuse these pointless, corporate decisions by making strawman arguments. There's a name for that.

No I'm pointing out that Disney's supposedly sinister motives are being questioned, rather than the propriety/suitability of the name being championed (Maybe if it was important to the movies then that's what people would lead with. But, guess what? )

It's only a specific type of pre-packed argument that's being aimed at this toy packaging scandal.

[koberulz]

It bothers me tremendously that people react to this by going "ugh the woke SJW leftists are at it again!", because it distracts from the actual issue that Disney and other companies do things like this because they're highly-visible, low-cost things they can do to distract from their appalling behaviour in other areas and thus put off making any actual meaningful change.

So yes, it's pandering, and yes, it's bad, but not for the reasons given.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by koberulz

It bothers me tremendously that people react to this by going "ugh the woke SJW leftists are at it again!", because it distracts from the actual issue that Disney and other companies do things like this because they're highly-visible, low-cost things they can do to distract from their appalling behaviour in other areas and thus put off making any actual meaningful change.

So yes, it's pandering, and yes, it's bad, but not for the reasons given.

I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one.

[trevrox]

This just ruined Star Wars for me. Slave I was the most important part of my childhood. I will be destroying all my Star Wars Blu-rays and books

[stvn1974]

I am just outraged that they took what Lucas created and changed it all these years later. He would never do something like... oops.

[Jay H.]

Originally Posted by Martoto

If it's not in the movies, then it's not important.

This.

[hanshotfirst1138]

Asinine, but whatever. It’s not like they’re changing anything else in the movies proper, at least not yet.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Roonan

I call it pandering because it's what it is. Just like it was for slave Leia, and a bunch of other things. And yes, someone, somewhere, is feeling pretty satisfied about it. Little by little, the IP that found itself in their hands is vandalized once again. And some people, somewhere, will continue to make up excuses for actions like these.

It was vandalized years ago with the creation of the special editions and suppression of the original versions.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Canada

Disney Drops Slave 1 name in favor of 'Boba Fett's Starship'

That really is ridiculous.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by koberulz

It bothers me tremendously that people react to this by going "ugh the woke SJW leftists are at it again!", because it distracts from the actual issue that Disney and other companies do things like this because they're highly-visible, low-cost things they can do to distract from their appalling behaviour in other areas and thus put off making any actual meaningful change.

So yes, it's pandering, and yes, it's bad, but not for the reasons given.

well it IS bad for the reasons given, but you are correct that it is MUCH worse for the reasons not given and if you look at all the terrible stuff going on with environment and real, terrible rights violations and so on and then it's all silent but all sorts of micro this and that it's 100% attention, ever more dumbed down and shallow, and the big money corps and a few CEOs a few sold out politicians and organization leaders and so on get away with more of the true dirt

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by koberulz

Disney and other companies do things like this because they're highly-visible, low-cost things they can do to distract from their appalling behaviour in other areas and thus put off making any actual meaningful change.

It's a name on a toy box for goodness sake. I would never have known about it if it wasn't brought to my attention by people that have been scandalised by the shit stirring articles about it.

I don't recall any high visibility promotion or endorsement of this change.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Martoto

It's a name on a toy box for goodness sake. I would never have known about it if it wasn't brought to my attention by people that have been scandalised by the shit stirring articles about it.

I don't recall any high visibility promotion or endorsement of this change.

It was all over the trading cards, mentioned in tons of books, magazines, etc. and it's a crazy change since their isn't even anything truly "woke" about the name change either, it's just a shallow, non-sensical pander to nothing.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by Martoto

It's a name on a toy box for goodness sake. I would never have known about it if it wasn't brought to my attention by people that have been scandalised by the shit stirring articles about it.

I don't recall any high visibility promotion or endorsement of this change.

I don't know. I grew up with Boba Fett's ship being called Slave I based on a toy and I'm fine with it staying that way and fine if it's not going forward. I'm not looking to defend Disney (I think MOST of what they've done with Star Wars is soul-less) in any way and couldn't care much less than I do about toy branding as a grown-up, but if the last few years in this country have taught me anything, it's that people shaking their fist at the sky about 'woke' people running around and being triggered seem to constantly be running around and being triggered.

Also, did it occur to anyone that in Lucas' updated canon, Boba Fett wasn't a slave? I'd like to see them rebrand it 'Clone 1' because that outrage would send me to bed with a big, stupid smile on my face.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by happydood

Also, did it occur to anyone that in Lucas' updated canon, Boba Fett wasn't a slave?

Who said he was a slave? He was a ruthless bounty hunter who probably traded in slaves at times. What the word slave can't appear in anything anymore? Just the term doesn't imply condoning it. The term was mentioned a lot in TPM but not getting cheered on. Maybe they will now go back and redo TPM so Anakin was never a slave?

And I'm not some crazed Trump fan going nuts. Anything but. But some of this is just ridiculous. Not all of it by any means, but some of it for sure. And it is not even woke in this case at all. Just like how they added females all up and down the ranks of the Empire all over the place now, trying to be woke. Only that is actually less woke than Star Wars originally was since it was supposed to be the diverse Rebels with females up and down the groups and various species while the Empire was basically nearly all white, male, human and mega corporation, dicatator, autocrat, military-industrial complex-like. So it's all totally fake and phony on top of it all.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

Who said he was a slave? He was a ruthless bounty hunter who probably traded in slaves at times. What the word slave can't appear in anything anymore? Just the term doesn't imply condoning it. The term was mentioned a lot in TPM but not getting cheered on. Maybe they will now go back and redo TPM so Anakin was never a slave?

And I'm not some crazed Trump fan going nuts. Anything but. But some of this is just ridiculous. Not all of it by any means, but some of it for sure. And it is not even woke in this case at all. Just like how they added females all up and down the ranks of the Empire all over the place now, trying to be woke. Only that is actually less woke than Star Wars originally was since it was supposed to be the diverse Rebels with females up and down the groups and various species while the Empire was basically nearly all white, male, human and mega corporation, dicatator, autocrat, military-industrial complex-like. So it's all totally fake and phony on top of it all.

I don't assume you're crazed and going nuts. My Kenner toy and Starlog loving a$$ always assumed that the name Slave I was implying that Boba Fett had been a slave- hence the archetypal name that i always assumed Lucas gave to the ship. Since he controlled all the toy rights and everything that escaped into the public zeitgeist I assumed the name was his. Maybe I'm wrong.

But as for the label 'woke-' whenever I was being too loud in my grandma's apartment when I was little (and in danger of disturbing her neighbors), she used to pinch my cheek and tell me if I wasn't quiet the 'boogey man' would sneak in and get me. For real. Grown woman. I was 5. This was 1976- two years before 'Halloween' (1978) was a thing. Totally true story and it messed me up, but good. Now... she was a good person, but she wasn't cool and she wasn't very funny in general. She didn't mean what she said in any way other than to shut me up. I've kinda always thought of people using the term 'woke' as having the same intent.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

It was all over the trading cards, mentioned in tons of books, magazines, etc. and it's a crazy change since their isn't even anything truly "woke" about the name change either, it's just a shallow, non-sensical pander to nothing.

Maybe that's because it's got nothing to do with woke and it's just that people seem to think Slave is not a word to be labeling kids toys with so gratuitously. ("Crazy" isn't?)

It's only those who think the name Slave I is important (it has zero meaning in the movies and shows it has appeared in) who are claiming it's a "woke" decision.

Originally Posted by happydood

I don't know. I grew up with Boba Fett's ship being called Slave I based on a toy and I'm fine with it staying that way and fine if it's not going forward. I'm not looking to defend Disney (I think MOST of what they've done with Star Wars is soul-less) in any way and couldn't care much less than I do about toy branding as a grown-up, but if the last few years in this country have taught me anything, it's that people shaking their fist at the sky about 'woke' people running around and being triggered seem to constantly be running around and being triggered.

Also, did it occur to anyone that in Lucas' updated canon, Boba Fett wasn't a slave? I'd like to see them rebrand it 'Clone 1' because that outrage would send me to bed with a big, stupid smile on my face.

Not everybody is even aware of the name Slave I, never mind why that was the name given. The reasons for which were invented decades later.

[WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW]

Originally Posted by Martoto

Maybe that's because it's got nothing to do with woke and it's just that people seem to think Slave is not a word to be labeling kids toys with so gratuitously. ("Crazy" isn't?)

Why not? No term that has any bad connotation can be used? Fett does tons of horrible stuff, but heaven forbid his ship has a name that fits with what he does....

It's only those who think the name Slave I is important (it has zero meaning in the movies and shows it has appeared in) who are claiming it's a "woke" decision.

Everything you stated above is the very definition of the overly woke thing (and I say overly, since it's certainly not always unreasonable, like if you actually know the history behind many of the Confederate monuments, you can understand why many might not want them sitting their in the public square, often they represent fake people who never existed and were made up as propaganda by groups such Daughters of the Confederacy who were upset that they lost their posh lifestyle and where they often brought former slaves to and beat and whipped them, children too, and occasionally even hung them and were meant to terrorize people, spread treasonous propaganda and restore the old order).

It's this sort of shallow, joke of a woke crap that gets tons of attention meanwhile they overlook actually terrible stuff or behind the scenes do horrible crap.

Not everybody is even aware of the name Slave I, never mind why that was the name given. The reasons for which were invented decades later.

Just about everyone who was a kid when the films came out and into Star Wars knows the name and the reasons were not invented decades later.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

Why not? No term that has any bad connotation can be used? Fett does tons of horrible stuff, but heaven forbid his ship has a name that fits with what he does....

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying.

And it does not fit what he does.

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

Everything you stated above is the very definition of the overly woke thing (and I say overly, since it's certainly not always unreasonable, like if you actually know the history behind many of the Confederate monuments, you can understand why many might not want them sitting their in the public square, often they represent fake people who never existed and were made up as propaganda by groups such Daughters of the Confederacy who were upset that they lost their posh lifestyle and where they often brought former slaves to and beat and whipped them, children too, and occasionally even hung them and were meant to terrorize people, spread treasonous propaganda and restore the old order).

It's this sort of shallow, joke of a woke crap that gets tons of attention meanwhile they overlook actually terrible stuff or behind the scenes do horrible crap.

It's only people who have this irrational need to protect a totally disposable, thrown out name for a fictitious space shape are giving it tons of attention.

I wouldn't even know about it if it wasn't for all the attention that offended champions of pop culture trivia are giving it.

Originally Posted by WBMakeVMarsMovieNOW

Just about everyone who was a kid when the films came out and into Star Wars knows the name and the reasons were not invented decades later.

Simply not true.