HDR is crayons

[Noremac Mij]

That’s a real nice picture. Problem is that people watch the caps and Blu on monitors/TVs with way too cool of a color temperature. It doesn’t capture the yellowish warmth that projection has and this warmth makes the teal slightly greenish. And then the same crowd complains that everything is too teal.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...=48604&i=6&l=0

This capture is very faithful to how Aliens looks like on film. And if I set my monitor to max warmth and max contrast, it looks spot on.

[jrcorwin3]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

That’s a real nice picture. Problem is that people watch the caps and Blu on monitors/TVs with way too cool of a color temperature. It doesn’t capture the yellowish warmth that projection has and this warmth makes the teal slightly greenish. And then the same crowd complains that everything is too teal.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...=48604&i=6&l=0

This capture is very faithful to how Aliens looks like on film. And if I set my monitor to max warmth and max contrast, it looks spot on.

Has your actual UHD viewing display been calibrated with an accurate meter or by a professional?

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by jrcorwin3

Has your actual UHD viewing display been calibrated with an accurate meter or by a professional?

In short yes and yes. But know this, calibrating a TV is not just science but art as well. It takes many years of experience and familiarity/love of actual film to do it right. A second rate professional with a cheap Chinese colorimeter won’t do it.

It’s like setting up a phono cartridge. 10 professionals using accurate tools will result in 10 different sounding turntables.

[jrcorwin3]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

In short yes and yes. But know this, calibrating a TV is not just science but art as well. It takes many years of experience and familiarity/love of actual film to do it right. A second rate professional with a cheap Chinese colorimeter won’t do it.

It’s like setting up a phono cartridge. 10 professionals using accurate tools will result in 10 different sounding turntables.

I am well aware and advocate for investing in a quality professional calibration. Your comments about your monitor made me wonder if you had eyeballed it, used a disc or were changing color temp settings on the fly (all nails-on-a-chalkboard type of cringeworthy to me).

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by jrcorwin3

I am well aware and advocate for investing in a quality professional calibration. Your comments about your monitor made me wonder if you had eyeballed it, used a disc or were changing color temp settings on the fly (all nails-on-a-chalkboard type of cringeworthy to me).

As I said before, I seek out and watch 1 to 2 original 35mm/70mm prints a month and then compare them to various home video releases. I have a lot of friends in the industry and no less than 4 theaters in the Chicagoland area who source prints from all sorts of worldwide sources, i.e. collectors, etc. My various TVs are calibrated to where 90% of UHDs match the theatrical projection. LD, VHS, DVD are a joke and Blu never had this high of a consistency, not even close. HDR and OLED are incredible technologies. Movie fans have never had it better before. If your UHDs don’t match projected film, I recommend hiring a new “professional.”

[StingingVelvet]

Default "movie modes" tend to be relatively accurate now-a-days. Not a substitute for pro-calibration usually, but solid enough to comment on color and whatnot. That's assuming they use the proper warm setting though, which even on this forum many do not.

I do think many teal complaints are exaggerated by people using cool settings who were used to the DVD era's magenta push compensating for that somewhat.

[Noremac Mij]

Some of those default settings are indeed pretty darn good.

[Cook]

Ive never seen a warm color setting on a TV that looked good to me. They look too...idk sepia or brown to me. Whites dont look like whites. So I always set the tv to the standard or neutral color temp. I've seen many projected films and they didnt look like any tv with warm color temps. And besides a lot of modern films are shot on digital and are being played at home in a digital format with no projector involved. The look of a projector shouldnt matter at home unless youre using an actual projector at home.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Default "movie modes" tend to be relatively accurate now-a-days. Not a substitute for pro-calibration usually, but solid enough to comment on color and whatnot. That's assuming they use the proper warm setting though, which even on this forum many do not.

I do think many teal complaints are exaggerated by people using cool settings who were used to the DVD era's magenta push compensating for that somewhat.

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Some of those default settings are indeed pretty darn good.

They really are. My OLED Expert ISF Dark and Bright modes have been calculated to be quite accurate out of the box. A few tweaks is all that was needed to get the PQ really solid. I use Warm as my base color temp for each mode.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Default "movie modes" tend to be relatively accurate now-a-days. Not a substitute for pro-calibration usually, but solid enough to comment on color and whatnot. That's assuming they use the proper warm setting though, which even on this forum many do not.

I do think many teal complaints are exaggerated by people using cool settings who were used to the DVD era's magenta push compensating for that somewhat.

In terms of a ballpark figure of overall colour balance then yeah, they can be pretty good OOTB nowaday but many review samples still show inconsistencies in greyscale at one end of the spectrum or the other. Too much or too little stimulus of a particular colour can end up skewing whites or blacks into unnattractive shades, like that recent thread in the HDR tech forum with the dude who gets greeny-looking blacks on his telly.

BTW cool colour temp actually makes these 'tealed' discs look much more normally blue rather than pushing them further into the teal-light zone: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...8#post13954828

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Cook

Ive never seen a warm color setting on a TV that looked good to me. They look too...idk sepia or brown to me. Whites dont look like whites. So I always set the tv to the standard or neutral color temp. I've seen many projected films and they didnt look like any tv with warm color temps. And besides a lot of modern films are shot on digital and are being played at home in a digital format with no projector involved. The look of a projector shouldnt matter at home unless youre using an actual projector at home.

And here lies the problem...

[nick4Knight]

I do the color temp preference thing on my Plasma. Not sure it won't be similar on my incoming setup of OLED C8... which will be getting pro-calibrated for sure.

I'll do each title the justice of watching accurately (or rather as intended) once, likely first? But after that further demoing may reveal a preference for some

[JohnCarpenterFan]

Oh jeez, not that "article" again. While it's annoying that useless piece of misinformation still gets shared, at least I know some people will read it, realize that these teal raving whackjobs aren't worth taking seriously, and will be encouraged to look at things from a more sensible standpoint.

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Some of those default settings are indeed pretty darn good.

I was surprised at how little I had to change out of the box on my LG LED.

I set it to 'user/standard', turned on the HDR, turned down the colour, turned the sharpness off, and it looked good to go.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

In terms of a ballpark figure of overall colour balance then yeah, they can be pretty good OOTB nowaday but many review samples still show inconsistencies in greyscale at one end of the spectrum or the other. Too much or too little stimulus of a particular colour can end up skewing whites or blacks into unnattractive shades, like that recent thread in the HDR tech forum with the dude who gets greeny-looking blacks on his telly.

As I said, it's not a substitute and not perfect, but it is certainly close enough that people can comment on general color timing and whatnot. When a TV like mine can have a dE of 1.6 and gamma of 2.17 out of the box I don't think we can say "you're not seeing the right image anyway!" anymore. Granted it does depend on brand and television quality, but "move mode" is much more accurate out of the box than it used to be.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

As I said, it's not a substitute and not perfect, but it is certainly close enough that people can comment on general color timing and whatnot. When a TV like mine can have a dE of 1.6 and gamma of 2.17 out of the box I don't think we can say "you're not seeing the right image anyway!" anymore. Granted it does depend on brand and television quality, but "move mode" is much more accurate out of the box than it used to be.

Funny you say that, because Samsung's 2018 sets (even their flagship) are grossly inaccurate, even in movie mode, when it comes to HDR content. This is mostly due to how it tracks the PQ EOTF, though.

Hopefully more manufacturers don't go in that direction going forward.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Funny you say that, because Samsung's 2018 sets (even their flagship) are grossly inaccurate, even in movie mode, when it comes to HDR content. This is mostly due to how it tracks the PQ EOTF, though.

Yeah I've read a lot in general about Samsung's quality taking a dive after 2016, in all sorts of ways. Which is a real shame since they sell so well.

[Noremac Mij]

Samsung just might be the single worst and most corrupt company on this planet. Not sure why people are still buying their products and giving them hard earned money.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Samsung just might be the single worst and most corrupt company on this planet. Not sure why people are still buying their products and giving them hard earned money.

Given some of the shenanigans they've pulled over the last couple of years, it's hard to argue with that.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Samsung just might be the single worst and most corrupt company on this planet. Not sure why people are still buying their products and giving them hard earned money.

Well in 2016 they had one of the top five HDR televisions, and it was under $1500, so that was a pretty good reason. I don't care about brands, I care about individual item quality. If I were to buy a TV today I would obviously make a different choice.