Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[42041]

Originally Posted by ambient_indie

Watching them takes me back to how much I do love Star Wars. You don't have those distracting scenes. It's Star Wars, just as millions of fans saw it in the 80s and 90s. You can sit and just enjoy the story. Something I haven't really done since the 90s. It is your loss. The DMV will be a shorter wait time than Disney's unaltered trilogy release.

You folks really need to take a few deep breaths I'm hardly a fan of the changes but it's not that big of a f**cking deal

[ambient_indie]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

It's still piracy. It's still illegal. No matter the excuse.

It's a matter of the right holders not giving fans what they want.

[ambient_indie]

Originally Posted by 42041

You folks really need to take a few deep breaths I'm hardly a fan of the changes but it's not that big of a f**cking deal

I guess what I'm really saying is I could watch Star Wars without focusing on the problems of those added scenes. Because they are erased!

[Dreamliner330]

Originally Posted by insomniac013

And it's a normal amaray! Nice! Still not individual cases like I wanted but it's better than the digipak.

Is that confirmed? I had to exchange the complete series a couple times (just like Indiana Jones) to get all discs without scratches. I made some custom Blu-ray artwork and put the discs in a regular case. I might double dip for the case.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

It's still piracy. It's still illegal. No matter the excuse.

If you own said movie, I'd call it a legally grey area. Superman Returns has a really amazing HD Fan fan edit...allegedly.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by ambient_indie

It's a matter of the right holders not giving fans what they want.

It's not the fans' property. We've been over this, and so have the courts.

[dubious]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

It's not the fans' property. We've been over this, and so have the courts.

... yeah, because that kind of BS reasoning makes so much sense. When is the law always right? Gay marriage was illegal until a month ago...

... anyways, movies released by bootleg labels that have never have had an official release are usually deemed to be gray market, because the laws are not specific about unavailable products that are bootlegged. In a technical sense, the untouched original trilogy is unavailable.

[ambient_indie]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

It's not the fans' property. We've been over this, and so have the courts.

George is that you?

[Cook]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

It's not the fans' property. We've been over this, and so have the courts.

Well apparently it's not the properties of the directors either seeing as Lucas dicked with Kershner and Marquand's films.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by octagon

Is it really a cash cow though? Or more to the point, for how much longer will it be a cash cow? They've got perpetual distribution rights to Episode IV but that only covers theatrical distribution and physical home releases. It doesn't appear to cover non-physical distribution.

I'm not sure your 20 year annuity comparison really applies in that case. I'm not a physical media alarmist and I believe there is still plenty of gold in them thar hills but there's also no question that this particular cash cow is getting thinner and thinner every year.

I could see Fox selling their distribution rights while they're still relatively valuable.

As Jay said, the digital version still has the relevant Fox indicia which would indicate that their distribution in perpetuity covers all formats past, present and future even if they're not mentioned by name; it's not much of a perpetual deal if a new distribution format comes along that they're excluded from. The deal for the other five movies seems to be more straightforward, i.e. that it WAS specifically for theatrical and physical media which is why Disney were able to finagle digital distribution out of it well before Fox's agreement is due to expire.

It's still not as big an issue as people think it is though because Fox don't own the IP itself, even if they can hang on to distribution in perpetuity that's still distribution on behalf of the rights holder (Lucasfilm) which is now owned by Disney anyway. Of course they can't be ordered by LFL to collaborate with Disney for free but I'm positive they'll come to an accord easily enough, either by licencing out the movie for use in Disney's boxset or by Disney buying out Fox's distribution completely.

[Doctor Jack]

Looks like some thiefs justifying theft. Nice.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by dubious

... yeah, because that kind of BS reasoning makes so much sense. When is the law always right? Gay marriage was illegal until a month ago...

Most people are second-level thinkers, which means they see issues in black and white and see the law as absolute. Third-level thinkers think rationally about whether a law or action is moral or empathetic, rather than strictly legal or socially acceptable. It has nothing to do with intelligence, you could be a genius second-level thinker or a real idiot third-level thinker. Being third-level is much harder and often leads to anxiety or isolation issues.

/sociologist

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by dubious

... yeah, because that kind of BS reasoning makes so much sense. When is the law always right? Gay marriage was illegal until a month ago...

You're comparing SW copyright to gay marriage? Really?


Ay ay ayyy.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Cook

Well apparently it's not the properties of the directors either seeing as Lucas dicked with Kershner and Marquand's films.

You do know they were "hired guns", right? Even Spielberg said it about his work on Indiana Jones.

[42041]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

It's not the fans' property. We've been over this, and so have the courts.

Who cares? If the people who own the rights to sell the film are not selling them, then piracy can hardly be taking away from their sales anyway.

[stvn1974]

In the cases of Empire and Jedi Lucas was the studio. Him changing those films isn't any different than studios colorizing their films. Those directors were all for hire. Warner Bros could replace the flying monkeys with CGI and it wouldn't be any different.


I bought Star Wars on several VHS sets, the 1997 DVD and the further ruined DVD set. Then I bought the ruined versions with the bonus slap in the face non-anamorphic DVDs so I feel no guilt in downloading the DS editions.

[Nada]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

In the cases of Empire and Jedi Lucas was the studio. Him changing those films isn't any different than studios colorizing their films. Those directors were all for hire. Warner Bros could replace the flying monkeys with CGI and it wouldn't be any different.

Lucas wrote, produced, financed, supervised post/pre-production, and edited Empire and Jedi. He was involved with every level of production the same that a director would be, except he didn't direct them. Even Marquand and Kershner understood that they were Lucas' films. But keep playing this inane game of yours...

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by Nada

Lucas wrote, produced, financed, supervised post/pre-production, and edited Empire and Jedi. He was involved with every level of production the same that a director would be, except he didn't direct them. Even Marquand and Kershner understood that they were Lucas' films. But keep playing this inane game of yours...

How is that different than a studio getting involved during a production and making the director do reshoots, change things and alter the film? They bought the rights and are paying for everything.

[Nada]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

How is that different than a studio getting involved during a production and making the director do reshoots, change things and alter the film? They bought the rights and are paying for everything.

The studio didn't write the script, design the look of the film, edit the film, shoot second unit, etc. Lucas is both the studio and the filmmaker in this case, he just didn't have enough hours in the day to direct and honestly, didn't want to after filming the first film nearly killed him. They are clearly his films through and through. He practically directed Jedi too.

[solaris72]

Originally Posted by Nada

The studio didn't write the script, design the look of the film, edit the film, shoot second unit, etc. Lucas is both the studio and the filmmaker in this case, he just didn't have enough hours in the day to direct and honestly, didn't want to after filming the first film nearly killed him. They are clearly his films through and through. He practically directed Jedi too.

Agreed. I don't like Lucas' revisions to the films, but Empire and Jedi are undeniably more his films than the directors'. That's why David Lynch turned down the offer to direct Jedi.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

the 1997 DVD

Star Wars wasn't released on DVD until 9/21/04.