Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[stvn1974]

Carrie Fisher bouncing off the walls like Yoda in Attack Of The Clones would be awesome.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Carrie Fisher bouncing off the walls like Yoda in Attack Of The Clones would be awesome.

Leia and Han in Las Vegas after the Battle of Endor was nuts.

"Some of it was good."

"Pretty good."

[Lionel Horsepackage]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

I'd still like to know how the hell Leia can remember Padmé. The woman died in childbirth!

That inconsistency could have easily been fixed if Lucas had cut out the bit when Luke talks to Leia about her mother. Have the scene start where Leia asks Luke what's troubling him.

The writing of that particular story-point is fine; we know from the OT that both Luke and Leia are the offspring of a particularly-powerful Force user, and as a result it's entirely possible (and, indeed, probable) that Leia would be susceptible to empathic Force-impressions as an infant, while Luke was generally a much more overtly-powerful, Jedi Knight-level wielder overall. They both possess their own distinctive strengths, and as Luke himself tells Leia in ROTJ, "The Force is strong in my family -- my father had it, I have it, and my sister has it."

Coming as that does during that same exact onscreen conversation, I've never had any problem with reconciling Padmé's death in ROTS with Leia's recollections in ROTJ.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

I'd still like to know how the hell Leia can remember Padmé. The woman died in childbirth!

Here's a good video about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tnqFjTg5Zg

[Class316]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep, all true enough but the obvious question is why, if they shared that womb, does Luke not remember any of that junk? If we're going all head-canony then I suppose it could be rationalised with Leia being more of a Force sensitive on the emotional side of things whilst Luke is more about a physical manifestation of his powers (which is also a VERY handy get-out for old Leia not dropping any fancy lightsaber moves in the sequel trilogy).

Right. Different people are different. Same applies when it comes to the force. Mace Windu is not like Obi Wan. Luke is not like Leia. And so on and so forth.

Obviously Leia is more emotional which would make sense given that she's female. That's how she felt her brother's distress at the end of ESB, and that's how she felt Han's death in Force Awakens.

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I've been thinking about this lately. Is the PT really all that bad?

No

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I'm not a hardcore Star Wars guy but I always assumed she was talking about her adopted mom we see in Revenge of the Sith and just didn't know it wasn't her real mom.

Luke specifically says your real mom.

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep, all true enough but the obvious question is why, if they shared that womb, does Luke not remember any of that junk? If we're going all head-canony then I suppose it could be rationalised with Leia being more of a Force sensitive on the emotional side of things whilst Luke is more about a physical manifestation of his powers (which is also a VERY handy get-out for old Leia not dropping any fancy lightsaber moves in the sequel trilogy).

Luke's eyes were closed. Leia's were open.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

No adopted mom is more obvious. That is why Luke asks about her mom...not "their" mom. He knew she was his sister so why would he ask about real mom knowing the circumstances which I believe he did and were not told about it (as in filmed). I believe he knew about separated at birth thing and was not asking about biological mom.

No because he had yet to tell Leia they were brother & sister. So why would he say "our mom" yet?

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

Luke specifically says your real mom.

Your real mom could mean the mom that took care of you.

@bobbyh64. I trust the creator. The may not agree with all of the, but I respect them because they are his creations, not ours.

[Lionel Horsepackage]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Your real mom could mean the mom that took care of you.

@bobbyh64. I trust the creator. The may not agree with all of the, but I respect them because they are his creations, not ours.

Although, given the context of that particular conversation (the twins discussing birth-parents, and Luke specifically revealing their relationship as siblings), it's pretty clear that he's referring to biological parentage, not adoptive parentage, there, and is hoping for any information Leia remembers about Padmé.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Lionel Horsepackage

Although, given the context of that particular conversation (the twins discussing birth-parents, and Luke specifically revealing their relationship as siblings), it's pretty clear that he's referring to biological parentage, not adoptive parentage, there, and is hoping for any information Leia remembers about Padmé.

I just watched the scene. I concede. However him not having memory isn't a fault to me, anymore than her having a vague feeling.

People are impacted differently by the force and environment can screw with feelings/memories especially over a great many years!

@mightymax so true!

[Hardback247]

It's not really a plot hole. You just have to think about it a little.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

It's not really a plot hole. You just have to think about it a little.

This isn't Last Year at Marienbad, we shouldn't have to twist logic so the movie makes sense. That scene in Jedi is important, it's there because it humanizes their plight. We can't relate to using the force, or wielding lightsabres or space travel, but every audience member can relate to having or not having a mother. It's good screen writing as it also puts into perspective what Luke is dealing with and why going after his father is important. If Leia's memories are just "force" nonsense that we now have to retroactively explain away the inconsistencies with Luke's experience without any guidance by the films themselves, then the entire scene in Jedi is meaningless.

I just disregard the PT anyway as it's such a colossal mess from beginning to end.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

I just disregard the PT anyway as it's such a colossal mess from beginning to end.

You can't just disregard these movies. They are official Star Wars canon whether you like them or not.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Class316

I disagree. The original lines are just plain better. I admit when SE changes are improvements. But these lines are not amongst them.

You're not listening. The lines you're hearing ARE the original lines. They're not SE changes.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

This isn't Last Year at Marienbad, we shouldn't have to twist logic so the movie makes sense. That scene in Jedi is important, it's there because it humanizes their plight. We can't relate to using the force, or wielding lightsabres or space travel, but every audience member can relate to having or not having a mother. It's good screen writing as it also puts into perspective what Luke is dealing with and why going after his father is important. If Leia's memories are just "force" nonsense that we now have to retroactively explain away the inconsistencies with Luke's experience without any guidance by the films themselves, then the entire scene in Jedi is meaningless.

I just disregard the PT anyway as it's such a colossal mess from beginning to end.

Never understood this logic. So there is the force so therefore there is no more feelings?

Just like An shooting "first" changes nothing about the bad ass shot under table.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

Luke's eyes were closed. Leia's were open.

It doesn't really matter. Leia's impressions of Padme are not from that moment.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Never understood this logic. So there is the force so therefore there is no more feelings?

Just like An shooting "first" changes nothing about the bad ass shot under table.

Of course there's still feelings, but the presumption was that the scene in Jedi was written in a way to make sense with what happened in Revenge of the Sith. I'm saying that these moments were written into the film (Jedi) to enable the audience to relate to the characters, so that we care about them. It's hard to have empathy about something we can't experience ourselves (force imprints.).

This is a powerful scene as we are given some character exposition, Luke is feeling the pain of never knowing his mother and is (and this is important) trying to find stuff out about his mother. Leia's reponse paints a very vivid relatable picture about her young life and also the CONTRAST of Luke's. I cannot fathom a scenario where the screenwriters were thinking while writing Jedi anything other than what everybody thought before the PT was released.

Also Han shooting Greedo before Greedo could do anything was important too. That scene is a very clever and economically sound way of telling the audience who Han Solo is. After that scene is over we know everything we need to about him. Han dodging a laser or Greedo (a bounty hunter) missing at point blank range creates a totally different effect.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

You can't just disregard these movies. They are official Star Wars canon whether you like them or not.

Of course I can. What's good and bad about the saga is fun to discuss but there's nothing legally binding about how I enjoy them. I watch them as if the PT never happened (just like I did before the PT). Just as you can watch them and pretend that Leia having force imprints is intersting at all.