Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Class316]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There's also Luke's line to Artoo in Empire, you get "you were lucky to get out of there" in the SE's but "you're lucky you don't taste very good" in the original. And yes, most of these are alternate takes recorded during principal production.

Apparently the reason why certain dialogue changes crept into the SE's (in 1997, anyway ) is because they used the 70mm 6-track mixes as the basis for the discrete 5.1 audio and so the changes in those mixes were carried over into the SE's.

And they've had almost 20 years to restore those lines, still nada.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Class316

And they've had almost 20 years to restore those lines, still nada.

They're from different sound mixes. These lines were present in their original theatrical releases. You just prefer the ones you preer because they've been etched into your brain by the home video releases. Here's an explanation:

Star Wars:
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Sta...d/15294/page/1

Empire
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/70-...rences/id/2321

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I've been thinking about this lately. Is the PT really all that bad?

Yes.

[Class316]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

They're from different sound mixes. These lines were present in their original theatrical releases. You just prefer the ones you preer because they've been etched into your brain by the home video releases.

I disagree. The original lines are just plain better. I admit when SE changes are improvements. But these lines are not amongst them.

[Captain Flint]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I've been thinking about this lately. Is the PT really all that bad?

No.

[steel_breeze]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I've been thinking about this lately. Is the PT really all that bad?

Yes and no.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by steel_breeze

Yes and no.

How about yes (1), yes (2) and maybe (3).

[The Fallen Deity]

I'd still like to know how the hell Leia can remember Padmé. The woman died in childbirth!

That inconsistency could have easily been fixed if Lucas had cut out the bit when Luke talks to Leia about her mother. Have the scene start where Leia asks Luke what's troubling him.

[Geoff D]

"Through the Force, things you will see. Other places, the future, the past, old friends long gone".

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

"Through the Force, things you will see. Other places, the future, the past, old friends long gone".

I guess...

The Force works in mysterious ways.

[StingingVelvet]

I'm not a hardcore Star Wars guy but I always assumed she was talking about her adopted mom we see in Revenge of the Sith and just didn't know it wasn't her real mom.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I'm not a hardcore Star Wars guy but I always assumed she was talking about her adopted mom we see in Revenge of the Sith and just didn't know it wasn't her real mom.

I was always under the impression that she knew she was adopted.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I'm not a hardcore Star Wars guy but I always assumed she was talking about her adopted mom we see in Revenge of the Sith and just didn't know it wasn't her real mom.

Yeah, but Luke actually says "do you have any memories of your mother...your real mother?", so it must've been common knowledge in the wider galactic sense that she was adopted. I guess even in a galaxy far, far away a Royal birth isn't something that can easily be feigned, i.e. the baby basically appeared out of nowhere so I guess Bail Organa announced the adoption immediately.

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

I'd still like to know how the hell Leia can remember Padmé. The woman died in childbirth!

That inconsistency could have easily been fixed if Lucas had cut out the bit when Luke talks to Leia about her mother. Have the scene start where Leia asks Luke what's troubling him.

Or they could have just written better prequels.

[Class316]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

I'd still like to know how the hell Leia can remember Padmé. The woman died in childbirth!

That inconsistency could have easily been fixed if Lucas had cut out the bit when Luke talks to Leia about her mother. Have the scene start where Leia asks Luke what's troubling him.

Read the lines again. She said she remembers "images" and "feelings".

Remember she is force sensitive.

Leia, do you remember
your mother...
your real mother?

Just a little bit.
She died when
I was very young.

What do you remember?

Just images, really. Feelings.

Tell me.

She was...
very beautiful.
Kind... but sad.

In a world where the force exists why is it unbelievable for her to get images and feelings through the womb? Remember she was sad because Anakin was always off to war while she was pregnant.

There are screw ups in continuity, but this isn't one of them.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yeah, but Luke actually says "do you have any memories of your mother...your real mother?", so it must've been common knowledge in the wider galactic sense that she was adopted. I guess even in a galaxy far, far away a Royal birth isn't something that can easily be feigned, i.e. the baby basically appeared out of nowhere so I guess Bail Organa announced the adoption immediately.

Yeah I remembered that line but I thought she just had a second adopted mother after that, and thought of her first one as her real mom. That's probably silly though, I like you guys' explanation better and will adjust my Star Wars head-canon appropriately.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Class316

Read the lines again. She said she remembers "images" and "feelings".

Remember she is force sensitive.

In a world where the force exists why is it unbelievable for her to get images and feelings through the womb? Remember she was sad because Anakin was always off to war while she was pregnant.

There are screw ups in continuity, but this isn't one of them.

Yep, all true enough but the obvious question is why, if they shared that womb, does Luke not remember any of that junk? If we're going all head-canony then I suppose it could be rationalised with Leia being more of a Force sensitive on the emotional side of things whilst Luke is more about a physical manifestation of his powers (which is also a VERY handy get-out for old Leia not dropping any fancy lightsaber moves in the sequel trilogy).

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Yeah I remembered that line but I thought she just had a second adopted mother after that, and thought of her first one as her real mom. That's probably silly though, I like you guys' explanation better and will adjust my Star Wars head-canon appropriately.

No adopted mom is more obvious. That is why Luke asks about her mom...not "their" mom. He knew she was his sister so why would he ask about real mom knowing the circumstances which I believe he did and were not told about it (as in filmed). I believe he knew about separated at birth thing and was not asking about biological mom.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

(which is also a VERY handy get-out for old Leia not dropping any fancy lightsaber moves in the sequel trilogy).

There's still time. The ST isn't over yet.

[bobbyh64]

I can't believe there are people who want changes made to the OT so that the PT makes more sense. If changes must be made, they should be made to the PT because they are worse films.