Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[hanshotfirst1138]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

The technology didn’t exist back then to have Greedo shoot. That’s why Lucas waited all those years.

That’s what he claims, anyway.

[michaelhazin]

Originally Posted by koberulz

How exactly do you suggest that technology limited who shot first?

Han never shot first. In the original Han shot only. Greedo never shoots at all.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by koberulz

The two stories I've always heard about Jaws are:
1. The shark looked awful in tests so they had to avoid showing it too much.
2. Spielberg refused to sign on to do the film unless they didn't show the shark until the final act.

They can't both be true, but I hear them both roughly equally.

Richard Zanuck, one of the producers, said just about every usable footage they could get of the shark is in the film. They tested it in a fresh water tank and everything worked fine. Taking it into the ocean was where the problems surfaced. The hydraulics and mechanics in the shark continuously malfunctioned prolonging the shoot even further. I don’t buy the idea they didn’t show it much because it looked awful partly because they had wanted to partly show it in the opening scene which is a scene that takes place at night so the shark wouldn’t have been seen much anyway. Also I’ve heard Spielberg speak of the making of the film on many instances in terms that I think contradict the notion he refused to do the film unless the shark was shown later.

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

The technology didn’t exist back then to have Greedo shoot. That’s why Lucas waited all those years.

I find it a stretch even for Lucas that he waited 20 years specifically to change one scene. Or are you being sarcastic??

[Caseyscott]

Originally Posted by michaelhazin

Han never shot first. In the original Han shot only. Greedo never shoots at all.

When comparing an ordered alternate sequence of events it is logically consistent to use a sequential delineation because one action assumes the other. If someone wants to defend the change the best argument can’t be that Lucas intended that all along, or was restricted by technology. I suppose it’s possible he wanted it that way but was pressured out of it by collaborators. Has he spoken of the reasons motivating that change?

[JEDGAR1000]

Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn

The technology didn't even exist to have Greedo match Greedo.

Huh, never somehow caught that before. The clothes are even off. That's going to kinda bug me now.

(Thanks for posting though, pretty interesting)

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by Caseyscott

Has he spoken of the reasons motivating that change?

Yes but with different explanations. Originally he said it was to make Han look less like a cold blooded killer. Then he changed it to that Greedo always shot first and it only seemed the other way around because it was all done in closeups. The script debunks this story though. Then the last time I can recall him speaking about it was 3-4 years ago where he said he wanted to make Han a ‘John Wayne type’, the kinda guy who waits for the other person to fire or something.

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by michaelhazin

Han never shot first. In the original Han shot only. Greedo never shoots at all.

The only reason Greedo didn't shoot was that he was interrupted by dying, so it's still correct to say Han shot first.

[stvn1974]

With those fingers I don't see how Greedo could even hold the blaster let alone pull the trigger.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

I find it a stretch even for Lucas that he waited 20 years specifically to change one scene. Or are you being sarcastic??

Yes. For the record my last two posts were 100% sarcastic.

[stvn1974]

I wonder if Lucas bought the blu-ray releases of the four Disney Star Wars films and changed them out of habit?

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

He wanted to wait because he prefers the CGI head move over a natural head move. It fits the story better. Another reason he waited is because he wasn’t sure how much time he wanted there to be between Greedo’s and Han’s shots. He wanted to be able to experiment with that and see what the public reaction would be, which is why every updated release of the special editions has a different length of time between the two shots.

Fun fact, the movie won the Oscar for Best Editing. Clearly the length of time between shots was fine as-is. I find Lucas' second-guessing of himself so baffling. It'd be like Scorsese going back repeatedly and fudging with the edit of the "What do you mean I'm funny?" scene in Goodfellas.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I wonder if Lucas bought the blu-ray releases of the four Disney Star Wars films and changed them out of habit?

That would be ironic. The creator of Star Wars making fan edits to films he doesn’t own anymore.

[bobbyh64]

Lucas always planned for Greedo to shoot before Han in order to hint that Han was strong with the force, which would be demonstrated by his lightning-fast Force Head Jerk. It was during this time that Lucas had the idea for Obi-Wan and Quigon to Force sprint at the beginning of TPM. This would tie in nicely with the Han Greedo scene. It’s like poetry. It rhymes. Since the technology wasn’t available yet to show the Force Head Jerk, he decided to save some time during shooting and that he’d tinker with it years later.

[Falaskan]

I hope Han is featured as a force ghost in Ep IX. In it he'll say: "Of course I was force sensitive, how do you think I dodged Greedo's blaster!?"

I don't think I'd stop laughing for a week.

[bobbyh64]

I hope Ep. IX makes me like TLJ more. I go back and forth on that movie. It’s like a weird alternate timeline (like the alternate 1985 in Back to the Future Part 2) starring Bizarro Luke Skywalker.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

I hope Ep. IX makes me like TLJ more. I go back and forth on that movie. It’s like a weird alternate timeline (like the alternate 1985 in Back to the Future Part 2) starring Bizarro Luke Skywalker.

A bunch of people here said "what for episode 8 to judge episode seven better. Look how well that turned out!
I hated seven since the night I saw it. I hated eight since the night I saw it.
I can't wait to hate nine as well.

[rickah88]

I’ve enjoyed all the Star Wars films. Please keep them coming.

[Promo_Cop]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

Yes but with different explanations. Originally he said it was to make Han look less like a cold blooded killer. Then he changed it to that Greedo always shot first and it only seemed the other way around because it was all done in closeups. The script debunks this story though. Then the last time I can recall him speaking about it was 3-4 years ago where he said he wanted to make Han a ‘John Wayne type’, the kinda guy who waits for the other person to fire or something.

OMG, I can't believe you people are still talking about this

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

A bunch of people here said "what for episode 8 to judge episode seven better. Look how well that turned out!
I hated seven since the night I saw it. I hated eight since the night I saw it.
I can't wait to hate nine as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j5v...ature=youtu.be

Originally Posted by Promo_Cop

OMG, I can't believe you people are still talking about this

I know, right?

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by Promo_Cop

OMG, I can't believe you people are still talking about this

Unnecessary response. I was just simply responding to someone’s question.