Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by sfmarine

They better look exceptional on Blu-ray!

Oh they will. As long as the lightsabers in ep 4-6 are fixed I will be happy and I think they will be.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by skylog

i hope i am not making myself a target in this thread, as i see how it gets from time to time, but i agree (sith is on now). i like ALL of the movies. tartakovsky's clone wars. the new clone wars. pretty much everything. yes, there are good parts AND bad parts, but they are in all of them.

that said, it is funny, that very line is a line a bunch of us at work say all the time, to totally mock and make fun of hayden and his whinin...err, acting. it is great that everyone can get something, even something completely different, from these stories. good stuff

That is funny. One of my employees who has been with me for years is a SW fan also, and he'll almost always mock Luke's "But I was going to Tosche Station to pick up some power converters" line when I added a stop on his route. That one and Luke's "All right, I'll try" from ESB in his best whiney voice. Good stuff indeed.

[skylog]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

That is funny. One of my employees who has been with me for years is a SW fan also, and he'll almost always mock Luke's "But I was going to Tosche Station to pick up some power converters" line when I added a stop on his route. That one and Luke's "All right, I'll try" from ESB in his best whiney voice. Good stuff indeed.

haha, yes, we toss quite a few of them around as well. luke certainly has quite a few. "But it's not impossible. I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home, and they're not much bigger than two meters" is quite popular in some form, as well as part of the classic han quote, "(sub the task we are talking about) ain't like dusting crops, boy."

can't wait until these are finally out.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by skylog

haha, yes, we toss quite a few of them around as well. luke certainly has quite a few. "But it's not impossible. I used to bull's-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home, and they're not much bigger than two meters" is quite popular in some form, as well as part of the classic han quote, "(sub the task we are talking about) ain't like dusting crops, boy."

can't wait until these are finally out.

Yes indeed looking forward to the blu-ray release of all 6 star wars films in fall of 2011.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Watching the films on spike tv in hd has me excited to see what kind of quality the blu-ray's will look like and they will be much better on blu-ray of course.

Was there much background noise in AOTC or ROTS?

Does anyone remember if there was when they were in theaters?

I really hope they'll look exceptional too.

They are by far my very favorite movies, and I simply cannot bring myself to watch the DVDs anymore.

I popped in TPM again to, but it's so soft, full of EE, and grainy-noisy that I had to turn it off again. Popped in AOTC, and it's just too soft.

BD is the only thing that's allowed to be screened on my Kuro.

DVD is dead for me, and I can't wait to experience the Saga in Blu!!!!!!!!

Sound is going to be fantastic of the PT, that's a given.
There are incredible standout moments in each Episode.
Actually there are too many to count.
John Williams' genius scores will be an extraordinary experience to listen to in lossless Audio!!!!!

I wonder how much of TPM DVD PQ is grain and how much just noise, and if they are going to use DNR to decrease the grain in case there is too much!?!?

AOTC and ROTS should look immaculate. However, I read somewhere that George Lucas had them blow up a full HD image (AOTC) by 200% or so at times to compose a new shot. If this is true, how could it possibly look good????

Also, if they are replacing Yoda in TPM with the CG model of ROTS, then they certainly need to replace AOTC's Yoda with the ROTS model as well.
Yoda in AOTC was OK for the time, but the version in ROTS is leaps and bounds better, so I'd love them to go for it.
They'd only have to re-render the skin and clothing paths anyway, right?

What are your thoughts?

PQ/AQ/changes???

[JoshKelhoffer]

Every time I hear the Tosche Station line anymore, I can't help but think of the Robot Chicken Star Wars episode, where the "power converters" were actually exotic dancers

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

What are your thoughts?

PQ/AQ/changes???

Episodes 1-3: As long as Clones ends up looking as great as Sith, I'll be happy.
Episodes 4-6: As long as Lucasfilm fixes things beyond the superficial, I'll be fine.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Was there much background noise in AOTC or ROTS?

Does anyone remember if there was when they were in theaters?

I really hope they'll look exceptional too.

They are by far my very favorite movies, and I simply cannot bring myself to watch the DVDs anymore.

I popped in TPM again to, but it's so soft, full of EE, and grainy-noisy that I had to turn it off again. Popped in AOTC, and it's just too soft.

BD is the only thing that's allowed to be screened on my Kuro.

DVD is dead for me, and I can't wait to experience the Saga in Blu!!!!!!!!

Sound is going to be fantastic of the PT, that's a given.
There are incredible standout moments in each Episode.
Actually there are too many to count.
John Williams' genius scores will be an extraordinary experience to listen to in lossless Audio!!!!!

I wonder how much of TPM DVD PQ is grain and how much just noise, and if they are going to use DNR to decrease the grain in case there is too much!?!?

AOTC and ROTS should look immaculate. However, I read somewhere that George Lucas had them blow up a full HD image (AOTC) by 200% or so at times to compose a new shot. If this is true, how could it possibly look good????

Also, if they are replacing Yoda in TPM with the CG model of ROTS, then they certainly need to replace AOTC's Yoda with the ROTS model as well.
Yoda in AOTC was OK for the time, but the version in ROTS is leaps and bounds better, so I'd love them to go for it.
They'd only have to re-render the skin and clothing paths anyway, right?

What are your thoughts?

PQ/AQ/changes???

Well we know their is going to be a new transfer of episode 1 TPM because they are putting in a new digital yoda. Episode's 2 and 3 Clone and Sith where shot on digital film so we know the picture quality we be great on those films. Now the original trilogy will problely have the speical edition releases on them but that tricky because the when the films where made back in the late 70's and early 80's they where shot on film not digital like the new films where shot on at least the last 2. Sound wise the prequel films had good sound design and the original trilogy had good sound design as well as long as the sound issues that where on the episode 4 dvd are addressed on the blu ray I think they will be no worries there. Ether way I think both the picture and sound on the blu-ray release of all 6 star wars films will be good. I like blu-ray and I watch a lot of blu-ray discs except for the star wars , indy films and e.t and superman I don't watch dvd hardly anymore.

[JoshKelhoffer]

I'm curious about what they are going to do feature wise. With all six films in one place, will it be the set we are hoping for?

Personally, I would love to have something along the lines of the Alien set, just without the impractical packaging- it's a good thing that the only problem I've had with Star Wars packaging over the years is the harmless and horrible photoshop covers.

I'm hoping for some new documentaries on there, with more attention given to the sequels and prequels than before. Given the retrospect, I think it's time to have a documentary, ala Blade Runner's Dangerous Days and Alien's docs, that so in depth and informative, that they even have the kahunas to mention even the toughest of times, not just "we almost didn't get to film this" but the tensions. I also wouldn't mind seeing more time spent on the story developments and script formations.

Deleted scenes for the original trilogy would be cool. But given the lightsaber scene revealed earlier in the year, it looks like we might get at least a couple, if not more. Empire of Dreams had a couple of small portions of deleted material, and a CD-ROM from the early 90s had the early Tattoine scenes with Biggs, the alternate Cantina scene, and a couple of alternate scenes, where shots and material was flipped and returned to their originally intended spot. For example, the shot where C-3P0 is covered wires and says "R2, this is all your fault!" was to appear in a different scene entirely.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by JoshKelhoffer

I'm curious about what they are going to do feature wise. With all six films in one place, will it be the set we are hoping for?

Personally, I would love to have something along the lines of the Alien set, just without the impractical packaging- it's a good thing that the only problem I've had with Star Wars packaging over the years is the harmless and horrible photoshop covers.

I'm hoping for some new documentaries on there, with more attention given to the sequels and prequels than before. Given the retrospect, I think it's time to have a documentary, ala Blade Runner's Dangerous Days and Alien's docs, that so in depth and informative, that they even have the kahunas to mention even the toughest of times, not just "we almost didn't get to film this" but the tensions. I also wouldn't mind seeing more time spent on the story developments and script formations.

Deleted scenes for the original trilogy would be cool. But given the lightsaber scene revealed earlier in the year, it looks like we might get at least a couple, if not more. Empire of Dreams had a couple of small portions of deleted material, and a CD-ROM from the early 90s had the early Tattoine scenes with Biggs, the alternate Cantina scene, and a couple of alternate scenes, where shots and material was flipped and returned to their originally intended spot. For example, the shot where C-3P0 is covered wires and says "R2, this is all your fault!" was to appear in a different scene entirely.

Well so far from fan sites I've readed the extras from the 2004 dvd set will be in the set as well as new documentary's and deleted scenes from all 6 films as well as trailers and tv spots from all the films. However until we get a full press release from LFL we won't know what will be in the set as far as extras go. Also I hope their is a new documentary on how the sounds for all 6 films where created.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Well we know their is going to be a new transfer of episode 1 TPM because they are putting in a new digital yoda. Episode's 2 and 3 Clone and Sith where shot on digital film so we know the picture quality we be great on those films. Now the original trilogy will problely have the speical edition releases on them but that tricky because the when the films where made back in the late 70's and early 80's they where shot on film not digital like the new films where shot on at least the last 2. Sound wise the prequel films had good sound design and the original trilogy had good sound design as well as long as the sound issues that where on the episode 4 dvd are addressed on the blu ray I think they will be no worries there. Ether way I think both the picture and sound on the blu-ray release of all 6 star wars films will be good. I like blu-ray and I watch a lot of blu-ray discs except for the star wars , indy films and e.t and superman I don't watch dvd hardly anymore.

The problem with AOTC and ROTS is that Lucas used at the time a new digital fim stock that had only a 2K resolution instead of the typical 4K that 35mm has. I read this in an interview with Lowry Digital, and they were discussing the fact that the OT had the potential to look crisper than the PT do to this misstep in judgment. AOTC and ROTS will look good, but will not be the top tier digital transfers. And if 4K ever becomes standard in homes I don't know what Lucas will do. He was told to go with film, but he insisted on 2K digital cause it was cutting edge. This isn't a knock against Lucas, either. I just wish he hadn't done this.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Cook

The problem with AOTC and ROTS is that Lucas used at the time a new digital fim stock that had only a 2K resolution instead of the typical 4K that 35mm has. I read this in an interview with Lowry Digital, and they were discussing the fact that the OT had the potential to look crisper than the PT do to this misstep in judgment. AOTC and ROTS will look good, but will not be the top tier digital transfers. And if 4K ever becomes standard in homes I don't know what Lucas will do. He was told to go with film, but he insisted on 2K digital cause it was cutting edge. This isn't a knock against Lucas, either. I just wish he hadn't done this.

I agree no matter how you look at it the blu-rays of the star wars films will look good. We know the sound has been updated for the hd release and the picture has been updated for the hd release because the film pirnts have been scaned above hd resolution for all 6 films back when the dvd's came out and lucasfilm will fix stuff on the ot SE's like the messed up lightsabers and the sound mix for episode 4 a new hope. Sorry if I sad this allready.

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by Cook

The problem with AOTC and ROTS is that Lucas used at the time a new digital fim stock that had only a 2K resolution instead of the typical 4K that 35mm has. I read this in an interview with Lowry Digital, and they were discussing the fact that the OT had the potential to look crisper than the PT do to this misstep in judgment. AOTC and ROTS will look good, but will not be the top tier digital transfers. And if 4K ever becomes standard in homes I don't know what Lucas will do. He was told to go with film, but he insisted on 2K digital cause it was cutting edge. This isn't a knock against Lucas, either. I just wish he hadn't done this.

Sorry mate.....but you are wrong when you say that 35 mm is 4k.
In fact chances are that the 35mm "release" prints of star wars in 1977 were nothing more than roughly the equivalent of 700 lpph(lines per picture height).
Barely 200 lines above the resolution of a standard DVD and well below the 1080 of a blu ray disc.

Lucasfilm technical director Mike Blanchard says, "Almost all of the resolution that’s lost is through the printing process. It’s really funny about technology and the film business right now. People get caught up in these numbers games that are flat-out ridiculous. They say, ‘Film is 4k,’ but it’s not 4k. It’s 4k on the camera negative, but no one has ever seen a camera negative projected. Countless studies have shown that what is shown in U.S. theaters [via the interpositive/internegative photochemical printing process] is between 700 and 800 lines of resolution when you get to the release print. We get that easily.

http://mixonline.com/sound4picture/f...ars_episode_2/

[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

Sorry mate.....but you are wrong when you say that 35 mm is 4k.
In fact chances are that the 35mm "release" prints of star wars in 1977 were nothing more than roughly the equivalent of 700 lpph(lines per picture height).
Barely 200 lines above the resolution of a standard DVD and well below the 1080 of a blu ray disc.

Lucasfilm technical director Mike Blanchard says, "Almost all of the resolution that’s lost is through the printing process. It’s really funny about technology and the film business right now. People get caught up in these numbers games that are flat-out ridiculous. They say, ‘Film is 4k,’ but it’s not 4k. It’s 4k on the camera negative, but no one has ever seen a camera negative projected. Countless studies have shown that what is shown in U.S. theaters [via the interpositive/internegative photochemical printing process] is between 700 and 800 lines of resolution when you get to the release print. We get that easily.

http://mixonline.com/sound4picture/f...ars_episode_2/

I for one am not overly worried that the OT will look less than spectacular.Saw the SE in cinemas in the late 90's and they looked amazing.Especially flying over the deathstar in the first.Whatever resolution there is in the negative,they'll find ways to extract

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by kenkraly2004

Oh they will. As long as the lightsabers in ep 4-6 are fixed I will be happy and I think they will be.

Well, in order to get the lightsabre fixes I believe that means you'll be getting all the changes and updates in EPs 4-6. IMO, thats an OK thing overall. YMMV.

[TheOneWithThePrize]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

Sorry mate.....but you are wrong when you say that 35 mm is 4k.
In fact chances are that the 35mm "release" prints of star wars in 1977 were nothing more than roughly the equivalent of 700 lpph(lines per picture height).
Barely 200 lines above the resolution of a standard DVD and well below the 1080 of a blu ray disc.

Lucasfilm technical director Mike Blanchard says, "Almost all of the resolution that’s lost is through the printing process. It’s really funny about technology and the film business right now. People get caught up in these numbers games that are flat-out ridiculous. They say, ‘Film is 4k,’ but it’s not 4k. It’s 4k on the camera negative, but no one has ever seen a camera negative projected. Countless studies have shown that what is shown in U.S. theaters [via the interpositive/internegative photochemical printing process] is between 700 and 800 lines of resolution when you get to the release print. We get that easily.

http://mixonline.com/sound4picture/f...ars_episode_2/

All well and true but who the hell do you think scans a release print for a blu-ray release unless that is the only option available...

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by TheOneWithThePrize

All well and true but who the hell do you think scans a release print for a blu-ray release unless that is the only option available...

No one!

Which is the point.

The 2011 presentation of Star wars on blu ray will look superior to whatever was seen on cinema screens in 1977.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by skylog

that said, it is funny, that very line is a line a bunch of us at work say all the time, to totally mock and make fun of hayden and his whinin...err, acting.

Hayden's performance doesn't bother me in this regard. People criticize the films saying things like, "how could that spoiled brat grow up to be Darth Vader?" But that's exactly the kind of kid - egotistical, thinks he's smarter than everyone else, paranoid, wiling to break the rules, etc., - that would grow up to be an evil killer. In fact, that's the description of most serial killers (and corporate senior executives).

My problem with the whole series stems more from the fact that Vader's motivations in Episodes IV - VI are never really examined. The building of the Death Stars seems like an awful lot of trouble for rulers who already have achieved power over the "galaxy" to fight what is described as a small band of rebels. And there are tons of other logical errors, but those have been discussed ad nauseum.

Where I think the films fail is that they never explain how that cute and highly intelligent little boy becomes that troubled young man because they skip over those years. In addition, I have a lot more trouble with Natalie Portman's line readings, even though in general I think she's usually a good actress. When she says, "Oh Ani, I don't even know who you are anymore", it seems like a Saturday Night Live routine. Everyone in the theatre burst out laughing when she said that.

[treyp1]

Sorry, I own 2 VHS versions, 2 laserdisc versions, the DVD set.... no chance I'm touching the Blu Ray. My madness has to stop somewhere.

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

No one!

Which is the point.

The 2011 presentation of Star wars on blu ray will look superior to whatever was seen on cinema screens in 1977.

I agree with that well said. And the blu-ray's will look better than what was on dvd , vhs , laserdisc and those hd broadcast that was on spike tv in hd.