Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

And I suppose the flip-side of that is that all the 5's are slavering fanboys who worship George Lucas trying to deflect the tizzies from the other group of fanboys.

Or does this only work one way?

It's Amazon.Com. Reviews are pointless coming from there. Since there's no standards or requirements.

It's especially telling that the reviews for the individual OT and PT sets show very different results.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

Uh, no. It doesn't make any sense. Leia was about a minute old when her mother died and remembers her being "very beautiful, kind, but sad"? How the hell can she remember that from right after being born? And if she's so powerful in the Force that those images come to her, then why does her twin brother who's far more skilled in his Force abilities "have no memory of [his] mother" as he says in ROTJ?

IIRC, baby Luke never opens his eyes in Ep3 while baby Leia's eyes are open. Does that matter?

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Sure he had the final say, but you're diminishing the amount a director brings to the picture.

Not at all; I'm simply pointing out that unlike common practices, where directors are employed by a studio, Kershner and Marquand were directly hired by Lucas, essentially being his "eyes and ears", while all the stuff at Lucasfilm and ILM was being done.

Watching ANH and ESB back-to-back hammers this point home. It's the actual died-in-the-wool directorial elements that make the narrative flow so well and be so powerful in this one.

What do you mean by this? I'm not familiar with it.

The script is better than the other two, but Kershner does a fantastic job on Empire.

Agreed on both counts; I'm not disputing either one. However, one valid question is "why was the script better?", and I think its largely because the origin story had already been told, so "Empire" had far less baggage going in.

Look at the documented argument that Kershner had to make to change "I love you, too" to "I know", one of the most badass quips in movie history. Something that in 2 words defines Han as a character more than almost anything else in the series. It's those kinds of subtle nuances that Kershner had an eye for, and it's why Empire is good enough to transcend the SW saga and the sci-fi genre as a whole.

Actually, the line was mostly Harrison Ford's idea, since Kersh's main comment was "don't think about it; shoot!" I personally think either one would have worked, but I did like the scene in "Jedi" where their exchange was reversed; it was a great homage.

[Riddler95]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I can't believe that many of you seem to be ok with the transfer of TPM!

I have watched it 2 and a half times already, and I KNOW that there are details the transfer isn't showing me, due to the heavy DNR.

Just look at the shots of the Podrace announcers, the shot where the woman in white makeup is overlooking the podrace, and one of the podrace crowd shots towards the end, and you can clearly see what level of clarity and detail we could have been in for!!!!!!!!!

I say let's create an online petition to demand a remaster of TPM!!!!

I am confident that TPM could look at least as gorgeous as the remastered Gladiator BD.

Who is in?????

We must do something about this!

They could just send us a replacement disc for that particular movie.


Sure, TPM has never looked better on home video, but it could look so much better!!!!!!

If you are a BD enthusiast, and cannot see the problems with this transfer, may I kindly suggest.....

Even though I don't care about the Prequels I did read that the transfers for all six films are a major improvement over the DVD Versions, you apparently don't need to do an A/B comparison to see the difference. But I did read that the new HD Transfers are not perfect. I haven't bought The Complete Saga set yet, I don't know if I will.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by 22soultaker

Something that made me laugh. Last night i watched ANH after watching the PT trilogy a couple times, i noticed Obi Wan ages like Charlie Sheen. How old was he in EPS 3?

Ever seen people who have lived in the harsh desert before? To quote Jar Jar: "The suns doin' murder to meesa skin."

Maybe Obi-Wan should have packed a 20 year supply of moisturizer to keep himself looking young.

As for ages... Obi-Wan: TPM - 25, AotC - 35, RotS - 38, ANH - 57. - Alec Guiness while filming ANH: 62.

[shesha]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

There are way too many continuity errors with the Force in general.

In Empire, Luke is simply "too old to begin training", but Yoda does it anyway. In TPM, he says the same thing about Anakin, who is what, 8 years old? So I'd guess early 20's would be WAY too old, but Yoda kinda brushes it aside with one assurance from Ben.

Sometimes Vader can feel Luke from planets away, other times he can't detect the Millennium Falcon stuck to the hull of his ship. Sometimes Yoda can see far into the future, other times he can't sniff out a Sith Lord who he spends time with on a day-to-day basis. Sometimes they can run with super-speed, other times they get tired. Sometimes they can shoot up and jump 40 feet out of a hole, other times they get stuck in a rancor pit.

I'm not saying it's right, but there is simply too much inconsistency in the Force mythology to really dissect it too much.

I agree, a bit more of a montage (Montaaaaage!) showing his progression could have added some gravity to the force (pun intended).

The shroud of the darkside can be difficult to see through. On the flip side being in touch with your darkside can sometimes fog your feelings, therefore you may miss crucial things, or mistake your feelings for what they are not.

Got it?

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I think everyone as mention time and again Amazon reviews have no meaning...that means from 5 stars to 1 stars

I see losers in there rate 5 stars because Jackie Chan is their god and others rate a 1 stars cause they find him silly. Never mind not one person is talking about the movie as it should be reviewed. Amazon reviews are worthless to the point of wondering why they are even there.

I really don't see their point in allowing reviews from users who didn't purchase through them. To say nothing of the 'reviews' that predate the release.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Agreed on both counts; I'm not disputing either one. However, one valid question is "why was the script better?", and I think its largely because the origin story had already been told, so "Empire" had far less baggage going in.

TESB also has the privilege of not having to resolve anything, either. It's just about "stuff happening." It's the Seinfeld of the Star Wars Saga.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Sure he had the final say, but you're diminishing the amount a director brings to the picture. Watching ANH and ESB back-to-back hammers this point home. It's the actual died-in-the-wool directorial elements that make the narrative flow so well and be so powerful in this one. The script is better than the other two, but Kershner does a fantastic job on Empire.

Look at the documented argument that Kershner had to make to change "I love you, too" to "I know", one of the most badass quips in movie history. Something that in 2 words defines Han as a character more than almost anything else in the series. It's those kinds of subtle nuances that Kershner had an eye for, and it's why Empire is good enough to transcend the SW saga and the sci-fi genre as a whole.

Certainly, Empire was well-directed and the "I know" issue is testament to this. Nevertheless, it WAS a collaboration. The opportunity for Han Solo to say "I know" and the character himself was provided by Lucas. Han Solo certainly worked well enough the first time around. I'm not saying you're discrediting Lucas and I agree that he's certainly made his share of choices I don't necessarily agree with... but credit where credit is due, you know?

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Star Wars, written and directed by the team of Sartre/Kierkegaard/Tzu/Tao/Jung/Freud/Aristotle!

No, written by George Lucas - a scholar of Joseph Campbell who derived his concepts from world-mythology, antropology and the works of C.G. Jung!

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by 22soultaker

Something that made me laugh. Last night i watched ANH after watching the PT trilogy a couple times, i noticed Obi Wan ages like Charlie Sheen. How old was he in EPS 3?

I think the character was supposed to be around 35 or so in "Sith", while Ewan McGregor was 32 when filming was being done.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Beast

Ever seen people who have lived in the harsh desert before? To quote Jar Jar: "The suns doin' murder to meesa skin."

Maybe Obi-Wan should have packed a 20 year supply of moisturizer to keep himself looking young.

Ha, so they don't have moisturizer on tatoonie but they did have google so Luke can look up what his Dad looked like when he was a young man? LMAO.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I think everyone as mention time and again Amazon reviews have no meaning...that means from 5 stars to 1 stars

I see losers in there rate 5 stars because Jackie Chan is their god and others rate a 1 stars cause they find him silly. Never mind not one person is talking about the movie as it should be reviewed. Amazon reviews are worthless to the point of wondering why they are even there.

I've actually seen many one star reviews on there because the shipment didn't arrive on the day it was supposed to, or because the case was damaged, or even because their blu-ray player quit working, and they couldn't watch the movie.

Yes, they are quite worthless.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by 22soultaker

Something that made me laugh. Last night i watched ANH after watching the PT trilogy a couple times, i noticed Obi Wan ages like Charlie Sheen. How old was he in EPS 3?

What abour Beru and Owen? They look like they're 20 in ROTS but look 75 in ANH.

While people try to explain it away by referencing the harsh sun of Tatooine (lol), it's one of the major inconsistencies that actually catches my attention (along with Padme getting it on with a dude 15 years younger than her). I'm no screenwriter, but I think George could've done wonders by making the characters older by ROTS.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Ha, so they don't have moisturizer on tatoonie but they did have google so Luke can look up what his Dad looked like when he was a young man?

You obviously got confused over which one would make runs into Tosche station to get some power converters and waist time with his friends and which was the crazy old wizard hermit.

[cmaeditor]

Originally Posted by 22soultaker

Something that made me laugh. Last night i watched ANH after watching the PT trilogy a couple times, i noticed Obi Wan ages like Charlie Sheen. How old was he in EPS 3?

If we assume he's supposed to be about 20 in Ep 1, that makes him 30 in Ep 2, since it's said to be 10 years later. We don't know how much time has passed between Ep 2 and 3, but I would guess atleast a year, so 31. In Ep 4 Luke is about 18 or 19, so he would be about 50 in Ep 4.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I've actually seen many one star reviews on there because the shipment didn't arrive on the day it was supposed to, or because the case was damaged, or even because their blu-ray player quit working, and they couldn't watch the movie.

Yes, they are quite worthless.

Not to go off topic here but if you guys want to have fun, check and read the reviews of books on Amazon. Some are work of arts that make the movie reviews look like they were done by cinema scholars

Alright, now back to arguing about Star Wars

[jwoodwar]

Just got the set today. Had to get enough money to buy it!!! But I put in The Phantom Menace and I think the Picture is amazing!!! Sound is crazy good!!! Love the set already!!!

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Chordata

What abour Beru and Owen? They look like they're 20 in ROTS but look 75 in ANH.

While people try to explain it away by referencing the harsh sun of Tatooine (lol), it's one of the major inconsistencies that actually catches my attention (along with Padme getting it on with a dude 15 years younger than her). I'm no screenwriter, but I think George could've done wonders by making the characters older by ROTS.

As far as I know, Padme was only 6 years older than Anakin.
8 and 14
18 and 24
21 and 27
Oh and I find it odd that if the Emperor could foresee the events of IV-VI, he wouldn't foresee the destruction of the first Death Star.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Adam_ME

Uh, no. It doesn't make any sense. Leia was about a minute old when her mother died and remembers her being "very beautiful, kind, but sad"? How the hell can she remember that from right after being born? And if she's so powerful in the Force that those images come to her, then why does her twin brother who's far more skilled in his Force abilities "have no memory of [his] mother" as he says in ROTJ?

The problem is that the original novelization of ROTJ if I recall had Padme(who was nameless at the time) in hiding for a few years after the twins were born before she actually died. That's why Leia had real memories when Luke asked about her. Lucas just decided to retcon it in order to apparently tie up as many loose ends as possible in Episode III and ended up creating a massive plothole instead.

Uh, yes. It makes sense. You're asking how does she "remember" her mother after I just said it's possible that Leia is misinterpreting her images as memories. Hence, they aren't actual memories but images she has seen through the Force. Who said one has to be "so powerful" to see images through the Force? And who said all those with the ability to use the Force are equal in their abilities? And who said Leia isn't more powerful than Luke with the Force? She just hasn't had any training to hone her skill the way Luke has.

And since when is the novelization canon?