Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[BDrischBDemented]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

The timeline for the OT is kinda sketchy, but I think I once read that "Empire" and "Jedi" were separated by a gap of 5 years.

Mmm, no. It's like one year. Han wasn't missing for five years while stuck in carbonite. The Star Wars timeline sets the Battle of Yavin at 0 with TESB at 3 years later and ROTJ at one year after that. It could even be less assuming the third year was nearly over and the fourth just beginning in "Jedi."

[Scorxpion]

Originally Posted by fdm

Firmware is up to date, the problem with disc 2 I read about prior to watching and sure enough. The problem with disc 3 I hadn't read about (yet?), so was wondering if it was just my copy.

Ok once I have my discs will inform you,But i do have also PS3 i am not worried

[LetoAtreides82]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

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I have to disagree with you there.

Are you saying that part of the Obi-Wan vs Anakin duel was slow? How so? It lasts for like a second and with the sabers in motion they can counter an attack quicker.

To me the Luke vs Vader duels doesn't come close to looking as cool as any of the lightsaber duels in the PT.

[Troy73]

Originally Posted by MCT

yeah even Yoda says you aren't strong enough to face Palpatine towards the end. He couldn't even get a hit in on Grandpa Dooku. Palpatine would have slaughtered him.

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Anakin should've slaughted him too, I don't care if Obi-Wan practiced with the kid or not, that shouldn't have closed the gap so much between their talent levels.

Something that should come into consideration is all the prevailing good victories came when they used anger. Obi-Wan used anger to defeat Darth Maul. Anakin used anger to defeat Dooku. Obi-Wan used anger to defeat Anakin (you better believe he was pissed that Anakin just slaughtered all those jedi and children). Luke used anger to defeat Vader. Vader used anger to defeat the Emperor. Anger sparked the darkside in all of them and they used it to their advantage. Even if they came to their senses afterward anger was still what triggered the rage and aggression that led to all their victories.

[Colonel Kurtz]

Originally Posted by MCT

speaking of ROTS, and the walkway scene...

how in THEE HELL did Obi Wan ever recover from that?? He had a ton of metal just crash DIRECTLY onto his legs! I'm sorry but you can't use the lame "the Force healed" him excuse on this one. I never understood that part. There's a lot of stupid shit in the prequels but that one just sticks out like a sore thumb.

My thoughts exactly. Well, almost. I always thought that the walkway would have totally crushed his hipbone.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

That entire duel is just ridiculous. I fast forwarded most of ROTS because I just cannot stand the prequels. Obes and Kins floating around on little things over lava never catching fire, but as soon as Walks gets within a few feet of lava when his legs and arms become one with the Force it's a down home BBQ, Kenobi style.

When the Jedi attempt to arrest Palapatune and the way he lunges toward the Jedi and they stand there as he slices them = facepalm

Regarding your first point.. Anakin jumps on a droid which is shielded against the lava (the same shield which the complex had). Obi Wan is standing on a platform, can't remember if it was shielded, though it is plausible he didn't catch fire on there.

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

My point was that none of the films specify Obi-Wan's age, and Lucas has clearly stated that 20 years pass between Episodes III & IV. As for other characters, Anakin is described by Lucas as 9 in "Phantom Menace", which would make him 42 in "New Hope". The timeline for the OT is kinda sketchy, but I think I once read that "Empire" and "Jedi" were separated by a gap of 5 years. I don't know how long it was between the events of "New Hope" and "Empire", though.

The timeline :

Episode 1: 32 BBY (Before Battle of Yavin)
Episode 2: 22 BBY
Episode 3: 19 BBY
Episode IV: 0 BBY
Episode V: 3 ABY
Episode VI: 4 ABY

[scoobydoos]

Hello,

Is this version available in french? Because when I look at the site of amazon, they put the English version !
You put on your site:
English: DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1
Spanish: Dolby Digital 5.1
French: DTS 5.1
French: Dolby Digital 5.1

Thanks per advance

Best regard

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by MCT

the problem is Anakin's eyes said what a 12 year old boy who just had his 360 taken away by his parents would say...and his actual words were on the same level.

"YOU WILL NOT TAKE HER FROM ME!" *furrows brows like a pissed off 4th grader*

That's just it, to me.

The problem with judging acting is that a lot of people don't seem to know how to grade it. They just say "well, here he's supposed to be mad, and he's mad... he nailed it!"

It's just hard to argue about, because to me, I look at Ewan and Hayden in that final scene and there is a CHASM between their acting abiltiies. Hayden is just completely outmatched. It's not a debatable thing, to me, it doesn't depend how I look at it or grow on me over time or anything, it's not something I can explain, because it's just 2 performances on clearly different levels. To borrow from Peter Griffin, I'm just very aware that I'm watching a movie when Hayden is acting.

Then you compare Ewan, who I think is a splendid actor, to someone like Daniel Day-Lewis, and there's another tremendous gap. People really aren't giving the craft of acting enough credit by saying that Hayden was anything more than passable in ROTS.

Just me, though!

[Apinamakina]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

That entire duel is just ridiculous. I fast forwarded most of ROTS because I just cannot stand the prequels. Obes and Kins floating around on little things over lava never catching fire, but as soon as Walks gets within a few feet of lava when his legs and arms become one with the Force it's a down home BBQ, Kenobi style.

Well in that Mustafar duel, those platforms they are standing on has some kind on shields against the heat. You can see the blue light that indicates it.

And since we are now discussing duels, I say for my part, I honestly don't really like any duel in prequel trilogy. In the end, they just whack sabers at each other at very high speed accuracy, and there are no emotion in them.
When I first time watched Revenge of the Sith, I expected that Anakin's and Obi-Wan's duel would be very hard to watch because they were friends, but nah, it was just plain fast choreographied duel and I personally didn't sense any sadness or other emotion in their duel. And when I yesterday watched that duel in blu-ray, it was quite boring to watch. It doesn't feel any real because they don't get tired at all.

And even though Obi-Wan vs. Vader in New Hope looks slow and "boring", I would rather watch it, than any duel in prequels. Original trilogy's duels may not look as "exciting" and fast paced as prequels, but they have more emotion in them, and that what makes them more exciting and better for me.

[Alpha]

Originally Posted by MCT

Bad acting, it was.

We weren't talking about the OT, we were talking about III.

[sevb36]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

That's just it, to me.

The problem with judging acting is that a lot of people don't seem to know how to grade it. They just say "well, here he's supposed to be mad, and he's mad... he nailed it!"

It's just hard to argue about, because to me, I look at Ewan and Hayden in that final scene and there is a CHASM between their acting abiltiies. Hayden is just completely outmatched. It's not a debatable thing, to me, it doesn't depend how I look at it or grow on me over time or anything, it's not something I can explain, because it's just 2 performances on clearly different levels. To borrow from Peter Griffin, I'm just very aware that I'm watching a movie when Hayden is acting.

Then you compare Ewan, who I think is a splendid actor, to someone like Daniel Day-Lewis, and there's another tremendous gap. People really aren't giving the craft of acting enough credit by saying that Hayden was anything more than passable in ROTS.

Just me, though!

But who is the end-all-be-all of opinions on what is good acting and what is not? It's not an objective science, it's all subjective personal opinion.
Stealing a Palpatine line:
"Good" is a point of view.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by sevb36

But who is the end-all-be-all of opinions on what is good acting and what is not? It's not an objective science, it's all subjective personal opinion.
Stealing a Palpatine line:
"Good" is a point of view.

I appreciate intense portrayals like Pacino in Scarface or DiCaprio in Shutter Island - on the other hand I also like underacting like in "The Matrix" sequels, "Solaris" or "Unbreakable". One could imagine a DiCaprio-style portraial of Anakin - that would imo break the style of these movies. They are written in the grammar of Sci-Fi-Serials and the main-characters are jedi, who are much like samurai very economic in their emotional expression... I'm aware that this sounds apologetic to those who dislike the prequels but I'd say it boils down to if you like the character and how he is portrayed. And I like Anakin as well as Luke!

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

I appreciate intense portrayals like Pacino in Scarface or DiCaprio in Shutter Island - on the other hand I also like underacting like in "The Matrix" sequels, "Solaris" or "Unbreakable". One could imagine a DiCaprio-style portraial of Anakin - that would imo break the style of these movies. They are written in the grammar of Sci-Fi-Serials and the main-characters are jedi, who are much like samurai very economic in their emotional expression... I'm aware that this sounds apologetic to those who dislike the prequels but I'd say it boils down to if you like the character and how he is portrayed. And I like Anakin as well as Luke!

Actually I find the prequels to be very much anime or manga like in the way they are constructed and the way some of the scenes are played out.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Actually I find the prequels to be very much anime or manga like in the way they are constructed and the way some of the scenes are played out.

They certainly have a more eastern sensibility. The main characters are monks, politicians or royalty. So, the language is much more formal than in the OT. Maybe that's the reason that Anakin in Episode 2 shocks so many people. He doesn't play it cool or clever (like an experienced Han Solo) - because he never learned that. His confession to Padme ("You're in my very soul. Tormenting me.") is honest and shows the power and fatalism of first love.

[goldenrod]

Originally Posted by scoobydoos

Hello,

Is this version available in french? Because when I look at the site of amazon, they put the English version !
You put on your site:
English: DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1
Spanish: Dolby Digital 5.1
French: DTS 5.1
French: Dolby Digital 5.1

Thanks per advance

Best regard

I'm in Canada and the prequels both have canadian and parisian french language track while the OT have the french language track they always had.

[OneWayFilms]

Originally Posted by Troy73

Something that should come into consideration is all the prevailing good victories came when they used anger. Obi-Wan used anger to defeat Darth Maul. Anakin used anger to defeat Dooku. Obi-Wan used anger to defeat Anakin (you better believe he was pissed that Anakin just slaughtered all those jedi and children). Luke used anger to defeat Vader. Vader used anger to defeat the Emperor. Anger sparked the darkside in all of them and they used it to their advantage. Even if they came to their senses afterward anger was still what triggered the rage and aggression that led to all their victories.

There is something called RIGHTEOUS ANGER, followed by righteous judgmnent. Even Jesus had it when casting the money changers from the temples.

But I believe it was HATRED they were suppose to avoid.

[goldenrod]

Originally Posted by MCT

speaking of ROTS, and the walkway scene...

how in THEE HELL did Obi Wan ever recover from that?? He had a ton of metal just crash DIRECTLY onto his legs! I'm sorry but you can't use the lame "the Force healed" him excuse on this one. I never understood that part. There's a lot of stupid shit in the prequels but that one just sticks out like a sore thumb.

In the OT too. I always wondered how Luke and Han could fit their clothes underneath the Stormtroopers armor in ANH.

I will condede that there are less in the OT tough.

[Blu-Runner]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Actually I find the prequels to be very much anime or manga like in the way they are constructed and the way some of the scenes are played out.

Well, except for most Tatooine scenes, they're pretty much completely animated.

[millwork400]

Originally Posted by fdm

Firmware is up to date, the problem with disc 2 I read about prior to watching and sure enough. The problem with disc 3 I hadn't read about (yet?), so was wondering if it was just my copy.

The problem is the Panny BD-35. It is garbage. Had one and the blu laser went out after 4 months. I had horribly long load times.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by Blu-Runner

Well, except for most Tatooine scenes, they're pretty much completely animated.

For Episode 1 alone there were more sets, models and props build than for the whole OT combined.