Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[phansson]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

Mace killed Jango.

Mace knew the jetpack wasnt working & he had destroyed Jangos gun.

But Mace chopped Jangos head off anyways.

Guy with lightsaber vs guy with nothing.

I like it....just sayin.

Mace also wouldve killed Palps.

Mace also has a light saber with "bad Mutha F#*#r" on it.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Moviefan2k4

Anakin's line about Dooku is pretty pathetic. He literally cuts both his hands off, and then refers to him as an "unarmed prisoner". I hope the humor wasn't intentional.

Of course it was, I am STILL one of those who wonders why Lucas loves arm-chopping and I've been watching these movies since 1983.

[Colonel Kurtz]

Originally Posted by Apinamakina

Jedi do not kill unarmed & helpless opponents. That scene just showed how Obi-Wan is greater jedi than Anakin ever was..

Leaving a former friend mauled, burned and in tremendous pain to die really is grand behaviour. What a shining beacon for Jedi he is. If Obi-Wan was half the Jedi you make him out to be he would have tried to help Anakin, despite everything. Leaving him like that was just cruel. An uncharacteristic plot device to make Vader happen.

[phansson]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Of course it was, I am STILL one of those who wonders why Lucas loves arm-chopping and I've been watching these movies since 1983.

It might be a ratings thing, cutting hands off might not be as offensive as cutting heads off.

[phansson]

Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz

Leaving a former friend mauled, burned and in tremendous pain to die really is grand behaviour. What a shining beacon for Jedi he is. If Obi-Wan was half the Jedi you make him out to be he would have tried to help Anakin, despite everything. Leaving him like that was just cruel. An uncharacteristic plot device to make Vader happen.

He could have force pushed Anakin into the lava, that would have taken about half a second.

[sevb36]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

For Episode 1 alone there were more sets, models and props build than for the whole OT combined.

I actually think that was true with each prequel. The OT had worn out the one enviroment planets. What else was Lucas to do?

[MCT]

Is it true Spielberg directed part of the Order 66 sequence? Because the scene where Conehead Jedi is betrayed and killed was awesome and well done....had a bit of that Spielberg humanity to it, and that one kill in particular really resonated with me. The others left me cold.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by MCT

Is it true Spielberg directed part of the Order 66 sequence? Because the scene where Conehead Jedi is betrayed and killed was awesome and well done....had a bit of that Spielberg humanity to it, and that one kill in particular really resonated with me. The others left me cold.

I believe he did some pre-vis on the final battle between Anakin and Obi-Wan. That was in the "Within a Minute" doc on the DVD.

[fdm]

Originally Posted by millwork400

The problem is the Panny BD-35. It is garbage. Had one and the blu laser went out after 4 months. I had horribly long load times.

Dunno, I've had a '35 since Jan '09 and besides being slow at disc startup, and being a little finicky with a very few titles, mine's worked fine. Apparently it has known issues with one or more of the Star Wars discs. (Think my III disc might be scratched just right so the '35 locks up (will give it another try just to see later on), and the II disc seems to behave like others with the same player.)

And yes some people apparently got lemons and their blu lasers have failed, lucky for you yours was still under warranty.

I finally couldn't stand being region locked any more in June and got another player (and the Star Wars glitches weren't repeatable on it). But I've lately been using the '35 again for Region A titles mostly so I don't have to switch the Oppo back and forth between regions all the time. (I was waiting for the '35 to die to have the excuse of I just needed a new player, but that didn't work out. )

Anyway, may go ahead and watch IV V VI on it this weekend as well, if I have the time. Or more likely I'll be wise and just go with the Oppo for the rest of the discs.

[phansson]

He also did the Aayla Secura death scene, don't know about the ki-adi-mundi scene though...

[LetoAtreides82]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

Mace killed Jango.

Mace knew the jetpack wasnt working & he had destroyed Jangos gun.

But Mace chopped Jangos head off anyways.

Guy with lightsaber vs guy with nothing.

I like it....just sayin.

Mace also wouldve killed Palps.

That doesn't count in this instance. They were in a battle arena in the middle of a battle, if he hadn't killed Jango there Jango would have picked up one of the countless weapons thrown about in the arena. Even if there were no weapons around I wouldn't call Jango unarmed, he probably has weapons hidden in his suit that we didn't get to see.

[red_5ive]

Originally Posted by phansson

Mace also has a light saber with "bad Mutha F#*#r" on it.

[Apinamakina]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

Mace killed Jango.

Mace knew the jetpack wasnt working & he had destroyed Jangos gun.

But Mace chopped Jangos head off anyways.

Guy with lightsaber vs guy with nothing.

I like it....just sayin.

Mace also wouldve killed Palps.

As fas as I see it, Mace killed Jango who has shooting at him, I watched Attack of the Clones yesterday, but I didn't notice Mace destroying his gun.

But also I am not saying that every jedi don't kill their opponents, just saying the reason why I think Obi-Wan didn't finish off Anakin.

Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz

Leaving a former friend mauled, burned and in tremendous pain to die really is grand behaviour. What a shining beacon for Jedi he is. If Obi-Wan was half the Jedi you make him out to be he would have tried to help Anakin, despite everything. Leaving him like that was just cruel. An uncharacteristic plot device to make Vader happen.

It might look cruel but Anakin/Vader was even more cruel when he slaughtered all those Jedi and children, helping the Empire to destroy the Jedi Knights that had been his friends for many years. And he almost killed his wife that was carrying children.

And don't forget, he wasn't Anakin anymore, he was Vader now and Anakin had ceased to exists. I don't think Obi-Wan really wanted to help the Sith that had just killed all the friends Obi-Wan had. But didn't want to finish him off because he was once his friend after all, and for the reasons I already mentioned.

But this is just my opinion.

Ps. I just finished watching A New Hope, by video quality, it had some grainy moments in Tatooine scenes, but otherwise it was pretty good. Better than in Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones I think.

But audio was perfect! I think it was better than in any prequel movie.
When Han Solo shooted at the door in trashpit, it sounded like that blaster was flying all over in my room.

There were only two negative things I didn't like:
- Lightsaber colours, when Luke was training in Millenium Falcon, they had fixed his lightsaber colour on that one scene only, and for rest, it was white. Were they just lazy or didn't care? It wasn't that big deal, but still...
Also I noticed some minor colour changes in Obi-Wan vs. Vader duel, for few frames, it almost looked like Obi-Wan's saber was purple, and Vader's orange or something.

- Obi-Wan's Kray Dragon cry or whatever, it wasn't that bad, but still kinda unintentionally hilarious.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by sevb36

But who is the end-all-be-all of opinions on what is good acting and what is not? It's not an objective science, it's all subjective personal opinion.
Stealing a Palpatine line:
"Good" is a point of view.

No, it clearly isn't all subjective opinion, and there is definitely an objective nature to it, because other actors know who is good at acting. Directors know who is good at acting. Players in the industry know who is good at acting. Hayden is not on anyone's list.

It's not like Jason Statham is as good an actor as Christian Bale, "depending on how you look at it". There's a difference between "favorite" and "best".

You will never, ever, ever find Hayden Christensen in a "Top ___ Actors of All Time" list.

I'm all for "having an opinion", but anyone saying acting is 100% subjective and Hayden Christensen is as good as Daniel Day-Lewis just because and so there, is wrong.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

Why?

It's a distinctive style and yeah, maybe it's corny, but it tells you what the character is feeling and where he his emotionally.

Another one of these notions that bad writing is like, an artistic choice, or something... this whole "no such thing as bad, just different" kick people go on whenever they have some wiggle room with "subjectivity" is off the deep-end.

Reminds me of youth sports not keeping score, giving all the teams medals and telling them they all won. Yay!

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz

Leaving a former friend mauled, burned and in tremendous pain to die really is grand behaviour. What a shining beacon for Jedi he is. If Obi-Wan was half the Jedi you make him out to be he would have tried to help Anakin, despite everything. Leaving him like that was just cruel. An uncharacteristic plot device to make Vader happen.

You're forgetting the Jedi and the Sith are sworn enemies, and have been for thousands of years. If you're a Jedi, it is your duty to stop a Sith lord at all costs. There would be no other considerations, for anyone who belonged to the Jedi order.

[Colonel Kurtz]

Originally Posted by Apinamakina

It might look cruel but Anakin/Vader was even more cruel when he slaughtered all those Jedi and children, helping the Empire to destroy the Jedi Knights that had been his friends for many years. And he almost killed his wife that was carrying children.

And don't forget, he wasn't Anakin anymore, he was Vader now and Anakin had ceased to exists. I don't think Obi-Wan really wanted to help the Sith that had just killed all the friends Obi-Wan had. But didn't want to finish him off because he was once his friend after all, and for the reasons I already mentioned.

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

You're forgetting the Jedi and the Sith are sworn enemies, and have been for thousands of years. If you're a Jedi, it is your duty to stop a Sith lord at all costs. There would be no other considerations, for anyone who belonged to the Jedi order.

He already stopped him. Cutting off two legs and an arm will do that, alright. I
I'd say revenge and cruelty aren't part of the Jedi codex.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

What would you do to your "friend" if he slaughtered younglings? For someone as skilled as Anakin that's like killing defenseless children.

I have to disagree. Either Obi-Wan would feel they're still friends (or at least still has feelings for the guy) and puts him out of his misery, or he makes sure that the bastard that killed younglings is truly defeated. Like phansson said, they're on a planet of lava. It would be easier, and probably less painful to force push him into the lava than what Obi-Wan eventually ended up doing.

[Tim H.]

Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz

Leaving a former friend mauled, burned and in tremendous pain to die really is grand behaviour. What a shining beacon for Jedi he is. If Obi-Wan was half the Jedi you make him out to be he would have tried to help Anakin, despite everything. Leaving him like that was just cruel. An uncharacteristic plot device to make Vader happen.

I agree but guess Obi-wan figured Vader would die by the time he walked away though you'd think that he would have felt that with the Force. GL couldn't kill Vader without having to reshoot the OT. Imo one of the biggest gaps between the two trilogies since GL was working backwards is that important characters like Mace Windu, Dooku, Jar Jar, Grievous and even more importantly Padme and Qui-Jon who trained Obi-wan are never mentioned or even referenced in the now 2nd half by anybody.

Did they all die or disappear or just get forgotten by everybody out of dramatic/story requirements or just to keep them out of the revised OT which would have needed more tinkering with dialogue looping or insert shots?

Even Naboo*, the Nabooians and Gungens, Coruscant*, Kamino, etc. don't exist except when these * are seen in the revised Celebration sequence of ROTJ.

Oh well, I try not to let it bug me and just enjoy the films as they are.

Not being a deep SW fan I've never figured out who the Sith are. Just Jedi's gone bad or something else? I'll have to Wikipedia that.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

I have to disagree. Either Obi-Wan would feel they're still friends (or at least still has feelings for the guy) and puts him out of his misery, or he makes sure that the bastard that killed younglings is truly defeated. Like phansson said, they're on a planet of lava. It would be easier, and probably less painful to force push him into the lava than what Obi-Wan eventually ended up doing.

They were painted into a corner in Sith, simple and plain. They had to have Darth remain alive, and they had to show how he became "more machine than man".

He should have been rescued, or the cave they were in started collapsing, or something, so Obi-Wan would have to cut a quick escape and run to save his own life, rather than just leaving a torso and stumps wiggling around there as he casually walks away.