Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Cobra Kai]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

But IMO there's no place for such an overuse of the effect in Star Wars' aesthetic, because it's not about a futuristic extension of the real world. It's pure space fantasy, and the photography needs to reflect that.

Exactly.

[welcometothepartypal]

I don't think I would have ever noticed the lens flares if the internet didn't point it out to me. While I was watching ST into Darkness, all I could see were LENS FLARES and it kept taking me out of the movie. I didn't know whether to curse JJ or sites like this that I visit so often. Anyway I truly hope he keeps it to a minimum when Han and Chewie are kicking ass.

[Dispatch Ninja]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Abrams' Star Trek movies were Trek in name only (TINO?) and I've always regarded them as glorified Star Wars demo reels, so I've got every confidence that JJ will deliver a movie with the sense of fun and adventure and knockabout action which characterised the OT. He's gotta ditch the lens flares though, I mean I love 'em but they just ain't right for Star Wars.

There'll probably be lens flare in the opening crawl.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by thebard

Read my post. I said nothing about dropping the opening crawl. But he usually builds up to his title with an opening scene, so I could see him not jumping right to it.

Ah, I misunderstood you then. I think that's unlikely too though, they'll want to keep it in line with the previous six main installments I'm sure. I think, if there'll be any experimentation it'll be with the spin-offs, since they're "side movies" and don't have to follow all the established conventions.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Dispatch Ninja

There'll probably be lens flare in the opening crawl.

A lens flare as "Star Wars" appears would certainly put his mark on the series right off the bat.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by JimmyTwoTimes

I don't like Abrams' Star Trek movies at all, but people really need to get over this lens flare business. I think it's become something that people just repeat from one another. Am I missing something? The use of CG lens flare is nothing new, it's been seen in countless films and games before the new Star Trek, so why are people freaking out about it now? Because it was used on the interior shots on the bridge?

Abrams ending up apologizing for using ridiculous amounts of lens flare - which he should have. It became stupid, pure and simple.

[OneBuckFilms]

Originally Posted by thebard

^ I agree.
I can also see Abrams eschewing some of the "expected" Star Wars film conventions, to set these movies apart and basically tell the audience "this I not your grandpa's Star Wars". It's not really his filming style, for example, to jump right to an opening crawl, or use prominent wipes, etc.

I don't think he'll drop the opening crawl or the crossfade conventions.

He's going as far as using model photography to keep things "old school". He's also using John Williams for the score, also being faithful to the history of the films.

Going back to the original cast, original composer, old school way of VFX (models rather than pure CGI), all indicate that he wants this to fit in stylistically with the original films.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by OneBuckFilms

I don't think he'll drop the opening crawl or the crossfade conventions.

He's going as far as using model photography to keep things "old school". He's also using John Williams for the score, also being faithful to the history of the films.

Going back to the original cast, original composer, old school way of VFX (models rather than pure CGI), all indicate that he wants this to fit in stylistically with the original films.

He needs to go back and hire Gary Kurtz! Just as much of the first two films success was due to him, or at least as much as Lucas.

[Ernest Rister]

There's no way Kathleen Kennedy and LucasFilm are going to shuffle the Prequel films off into the Legends brand along with the EU. It would be a huge slap in the face to George Lucas, and it's just not going to happen.

As for the new trilogy, Lucas had the outline for the next three films created before the merger, and Iger refused to bite until he saw what he was purchasing. Lucas initially balked, then agreed, allowing three people from Disney to see what LucasFilm had up their sleeve for the new movies. Iger was satisfied, the acquisition went through.

I have deep suspicions there are indeed going to be call backs to the Skywalker Prequel storyline, as there is unfinished business Lucas couldn't get to - by his own admission - in Revenge of the Sith regarding the mystery of Anakin's birth. Don't be shocked if Max Von Sydow is playing a very old Sith Lord named Darth Plagueis, who wasn't killed by his apprentice after all.

[Scorpion Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

There's no way Kathleen Kennedy and LucasFilm are going to shuffle the Prequel films off into the Legends brand along with the EU. It would be a huge slap in the face to George Lucas, and it's just not going to happen.

Plus the fact that naming this Episode VII would make little to no sense if you're retconning 3 out of the 6 previous films

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Scorpion Soldier

Plus the fact that naming this Episode VII would make little to no sense if you're retconning 3 out of the 6 previous films

The original trilogy were always called 4, 5 and 6, so I don't see that as relevant. Not that I think they will remove the prequels, just saying calling it Episode VII proves nothing either way on that front.

Like I said last page, I'm sure Abrams can ignore the prequels if he wants without actually calling them non-canon. I hope he does, as I am one who doesn't like the prequels much at all.

[Scorpion Soldier]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

The original trilogy were always called 4, 5 and 6, so I don't see that as relevant.

Didn't they get numbered after Episode 1 was released? I thought the whole Episode numberings weren't a thing before The Phantom Menace.

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by Scorpion Soldier

Plus the fact that naming this Episode VII would make little to no sense if you're retconning 3 out of the 6 previous films

Unless you're remaking them.......

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Scorpion Soldier

Didn't they get numbered after Episode 1 was released? I thought the whole Episode numberings weren't a thing before The Phantom Menace.

A New Hope was originally just called Star Wars.

Then The Empire Strikes Back came out, which always had the Episode V subtitle in it from day one.

After that Star Wars was renamed Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope and had the Episode IV subtitle added into the opening crawl in 1981.

I Hope this info helps.

[Cobra Kai]

Originally Posted by Scorpion Soldier

Didn't they get numbered after Episode 1 was released? I thought the whole Episode numberings weren't a thing before The Phantom Menace.

ESB has always been numbered since its release in 1980. SW was re-released in '81 with EP IV added to the crawl.

[Rambaldi47]

In a perfect world, Disney actually would remove the prequels from canon and remake them. If only...

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

There's no way Kathleen Kennedy and LucasFilm are going to shuffle the Prequel films off into the Legends brand along with the EU. It would be a huge slap in the face to George Lucas, and it's just not going to happen.

As for the new trilogy, Lucas had the outline for the next three films created before the merger, and Iger refused to bite until he saw what he was purchasing. Lucas initially balked, then agreed, allowing three people from Disney to see what LucasFilm had up their sleeve for the new movies. Iger was satisfied, the acquisition went through.

I have deep suspicions there are indeed going to be call backs to the Skywalker Prequel storyline, as there is unfinished business Lucas couldn't get to - by his own admission - in Revenge of the Sith regarding the mystery of Anakin's birth. Don't be shocked if Max Von Sydow is playing a very old Sith Lord named Darth Plagueis, who wasn't killed by his apprentice after all.

Sure, but as far as what Disney bought and paid for, it's changed since then hasn't it? The Internet says that JJ has junked the original script and rewritten it with the help of Larry Kasdan, veering away from the story that Lucas wanted to tell. Perhaps the ultimate aim of the new film (and indeed the new trilogy) is still broadly similar to what Lucas had planned, only JJ has approached it from a different angle, relying more on the OT cast to tell the story before handing over the baton, unlike Lucas who (apparently) wanted to dispense with the oldies early on and focus on the various Solo/Skywalker offspring right off the bat.

I think you're right though, they won't just be ignoring what happened in the PT movies (or Clone Wars) because whether people like it or not, they're part of the immovable filmic canon of the SW universe. Sydow as Plagueis, wow, I didn't think of that.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I think you're right though, they won't just be ignoring what happened in the PT movies (or Clone Wars) because whether people like it or not, they're part of the immovable filmic canon of the SW universe. Sydow as Plagueis, wow, I didn't think of that.

Prequel events are almost certainly 'immovable' in the sense that they can't be changed or rearranged but I don't see any particular reason they can't be ignored.

Might this trilogy revisit Anakin's supposed virgin birth or resurrect Darth Plagueis? Sure, that's possible.

But it's far from necessary. Pretty much everything in the prequels is movable in the sense that it can easily be put in a corner and forgotten about.

[The Fallen Deity]

I can't see the prequels getting completely ignored.

What'll probably happen is that the events of those films will be acknowledged but that's about it.

[Astro Zombie]

Originally Posted by The Fallen Deity

I can't see the prequels getting completely ignored.

What'll probably happen is that the events of those films will be acknowledged but that's about it.

Yeah, there's no way they'll ignore the prequels.