Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Stlsports]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

IMO the race itself is kind of cool, but it just seems like too much of a side distraction that did little to advance the plot in any way, which is kind of a great metaphor for much of what's wrong with the PT.

The whole trangent with the ship being damaged, needing a part, and Anakin racing just seemed like a big side-distraction more than anything. Yes, I know the bet that Qui-Gon made with Watto over the race is how Anakin ended up getting freed, but pretty much anything could have been written in it's place to free Anakin in a much faster manner.

The only other purpose that is sort of served, all be not very well IMO, was as some kind of very, very loose basis for there to be any remote truth in Obi Wan's comment to Luke in ANH about how Anakin was already a "great pilot" when he "first knew him." Which I kind of argue is BS to a certain extent since the pods, while hovering above the ground, are essentially land vehicles and not something that people are going to fly around in the sky, let alone space. But this goes with the many issues that I have with Anakin being so young in Ep 1 in the first place, but I'm not going into that tangent. (On the pilot subject, aside from this scene, the only other scene in the movie that 'establishes' him as a pilot is towards the end when he's in that plane/ship with R2, and half of what happens there is done by auto pilot, and the other half is pretty much him going "Oops" and doing things by accident... not exactly what I would call a "great pilot).

So while the pod race is kind of cool looking and all, it's just a lot of wasted time that could have been better spent on character and plot development, something that the PT IMO often didn't do very well. It's just one of many examples of "style over substance" in which the visuals outweigh the plot/story in the PT.

Lucas did the race simply because he loves cars and racing and that's the only way he could get it on film.

[nmycon]

Originally Posted by svenge

I was just expanding the explanation for the sake of others.

Gotcha

How considerate of you

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Dude, you like the phantom menace...

Yep. Proud of that fact too. I'm sure you like some movies that other people don't.

It's called having different tastes. And it's what makes the world great.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

It's just been confirmed that the Padme's Ruminations scene in Revenge of the Sith now has a lengthy voiceover by Hayden Christenson during the scene, just in case some of the more "slow" fans were unclear what was going through Anakin's mind while looking at Padme across Coruscant.

Original Scene Without Voice Over:
Padme's Ruminations - YouTube

If that's for real, then it's the same thing as Vader's "No". Lucas fails to comprehend what makes a scene great. Both scenes convey so much without the spoken dialogue. Granted, I haven't heard the revised RotS scene - but, honestly, the less HC speaks the better.

[georgec]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

Inception is better than both of those crappy movies, and probably better than star wars.

Avatar is one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Awful writing, awful story, awful everything. Predator is classic, though - a great action/horror/sci-fi hybrid film. Inception is a great as well.

[42041]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

If that's for real, then it's the same thing as Vader's "No". Lucas fails to comprehend what makes a scene great. Both scenes convey so much without the spoken dialogue. Granted, I haven't heard the revised RotS scene - but, honestly, the less HC speaks the better.

The prequels have not leaked yet so I doubt anyone knows what changes have been made (if any), I think Greg is joking around

[nmycon]

Originally Posted by Aragorn84

If that's for real, then it's the same thing as Vader's "No". Lucas fails to comprehend what makes a scene great. Both scenes convey so much without the spoken dialogue. Granted, I haven't heard the revised RotS scene - but, honestly, the less HC speaks the better.

It reminds me of how Ridley Scott added Deckard's voiceover to Blade Runner for American audiences...

Now everyone agrees the narration was just stupid and the film makes enough sense without Deckard explaining everything.

[Petyr_Baelish]

Originally Posted by Beast

Yep. Proud of that fact too. I'm sure you like some movies that other people don't.

It's called having different tastes. And it's what makes the world great.

You have to have taste, before you have different tastes.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by 42041

The prequels have not leaked yet so I doubt anyone knows what changes have been made (if any), I think Greg is joking around

I honestly just can't tell anymore. If someone told me Lucas was putting Roger Rabbit into the Cantina scene of 'Star Wars', I'd believe them.

[Blu Myers]

All this hoopla made me want to experiment with the letterbox transfers of the UOT, you know, make them anamorphic. I figured out how to do it. I used AutoGK and converted them to a 1.5GB XVID file. I then plugged my external hard drive into my HDTV and walla...They were anamorphic! Now I can die happy.

Oh, and I'm really on the fence now about the blu-ray set after these insane changes, and I never thought I'd say that about Star Wars.

[TheStorm]

Originally Posted by Beast

I'd rather watch Avatar any day of the week. Check out the Riffrax sometime. You'll never see Inception the same way again.

Rifftrax - Inception Sample - YouTube

I've still watched that, and Inception is still an amazing movie, that most would agree with that, including critics and the masses. PT.....not so much. Yes you have a right to your opinion but to me it seems you are a minority with some of those thoughts.

If you loved those, then maybe you should watch the RiffTrax on Episode I, II, and III....you'll never watch those the same way. Or watch RedLetterMedia's reviews on em, you'll never look at them the same way either.

On topic though I'm pissed as hell about the change in ROTJ, it just boggles my mind.

[earmullet]

....and Simon Pegg is still ranting on twitter. Seriously.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

You have to have taste, before you have different tastes.

I do have taste. I just don't share the same tastes that you do. It's called reality.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by earmullet

....and Simon Pegg is still ranting on twitter. Seriously.

He needs a hobby. Maybe he should quit crying about what everyone elses does and get back to making movies.

I thought that's what he did for a living. But I guess it's easier for him to moan about what someone else does.

[nmycon]

NEWSFLASH:

List of Empire Changes: (from milleniumfalcon.com)

Still not fixed....

The Empire Strikes Back

01. Garbage mattes around Star Destroyer and probe droids still there.
02. Star Destroyer's movement still flickers while panning with the probe.
03. Wampa arm, while "fixed", is not done properly. A black "blotch" has been added to the bottom left corner of the screen.
04. SE 1997 attempts to fix Tauntaun effects still there.
05. SE 1997 Wampa still added, sound is still invasive and does not "blend" the new footage in.
06. Lightsaber retracting sound is still there as Luke leaves Wampa cave. His saber is clearly still activated.
07. Shield doors still begin to close behind Chewbacca, then are open, then are closing again.
08. Han still says "shelter UP" from a different take than "shelter BUILT."
09. Still no shadow from Rogue 2 Snowspeeder as Han waves to the pilot.
10. Garbage mattes still in Imperial Fleet during "The Imperial March."
11. Garbage mattes still prevalent as Imperial Fleet approaches Hoth, especially the TIE's.
12. Piett's image still shows outside of Vader's monitor screen.
13. Transparent Snowspeeder cockpits still there.
14. Shadow is under Wedge's Speeder and tow cable when Janson makes the shot, but then disappears.
15. Shield generator explosion still looks very fake.
16. Luke watching the Millennium Falcon depart is still mis-timed.
17. Red text on Luke's screen in the X-Wing is still mis-aligned with the monitor.
18. Garbage mattes still prevalent throughout the entire asteroid field sequence.
19. TIE Fighter collision and explosion on the asteroid are still very fake.
20. Millennium Falcon engines lose blue hue during asteroid sequence.
21. Aboard the Falcon in the "cave", a piece still falls off of C-3PO's arm when he says "Sir, sir!"
22. In the next scene when the asteroid collides with the Star Destroyer's tower, the tower still just faintly disappears behind a transparent
explosion.
23. The lightsaber blades are NOT consistently fixed for the Bespin duel. That's right. They change from shot to shot.
24. The stage hand giving Luke his saber hilt on the top of the carbon freezing chamber can still be seen.
25. In the same scene, when Luke jumps down, the impact sound of him landing is still too late.


Changes noticed:

01. Flames added to probe droid "crater."
02. Most of the blue tint on Hoth is gone. I said MOST.
03. Wampa arm is fixed, but not properly (See number 03 above).
04. When Obi-Wan appears to Luke, he can be seen better than before.
05. Snowspeeders look better against white snow than blue!
06. Garbage matte appears to be gone when the Rebel Transport and escort X-Wings leave Hoth.
07. Hamill's "The first transport is away" is still there.
08. SE 1997 Luke goes up the grappling hook under the Imperial Walker.
09. R2-D2's black panels in space are blue.
10. C-3PO still says "There's nowhere to go" after saying "Oh this is suicide."
11. On Dagobah, Luke still tells R2 "You were lucky to get out of there" instead of "You're lucky you don't taste very good."
12. When Vader contacts the Emperor, it is still the altered 2004 version.
13. In the cave on Dagobah, the lightsaber blades are brilliantly colored red and blue and bright with white cores.
14. Boba Fett's voice is still the 2004 "Kiwi" accent from Temuera Morrison.
15. When Yoda raises the X-Wing, the model shot is still the 2004 version with an attempted shadow under the vehicle.
16. Inside the Falcon cockpit while approaching Cloud City is no longer zoomed in.
17. All Cloud City 1997 and 2004 changes are still there, and still look out of place.
18. Shadows still removed from Han's shirt as he goes into carbon freeze.
19. Vader's "Alert my Star Destroyer...." crap is still there, unchanged. lol
20. The Imperial Shuttle leaving Bespin is still there, and the sunlight can still be seen through it.
21. The "double" top hatch on the Falcon is still there.
22. The alternate take of Vader's arrival on the second Death Star in ROTJ is still used as his Star Destroyer.

[Maggot]

Hey, everybody lets get down and boogie with some MECO Star Wars/Empire Strikes Back music, cause misery loves company and those songs are as tacky as Lucas is with a lot of revisionism.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by Boone_Carlyle

You have to have taste, before you have different tastes.

Doesn't matter how many times you say the contrary; everyone has their own taste, their own opinions, etc. Your's is not any more valid than any body else's.

There's no 'but' that you can come up with that will dispute that.

[ckocher]

Honestly, it's not like these films are unwatchable. They are great. Just because he adds things in doesn't make them less great.

Lots of directors put out longer cuts of their movies. They can do that, since they made them. No one complains when they do that. The director/producer/writer of the star wars films feels that the original cuts are inferior to the new versions and those are the ones he wants to put out. This really isn't a big deal.

I pre-ordered in January. I'm not canceling anything.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by Beast

Gullible much?

Damn straight. Honest to God, I thought Vader's "No" was a practical joke. I never imagined it could be real until more evidence began to surface.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by nmycon

It reminds me of how Ridley Scott added Deckard's voiceover to Blade Runner for American audiences...

Now everyone agrees the narration was just stupid and the film makes enough sense without Deckard explaining everything.

Yep. Keep in mind, Ridley actually did not want to add it, but evidently the studio executives did (which was not surprising).