Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[retablo]

Originally Posted by scraptor

Terrific post. Unless these come in as reference-quality discs, and I don't think they will, the "No" is the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

As for the hatred towards Lucas that others are deriding, I think it stems from a very simple reaction. If you are of a certain age, when you watch the Star Wars OT, you are not just enjoying them for the films themselves, but for the nostalgia. The films take you back to a different time and place, back to that magical first experience.

By messing with the films, Lucas is messing with that nostalgia. So he is introducing a jarring change to the way that the movies were first experienced, and thus changing the original feeling of watching the movies. It is a very discordant feeling.

(Although the changes may seem superficially minor, for many people, the films are practically memorized, so even small changes are jarring.)

I'm a certain age, and saw all of the films in the theater. I grew up as a fan. The changes don't affect me at all. They don't change the nostalgia for me, because the story hasn't changed. A few moments have, but none of those moments change the fundamentals of the movies, the plot, or the spectacle. So, no, they don't change the "feeling" for me.

They also aren't some "holy grail" of movies for me, either. They are silly B movies with bad acting and cool SFX and that's what they ALWAYS were. I find it funny when people complain about the acting in Fast Five yet praise Star Wars like the acting is really any better. I think its the people who make them out to be more than the are are the ones who can't live with the changes, because somehow they think Star Wars is more than just fantasy movies... and that in itself is sort of sad to me.

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

You don't want some dead-sticks, you want to go home and re-think your life!

*Affects Nerd Voice*

Star Wars Fanboy: "It's death-sticks. Not dead-sticks."

[hipster.doofus7]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Because he's absolutely right?

Your response makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. What does your answer have anything to do with my question? My question wasn't even about Tippet; it was about the guy claiming that Tippet's opinion was "surprising".

I swear, some haters are just so busy fuming and frothing at their mouths they don't even bother framing their answers within the context of a question anymore. They just go on spewing vile and hate randomly.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Monolithium

*Affects Nerd Voice*

Star Wars Fanboy: "It's death-sticks. Not dead-sticks."

Well you don't want it in any case

[mredman]

Originally Posted by david_blu

Have you guys seen these yet on ZONADVD

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...icle&sid=30815

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...icle&sid=30786

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...icle&sid=30755

DVD vs Blu Ray

Episode IV

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...cle&artid=1203

Episode V

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...cle&artid=1202

Episode VI

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...cle&artid=1206

I imagine Episodes 1 -3 will be done also at some point.

OK i really don't care what anybody says anymore. Because DAMN these look FREAKING FANTASTIC

[SixSpeedSamurai]

What I find rather humorous is we want the theatrical editions of Star Wars on Blu-Ray and the altered editions of Star Trek on Blu-Ray.

[Snowmaker]

Originally Posted by mredman

OK i really don't care what anybody says anymore. Because DAMN these look FREAKING FANTASTIC

I can finally see Prune Face!

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

Your response makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. What does your answer have anything to do with my question? My question wasn't even about Tippet; it was about the guy claiming that Tippet's opinion was "surprising".

I swear, some haters are just so busy fuming and frothing at their mouths they don't even bother framing their answers within the context of a question anymore. They just go on spewing vile and hate randomly.

"Because he's absolutely right"

I agree, such vile (bile?) and hate. It really is outrageous, the vile and hate. It's just so, vile and hateful.

[bkbluray]

Originally Posted by phansson

From very small screen shots you can tell that the detail is incredible ?

and yes I clicked on the "zoom"......

That's what I thought too... I had a hard time telling the difference. Doesn't look like a AAA transfer from the screen comparisons.

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

Your response makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. What does your answer have anything to do with my question? My question wasn't even about Tippet; it was about the guy claiming that Tippet's opinion was "surprising".

I swear, some haters are just so busy fuming and frothing at their mouths they don't even bother framing their answers within the context of a question anymore. They just go on spewing vile and hate randomly.

To answer your question, I found it surprising that someone still in the industry and not as active as he would probably like was so scathing in his comments about one of the industries most influential figures. An outburst like that will not endear him to any of the directors that work in the FX domain, such as Cameron, Spielberg, Jackson etc etc who all hold GL in high regard or are close friends of his. Surprising as Star Wars is a bit of a cash cow even for him (he is all over the special features) and he has basically bitten the hand that feeds him. Surprising, as I said.

[havardt123]

No, sorry, just got some pics of the box. I have to wait just like everybody else..

[spidey0115]

Originally Posted by mredman

OK i really don't care what anybody says anymore. Because DAMN these look FREAKING FANTASTIC

I agree. They look f'n awesome!!!!!!!

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by david_blu

Have you guys seen these yet on ZONADVD

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...icle&sid=30815

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...icle&sid=30786

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...icle&sid=30755

DVD vs Blu Ray

Episode IV

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...cle&artid=1203

Episode V

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...cle&artid=1202

Episode VI

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...cle&artid=1206

I imagine Episodes 1 -3 will be done also at some point.

This one is SO cute!!!

LOL

[Show spoiler]

[nathan_393]

Originally Posted by spidey0115

I agree. They look f'n awesome!!!!!!!

Agreed. Improved contrast is what I wanted and it looks like I got it where it counted. As far as resolution goes, there's an obvious and immediate improvement. I don't know how people can't see it. Look at the models or the hair on people's heads. Compare the detail in several shots - the DVD looks nearly blurry compared to the Blu. And I never even zoomed in on an image - it's just obvious.

But the difference in contrast is tremendous, thank God. I can sleep happy now. Very excited for the set! Finally, a disc version of Star Wars that looks as good as it used to waaaay back in the day!

PS. I also noticed changes to colour timing, particularly on Tatooine in ROTJ. The sand went from orange to yellow. And C3P0's leg looks more silver than it did on the DVD, which is certainly a good thing as well.

[VM1138]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

To answer your question, I found it surprising that someone still in the industry and not as active as he would probably like was so scathing in his comments about one of the industries most influential figures. An outburst like that will not endear him to any of the directors that work in the FX domain, such as Cameron, Spielberg, Jackson etc etc who all hold GL in high regard or are close friends of his. Surprising as Star Wars is a bit of a cash cow even for him (he is all over the special features) and he has basically bitten the hand that feeds him. Surprising, as I said.

Eh...I don't know. For one, his outburst is justified, and everyone in the industry who is fairminded would cut him some slack because of that. For two, Spielberg at least agrees in principle with the anti-Lucas fans. He won't call Lucas out because they are friends, but Spielberg has come out and responded to fan criticism of his own changes and admitted he was wrong. So I don't think Tippett speaking out is going to hurt him in Hollywood circles. Most people probably think Lucas has gone too far with other people's work anyway.

What's most frustrating, though, is how poorly done the changes have been. We can fight over whether Vader's "No" belongs there, or whether the Krayt dragon scream needed to be changed, but there's hardly any argument that the sounds that are there now are godawful and amateurishly done. If anything this is going to make it harder for Lucas to find the best of the best to work with him on future projects. Sure, the money would be good, but there's no guarantee your work will even exist in five years.

EDIT: And those pictures do look slightly better, but nothing to flip out over. Maybe it's the limitations of it being an older movie, but the difference isn't astounding, it's just a bit better. I'm debating on whether to buy this, as I'd like to have the prequels and ESB, but I might have to keep my DVDs of ANH and ROTJ until the next set.

[DarkDune]

Originally Posted by david_blu

Have you guys seen these yet on ZONADVD

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...icle&sid=30815

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...icle&sid=30786

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...icle&sid=30755

DVD vs Blu Ray

Episode IV

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...cle&artid=1203

Episode V

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...cle&artid=1202

Episode VI

http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?n...cle&artid=1206

I imagine Episodes 1 -3 will be done also at some point.

5|-|IT this is SO clear!

[Show spoiler]

And this dude needs some acne cream! GOD!

[Show spoiler]

[42041]

Am I missing something? They're like... half 1080p resolution, hard to judge much from that...

A guy on AVS posted some full-res captures from what's supposedly the blu-ray a while back:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=4943

[Bluyoda]

What I don't understand is why GL adds CG rocks in front of R2D2, makes the Ewoks blink, and stuff like that, but doesn't care about the poorly done lighsabers!!!!????

I really don't care about the additions, but it seems so random, and nonsensical.

Adding the Dug in Jabba's palace for example.

Wouldn't it have been much better if they replaced that god-awful blue elephant on the organ???

I still can't believe they didn't fix the lightsaber issues on the MF, when Luke first ignites it.

It's just baffling!

I'll soon see for myself, if those leaks were indeed the final versions.

I like Vader's No though, although it wasn't really necessary.

Just my 2 cents.

[Falaskan]

I canceled my order today, and decided to order both trilogies seperately. Besides liking the artwork more, the deleted scenes are dissapointing. 95% of the good scenes from the PT are not in this set! It may seem kinda silly, but I am a poor college student, and save $10 this way.

[bkbluray]

Originally Posted by megafan999

Is it me, or does Princess Leia look kind of creepy in that pic to the left?

It's not just you. I was starting to think that myself...