Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by supercutz

So the SW trilogy although a cultural phenomenon and a piece of historic cinematic work that changed Hollywood forever isn't worth the time/money to remaster and will not sell yet tons of other movies with a far lesser significance/audience/fanbase do and have been released (see your local retail store for 100s of examples)?

When it's not your money being wasted, probably not. His point was that a separately available original unaltered trilogy would be competing with the special editions. If they came out at the same time, it might be profitable (I'd still doubt it) but his argument is premised that it comes out after an SE edit, in which case there's very little chance.

Not only do you under estimate the fanbase, you under estimate the power of double dipping. Hell, Hollywood has made it their M.O. to get as much money out of consumers as possible with lesser known and not-as-popular movies being released again and again.

Right, Hollywood has, but not LFL. That's why we don't have the 1977-original cut available for sale (though you can download it if you look hard enough), the Biggs Edition, etc. He's always done one or two releases per format.

DVD had the SE and the re-release, but weren't the originals OOP and the original cut thrown in as a bennie?

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

I just have a personal preference to which ones I like better and I get pigeon holed into being a nut job because I want what I want. The generality of the statement basically made it sound like everyone who prefers the original trilogy the way it was is a Cancer... so that is why I responded

You're right, people with cancer don't complain as much as OT trilogy purists.

FYI: I wasn't calling anybody anything, just listing things that probably won't be solved/cured/disappear in our lifetimes.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You're right, people with cancer don't complain as much as OT trilogy purists.

I've said numerous times that I support George and what he is doing with the movies, I just wish that he would do the same thing as was done with other movies, namely Blade Runner, Lord of The Rings, the WB release of Payback, or the numerous other movies that are available as original cuts and directors cuts. I would GLADLY buy the entire super duper, Special Greedo Shoots first/Jabba is in A New Hope/Hayden Christiansen in Jedi if it included both versions. I've said that I enjoy the Special Editions when I want to watch the entire Saga. But I also prefer the OUT. I just would prefer that one be included in the Super Duper Boxed Set, and I would DEFINITLY pay a premium price if it did.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Beast

After watching the snoreville that is ANH, you'll probably have to bribe them to watch the others.


There's a reason that kids happen to enjoy the Prequel films better than the OT.

Beat, you are hilarious!!

While ANH is definitely the most dated movie in the whole Saga, it's also the wittiest, and that's what saves it for me, and it has those unique magical moments!

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Sorry Yoda, I did not notice your post, it was sort of buried in between all the posts between Beast and MTC

I love all 6 Star Wars movies but I am not blind either. They are what they are. They are my 6 favorite movies, plus it's also my hobby. I collect the books, the comic books, toys....you name it. I enjoy Star Wars, it's fun but they are not my life.

That being said, it's not high art and it never was suppose to be. All six movies have their strenght and their flaws, all 6 of them. The main difference with me is that I am not stuck in a generation type conflict with myself. I grew up on the first three movies and I love them but I always saw them for what they are fun cheesie space opera serial throwback movies. They are not, 2001 A Space Odyssey for example, they were never suppose to be that either. However some people grew up convincing themselves that they are, that they have no flaws, that they are perfect in every shape or form. I am not sure exactly why they have come to believe that but it's their choice and well good for them. The main trouble behind that is they elevated the first 3 movies to level they never really had but they are now so convince about it that everything Lucas now does is turn into hatred for them. That is the reason why like you and others we enjoy the prequels, we don't mind the special edition, we don't start foaming at the mouth in rage because Lucas removed a couple of bad horrible rubber muppets and replace them in CGI with a new song and start screaming on every forum we can find on the Internet that he raped our childhood. I love the first 3 movies, always have but they are not my life, they are movies, nothing more nothing less. All of my Star Wars collection is just a hobby, not my life. If Lucas does not like how they look and he want's to make more changes into them, good for him I say, it's his stuff he can do what he wish. I have the option to not buy what he is selling me however if I disagre with him, we all have. But screaming like maniacs that he rape our childhood is a bit over doing it in my opinion but since I always tought of them as movies and never really made my entire childhood revolved around them, I can be logical about it.

No problem P@t! Thanks for your long reply.

Hmm. I know what you mean, but to me there no less art than 2001:ASO.

The SW films doesn't pretend to be an art, or a thinking-man's films, but in reality they kind of are.

They are very complex, much more complex than art films, but it's very lighthearted for the most part. That's why the appeal to all kinds of people, not just folks who like weird art movies.

I love B/W films, especially on BD.

I wouldn't want to chose a favorite movie, but if I had to pick one it would be the SW Saga for sure, as it includes everything that's great about movies.

Well, I have said it many times, so I am not going to repeat myself.

I just think SW is of better quality than you make it appear.

I have a life, and SW is not my life, nor does it occupy my life, but I love movies, and SW are phenomenal!

Btw., here is some of my music, if you like to check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/user/alienadin

I am a guitarist/composer.
Let me know what you think.

May the force be with us! IT certainly will in fall next year!!!

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by threefiftyrocket

I've said numerous times that I support George and what he is doing with the movies, I just wish that he would do the same thing as was done with other movies, namely Blade Runner, Lord of The Rings, the WB release of Payback, or the numerous other movies that are available as original cuts and directors cuts. I would GLADLY buy the entire super duper, Special Greedo Shoots first/Jabba is in A New Hope/Hayden Christiansen in Jedi if it included both versions. I've said that I enjoy the Special Editions when I want to watch the entire Saga. But I also prefer the OUT. I just would prefer that one be included in the Super Duper Boxed Set, and I would DEFINITLY pay a premium price if it did.

I think the problem with that approach is one I alluded to earlier, you can't find nearly anyone who agrees on everything. We would need some seamlessly branched version that would need toggles on each altered/deleted scene. Scoring would be interesting on that, to say the least.

I wouldn't be displeased if the OT purists got the trilogy they wanted, of course (though I wouldn't buy it myself), I just don't expect it to happen.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Spike Killer

While not perfect, I do appreciate the fact that the original trilogy was released on DVD, even if it was a Laser Disc transfer. As a result I don't have to download it, deal with a Laser Disc, and I can finally retire my VHS copy. Because it is still better than the VHS copy from 1996.

WOW!!!! Someone who actually looks on the positive side for once!! Kudos to you!!!

Originally Posted by Spike Killer

The only problem with Episodes 2 and 3 in my opinion is Hayden Christensen. I think he is terrible and not suited for the epic style character that the role required.

People enjoy watching THX-1138. That movie is beyond terrible. :shudder:

Hayden was awesome, particularly in ROTS!! No other actor could have pulled it off so brilliantly!! I am very grateful he was chosen for the role!

So, I take it you don't like meaningful movies then?!?!?


THX:1138 is excellent, and has one of the best endings of all time, and the director's cut made the movie even better!

You should give it another try, but being open-minded might help.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You're right, people with cancer don't complain as much as OT trilogy purists.

FYI: I wasn't calling anybody anything, just listing things that probably won't be solved/cured/disappear in our lifetimes.

Sad but true! Even cows in a slaughterhouse are more appreciative for what they've got.

[wormraper]

*shudder, Hayden christiansen was one of the worst things about he prequels. He made Luke look like a mature and wise man compared to the whiny 14 year old temperament of Hayden. Just look at Hayden's other movies, proves the guy can't act worth sh!t

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Uxi

I think the problem with that approach is one I alluded to earlier, you can't find nearly anyone who agrees on everything. We would need some seamlessly branched version that would need toggles on each altered/deleted scene. Scoring would be interesting on that, to say the least.

I wouldn't be displeased if the OT purists got the trilogy they wanted, of course (though I wouldn't buy it myself), I just don't expect it to happen.

I don't either, sadly .

And it doesn't have to be seamlessly branched, they could always include it on another disc...

Edit: Or I would even be super joyed to have a Standard Definition bonus of just the OUT on the blu ray version, with DD 2.0 sound, not remastered. Just give it to me in Anamorphic Widescreen pleeeeeeze. I would buy the ENTIRE super boxed set if it was included like that. I am happy I got my 2006 DVD's with the OUT on them, I just HATE it being window boxed on my TV

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

There is very little return...the majority of people are not you or me. I wish some of you would understand this. We on here are nuts, we double dip on movies, we want them in their best form possible, we want the OAR....all of this stuff. The rest of the world does not care about all this stuff and guess what, the rest of the world is a lot more then me, you and the rest of us here on website like this. With the special edition out, the average joes of the world wil not go out and by another edition with the original version, some of us will on here of course but the rest of the world won't. The rest of the world is were the money is. Don't assume that because these movies made tons of money in theaters and everyone watch them on TV that the majority know about the changes and the difference. Make a poll of the average movie watcher and I bet you that most of them won't even know that so many changes have been made to the original, why? Because they don't care. You and I, we care about stuff like that, the average customers do not.

How do you know that people do not care for the originals? Unless you have concrete facts, this is your opinion as I have mine, nothing more. Is this the market Lucas is going for in your opinion, the people that really do not care? I cannot go along with that.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by beardmoen

How do you know that people do not care for the originals? Unless you have concrete facts, this is your opinion as I have mine, nothing more. Is this the market Lucas is going for in your opinion, the people that really do not care? I cannot go along with that.

Box office results as well as SE VHS and DVD sales results.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Beast

Box office results as well as SE VHS and DVD sales results.

those results mean absolutely NOTHING unless compared directly to a release of the original trilogy that is on par and same day and date as the SE's. Believe me my major and my job was VERY heavy on statistics and without properly balanced variables then the results are nothing but mental masturbation

[GuruAskew]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Honestly, wouldn't it make more sense for Anakin to change himself into a friendly father figure, than some young guy who's around the same age as Luke?

I'm convinced that the real-world reason for the change is to give the audience some connection to the character as opposed to the "hey who is that guy next to Obi-Wan and Yoda?" effect you get with Sebastian Shaw. You only saw him for the first time moments before and he looked substantially different than he does in ghost form.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by wormraper

*shudder, Hayden christiansen was one of the worst things about he prequels. He made Luke look like a mature and wise man compared to the whiny 14 year old temperament of Hayden. Just look at Hayden's other movies, proves the guy can't act worth sh!t

I think that was the idea, chief: Luke is wiser, humbler, more level-headed, and more mature. That's why he succeeded where others failed. Anakin is meant to be a deeply flawed character, arrested in a "childish" stage of emotional development because of separation from his only parent. Luke went through all the same challenges as Anakin, (aside from a messy love-interest), and came through with a totally different outcome. He is supposed to be a person of greater moral character than his father.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by supercutz

So the SW trilogy although a cultural phenomenon and a piece of historic cinematic work that changed Hollywood forever isn't worth the time/money to remaster and will not sell yet tons of other movies with a far lesser significance/audience/fanbase do and have been released (see your local retail store for 100s of examples)?

Not only do you under estimate the fanbase, you under estimate the power of double dipping. Hell, Hollywood has made it their M.O. to get as much money out of consumers as possible with lesser known and not-as-popular movies being released again and again. Sure the SEs will sell just fine. Most SW fans will jump on the Saga release without hesitation (myself included) next year. That has absolutely no impact on whether or not the OUT will sell well later if remastered and released on Blu-ray. You are totally discounting a whole generation (or two) of SW fans that grew up with and prefer the OUT over the SEs. Sure most of those fans will settle for the SEs but don't think for a minute that many of the original trilogy SW fans would not buy the OUT if they had a choice.

I don't know how you arrive with your figures/percentages as it can't be based or compared on anything done in the past with regards to SW releases. The only meager exception was that lame stunt Lucas pulled by throwing the LD master of the OUT on a separate disc on the DVD re-releases (double dip for the bonus disc) but didn't even care to remaster it to be anamorphic so it fit on people's 16:9 sets properly. It was a piss poor job that most fans didn't want to waste their money buying because it looked horrible. So if that is your example, don't be fooled because Lucasfilm didn't put forth any effort.

And I believe you over estimate the fan base and what they actually want. There seem to be a lot of people wanting to have a restoration of the OT cause you see them here, posting about it day after day. Mister everyday out in the real world does not care about little details the way we do here.

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

And I believe you over estimate the fan base and what they actually want. There seem to be a lot of people wanting to have a restoration of the OT cause you see them here, posting about it day after day. Mister everyday out in the real world does not care about little details the way we do here.

I do agree. I honestly believe that it comes to this with respect to which edition is available, Lucas puts it out and everyone buys it. I think it's Mr. Lucas trying to con us with excuses for not releasing the pre-SE editions and that is just a damn shame.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by SellmeyourDVD

Yes, it CAN!

And if you say otherwise, then you're telling me my opinion is wrong, which will then mean you are contradicting yourself!!!



HA!!!

If you're a robot, your head just exploded

Originally Posted by SellmeyourDVD

I know, I'm just being goofy

I thought it was funny...

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Indyjones

Lucas did get Kersh's approval for the changes to Empire. The changes that Lucas made was what Kersh wanted as well.

Thanks for the follow up Indy. You happen to know or have the source?

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by MCT

He can abhor the original versions of the movies that made him who he is today all he wants. He clearly loves a profit even more, though.

what is with you people that seem like you're so opposed to having those versions come out? you guys are acting like Stormtroopers for Lucas. There is a very large segment of fans who will continue to pine for these movies to be released properly, and we're never going to go away. Ever. Get used to it.

Oh, one day you will...we all will...

[SethRex]

Originally Posted by GuruAskew

I'm convinced that the real-world reason for the change is to give the audience some connection to the character as opposed to the "hey who is that guy next to Obi-Wan and Yoda?" effect you get with Sebastian Shaw. You only saw him for the first time moments before and he looked substantially different than he does in ghost form.

I'm convinced now it's because Sabastian Shaw looked too old to be a 40-something year old Anakin Skywalker.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by MCT

what is with you people that seem like you're so opposed to having those versions come out? you guys are acting like Stormtroopers for Lucas. There is a very large segment of fans who will continue to pine for these movies to be released properly, and we're never going to go away. Ever. Get used to it.

There's a big difference between attempting to explain why it isn't going to happen, and "opposing" those releases. Pine away, no one can stop you. It's not going to change anything.