Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Uxi

I always thought it was 2-3 years between Ep4 and Ep6 and at most a couple weeks on Dagobah. Where'd you hear that? EU?

It's 3 years between EIV and EV. And roughly 6 Months to a Year between EV and EVI.

We also have to recall that Luke got almost no training in the period between EIV and EV.
The rough estimate of Luke's time on Dagobah from source material is 4-6 weeks.

Since Obi-Wan wasn't around as a Ghost training him. So yeah, Luke's training is very limited.

[sixteenvolt420]

These are movies i'd love to own steelbooks for, even though i'm not a steel collector. I'd love to own steels for all of my all-time favs.

[goldenrod]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

If he really did get training for only 2-3 weeks then the pay-off fight on the second Death Star becomes ridiculous. There's no way a piss poor trained padawan with no true experience with a lightsaber would be able to beat the Chosen One, even in a fit of rage and the Chosen One mutilated with injuries.

I always add the impression that he was on Dagobah a couple of days only. It's hard to beleive that full weeks happened between the evacuation of Echo Base and the events on Cloud City.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by sixteenvolt420

These are movies i'd love to own steelbooks for, even though i'm not a steel collector. I'd love to own steels for all of my all-time favs.

I would love Digibooks myself. Especially now that Fox is releasing their first one.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by goldenrod

I always add the impression that he was on Dagobah a couple of days only. It's hard to beleive that full weeks happened between the evacuation of Echo Base and the events on Cloud City.

Remember that the Millenium Falcon had a inoperable hyperspace drive.

And when Han checks the charts, he notes that Bespin/Cloud City are pretty far away but he thinks they can make it. Where as Luke's ship's hyperdrive was still active. So it sorta fits the timeline. As Luke makes it to Dagobah fairly quickly, where as Han and Company have all their problems before reaching Cloud City.

[Chiyo_chichi]

Originally Posted by DJ_NachoMan

I hope one day to sit down with my own children and watch Star Wars with them.

You know what sucks? Because the movies are "old" or "classics" and pop culture icons, spoilers literally don't exist for the movies. I really would hate if the Father reveal got spoiled but it is inevitable.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Actually they say Luke got 2-3 years of training at least, the events of IV-VI supposedly take over a span of 6-7 years. It still wasn't anywhere near the proper training real Jedi got which is why I refrain from calling Luke a Jedi Knight like most fans do. He never knew his parents, he was stuck on a dustball most of his life and the only family he knew was blasted to death by the Empire.

Well, I'd have to go back and watch the movie again, but the whole thing doesn't seem at all like 2 or 3 years to me.

I really don't get the impression that the events that are happening with the rest of the characters (Leia, Han, Chewbacca) later in the movie are happening 2 to 3 years after the events on Hoth at the beginning. It really doesn't seem like "years" went by inbetween their departure from Hoth and their arrival at Cloud City. Heck, neither Leia or Han even change their clothes at all during that time until after they arrive at Cloud City, at which point Lando gives Leia that dress to wear.

Luke wearing the same clothes the whole time holds a little more water since he might not have a change of clothes with him, but after two or three years, those clothes would have been A LOT nastier than they otherwise were.

I would think that when Lando mentions that Vader isn't after them (Leia, Han etc.) and is after "somebody called Skywalker", while they react in a surprised manner (mainly due to Luke being the target), they don't react like "We haven't seen him in ages!"

Plus, there's the issue of Luke's ship. Isn't it in the swamp most of the time he is there? I would think that 2 or 3 years (even just a few months) of it just being under swamp water would REALLY screw that ship up and render it inoperable. We already have to suspend disbelief that the thing works after being under the swamp water for any length of time, but not THAT long. I know this is a work of fiction, but come on. With how into the "used future" Lucas was, I don't think he would over look that.

Not to mention that Luke doesn't really seem to tell Han or Leia where he is going when he takes off to go find Yoda. R2-D2 thinks they are going to meet up with the others, but Luke changes the course. If he were going to be gone for a period of years, I think he would have told his friends that he was going to be gone THAT long.

No, no, no! None of what you are saying adds up at all!

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Well, I'd have to go back and watch the movie again, but the whole thing doesn't seem at all like 2 or 3 years to me.

I really don't get the impression that the events that are happening with the rest of the characters (Leia, Han, Chewbacca) later in the movie are happening 2 to 3 years after the events on Hoth at the beginning. It really doesn't seem like "years" went by inbetween their departure from Hoth and their arrival at Cloud City. Heck, neither Leia or Han even change their clothes at all during that time until after they arrive at Cloud City, at which point Lando gives Leia that dress to wear.

Luke wearing the same clothes the whole time holds a little more water since he might not have a change of clothes with him, but after two or three years, those clothes would have been A LOT nastier than they otherwise were.

I would think that when Lando mentions that Vader isn't after them (Leia, Han etc.) and is after "somebody called Skywalker", while they react in a surprised manner (mainly due to Luke being the target), they don't react like "We haven't seen him in ages!"

Plus, there's the issue of Luke's ship. Isn't it in the swamp most of the time he is there? I would think that 2 or 3 years (even just a few months) of it just being under swamp water would REALLY screw that ship up and render it inoperable. We already have to suspend disbelief that the thing works after being under the swamp water for any length of time, but not THAT long. I know this is a work of fiction, but come on. With how into the "used future" Lucas was, I don't think he would over look that.

Not to mention that Luke doesn't really seem to tell Han or Leia where he is going when he takes off to go find Yoda. R2-D2 thinks they are going to meet up with the others, but Luke changes the course. If he were going to be gone for a period of years, I think he would have told his friends that he was going to be gone THAT long.

No, no, no! None of what you are saying adds up at all!

Yeah was just going by what I was told about the trilogies but I'm guessing it was just another one of Lucas' lies.

[Beast]

Doesn't fit the official timeline either. So yeah, Luke was on Dagobah at the most 4-6 weeks.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

Yeah was just going by what I was told about the trilogies but I'm guessing it was just another one of Lucas' lies.

How is that one of Lucas' lies? Someone else tells you something that's wrong, and it's Lucas fault?

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Beast

Doesn't fit the official timeline either. So yeah, Luke was on Dagobah at the most 4-6 weeks.

Wow so much for the Chosen One's training from Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda if he was taken down by a Padawan that got trained for like 2 seconds.

[TheWildWhelk]

Originally Posted by goldenrod

I always add the impression that he was on Dagobah a couple of days only. It's hard to beleive that full weeks happened between the evacuation of Echo Base and the events on Cloud City.

The actual sequence is Luke on dagobah for several weeks, and then asix month gap where the events of Shadows Of The Empire take place, then on to events at jabba's palace. Shadows also explains how jabba becomes so powerful compared to the character from ANH.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Beast

I would love Digibooks myself. Especially now that Fox is releasing their first one.

If they do, I hope there are normal BD cases, too. I like the uniformity of my BD collection, especially compared to the monstrosity that DVD became.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by DJ_NachoMan

I don't post often on any forums but i somewhat feel the need to chime in here as a hardcore Star Wars fan. While I may only be 26 years old and my opinion may not be as important as some of the other senior hardcore fans who lined up to see the original in 77 - i feel compelled to say the following:

I am and always will be a huge fan of the Original Trilogy. Prequels, while they are good in their own way will NEVER match anything that the OT was able to accomplish. Perhaps with the exception of saber fights and FX. In terms of story and character development the Prequels are pretty offensive....But with that being said I can say i welcome all 6 films being released on blu-ray with open arms....

I must conclude that with each and every single re-release of the original trilogy i am happy with the changes. With the exception of The Han / Greedo scene everything is fine to me. I DO NOT CARE who shoots first, it's the awkward twitch that Han makes to avoid the laser blast that bugs me.....

Additionally, i can't personally understand the grudge that a large portion of fans have against the changes made to the Original Trilogy. They are so few and far between that the majority of people barely notice them....Yes Boba Fett's voice is changed, some walls are removed to show bespin, Some of the old model X-Wings are replaced with CGI, an Ewok song is changed, a few scenes are changed here and there (for the better imho) but nothing that drastically effects the film. It's still the same film....moreover, when you factor in the fact that each film is roughly 2 hours and 20 minutes long, i would guess there are less then 15 minutes of DRASTIC changes to each of the original films. It doesn't seem like much of a factor to me.....

I can relate and understand George's desire to continuously update and re-tinker with HIS films. I was watching his interview with John Stewart at Celebration V and he admits the only reason he was so successful was his inability to bend over for anyone and be stubborn. The fact that he stuck to his guns and made what he wanted was the only reason Star Wars was such a success. I can't imagine what it would have turned out like if Fox was able to manipulate George to change things around. Star Wars is what it is because George is a stubborn a-hole, i say let him keep doing so....

Star Wars is arguably the most successful film franchise in history and he is creating it for a new Generation of fans. This is apparent with the Prequels and especially the merchandising, video games, and the Clone Wars cartoons. The fact that he is improving the Original Trilogy in an attempt to appeal to his new generation of fans shows his love of the franchise as he simply won't let it die. Some may call this greed - but i see it as a way to keep your dream and hard work alive.

I hope one day to sit down with my own children and watch Star Wars with them. Hopefully they won't simply disregard the films because they are "OLD". I find a lot of kids this generation simply won't watch a film because it appears to be old and dated. Maybe they are spoiled by today's standards of film where the picture quality and FX are at a certain level - but kids HATE old movies..... I hope that George's attempts to immortalize the Original Trilogy will keep generations of fans (old and new) interested.

I know i'm going to get burned for this post but i feel i have made some valid points here which some will agree with and i respectfully understand those who do not. I thank anyone who took the time to read my long winded post. If my Star Wars fanboyism is in question feel free to check my Home Theater Gallery and you will see. Please mind the photos are quite out of date - I replaced that old LCD with a UN46B8500 =).

I think this is well said and well stated. I am 28, and have been a DIE HARD (no silly not John McClain) Star Wars fan since I can remember. I am also a DIE HARD (stop thinking I'm Bruce Willis!!!) film fan. Although I do find the changes interesting, and I support George with changing HIS films, I still think the OT was a TESTAMENT to film making and ahead of its time. I like that film makers can re-edit their films YEARS after the fact to make changes that suit them. What I don't like, is the fact that once these changes are made, the originals are no longer offered. The Star Wars films (while still the same story overall) are no longer a Testament to their time, with all of the CG and animation being added (afterall, isn't that what the PT was for, to show what Star Wars is with CGI?)

Now I have sounded like a whiny fanboy because of my *****ing, I just think that like Lord of the Rings, Close Encounters, Blade Runner, WB UK release of Payback, to an extent, Gladiator, and numerous other titles that have released director's/extended cuts, the originals are almost always available for those that prefer the original cuts. I just think that if George truly cared about his fans, the ones that have been fans for years, he would cater to everyone, and not just the "It's HIS vision, and they are HIS movies" crowd.

I will say I have watched the Special Editions, and I guarantee I will watch them again, but for nostalgia purposes, for preference purposes, for whatever purpose, would it hurt him to just say "hey, you know what, some people may enjoy watching my original work, so I will include that too."

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

I may consider it but I still think the best order would be IV-VI and then I-III, still not sure how old I want my nieces to be before I show them the movies.

Well, if I had kids or were planning on having them (or if I'm ever in a situation where I have a niece or nephew to show them to) this is the order I would show them in:

IV-VI original versions

I-III

IV-VI newest 'special edition'



Assuming there is a way to keep the kid(s) away from the 'Vader is Luke's father' spolier, I think the OT is more effective when shown before the PT.

I would also like to show them the original versions first because despite Lucas's original intention, one of the things I like about the originals is not seeing Jabba the Hutt until Episode 6. We hear about him all throughout the first two movies, and we know he is after Han. There is a mysteriousness to him as a result during those first two movies if you don't already know what he looks like.

And it would just be nice to show them the movies as they first came out.


Then show them the prequels, showing the story (as poorly told as it may be) that leads up to the originals, then to see how it all connects together, watch the originals again, but this time with the added content.

[bandit29]

Originally Posted by Beast

Doesn't fit the official timeline either. So yeah, Luke was on Dagobah at the most 4-6 weeks.

Probably. I always thought it was shorter than that. ..Is there an official timeline?

Who thought the events of ESB was 2-3 years?

[Beast]

After watching the snoreville that is ANH, you'll probably have to bribe them to watch the others.

There's a reason that kids happen to enjoy the Prequel films better than the OT.

[goldenrod]

Originally Posted by DJ_NachoMan

I hope one day to sit down with my own children and watch Star Wars with them. Hopefully they won't simply disregard the films because they are "OLD".

My daughters are 6 and 4 and it's been like 2 years that they have watched a Star Wars movie if not longer. I brought my oldest to see Clone Wars on theaters and that was 2 years ago and she already knew Star Wars.

They prefer the PT (especially ROTS). With that, I learned to like the prequels. Remember in '77 when Star Wars was released, it was a movie for the kids except that it adults liked it very much. So Lucas always did Star Wars for the kids and since we loved those movies in our youth, we always loved them.

But when the TPM was released, we were no longer kids and those movies didn't have that same impact on the adults that we were, unlike the OT. While watching the PT with the girls, I re-saw me at that age and really understood that the PT, while not great movies, average Star Wars films, we're great kids movies, and that was always George's plan.

Don't get me wrong, they like the universe and don't try to pass Jango Fett for Boba Fett because they will tell you that you don't know anything about Star Wars.

Also, in what order to show them, go with the PT then the OT. They are still too young to understand all the complexity of the story and since they are kids, the more action they have the better and since the OT are more about the story than the action, they might lose interest in the movies and not watch them anymore.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by Beast

After watching the snoreville that is ANH, you'll probably have to bribe them to watch the others.

There's a reason that kids happen to enjoy the Prequel films better than the OT.

I imagine most younger people would watch them 1-6, which is an entirely different experience from watching them 4-6,1-3. They'd already know who Vader was, for example and could probably go through it.

But yeah, ANH reminds me alot of Star Trek, the Motionless Picture. Coincidence that they're from the same era?

[Beast]

Yeah, I tried a long time ago to introduce the OT to my Sister's kids.

They got bored and wandered off watching ANH. It's just not an engaging film for younger audiences now adays.

It was just so different and captured our imagination. It arrived at the perfect time to imapct our lives.

It's also why so many people put the OT on a pedestal, and ignore the same problems it has that are in the PT.