Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

He was trying to arrest Palpsee and simply holding his saber in such a way as to deflect the laser bolts back at Papsee. Pulpsuh could have stopped at any point but I guess he really needed a new face so he kept shooting himself with electric shockees.

But Mace was gonna kill him.

He even said something about ending it now & not "in the courts".

[Beast]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Yes but the original were so much better then the prequels, remember?

Indeed. Just like Jar Jar somehow is awful for saying "How Rude", yet noone cried about C-3PO saying it nearly 20 years earlier.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

But Mace was gonna kill him.

He even said something about ending it now & not "in the courts".

Indeed. Mace was going to kill him because he was too powerful and too in control of everything to remain alive.
That and Palpatine's possum routine and needing Palpy's help to find a means of saving Padme caused him to turn on Mace.

Star Wars Revenge of The Sith - Master Mace Windu' s Death - YouTube

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Beard Esquire

I agree. I think these films can and should look so much better than this and we should have gotten the newest transfers possible. George counts on the fact that most of the fans have no idea what an amazing transfer should look like. We need to educate the masses instead of bashing him and then we will have a grand army of the republic and we'll march onto Skywalker Ranch and demand what is ours.

I agree, but how many times does it have to be re-iterated - All the added effects work was done on the 2004 masters. They CAN'T do new scans without re-doing every new effects shot as well. I'm not apologizing for Lucas here, just saying... people make comments with little regard as to the details behind them. It's not just that "easy" to strike new masters in this case.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by Beast

You might want to watch the movies again since you weren't paying attention. It's outright stated to be the case.

And even if it wasn't, do people really need everything spelled out for them? They clearly didn't for the OT films.

Guess we really do need a little animated Lucas popping up every scene to explain things for those who don't pay attention.

George, once Anakin began is training, you never once had Anakin express any remorse or feeling or regret or acceptance or anything concerning leaving his Mom. When she was in danger you showed that he got worried, but nothing about the jedi way and relationships is ever explained. Can they visit their parents? Can they even think about them? Can they have a dog? Are jedi kids just yanked from their families? Do they have a choice? What happens if they say no? Are they force neutered? You could have a lot of dark jedi running around otherwise. It's kinda important to know this stuff George.

I 'm glad you are able to fill in all the gaping holes yourself. I wish I could ignore stuff and just buy Jar Jar figures like you do. More power to you.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

One of the greatest mysteries of this entired thread, they just keep watching over and over movies they hate so much. Make's you wonder about certain people at times?

There's a show (or was) in the UK where people write in their points of view, it's called Points Of View. I remember back in the days when there was decent stuff on television before Empire took over. If there was something salacious on people would write in and complain:

Dear Points of View

I can't believe the amount of filth that was on display in your new 9 o'clock program, I was appalled and sickened by what I saw, I just couldn't believe it! 60 unbridled minutes of titillation!

For six weeks I have tuned in religiously to report back on this dreadful waste of licence fee payers money and has it changed? No! It just gets worse and worse each week.

I also bought the book, VHS and commemorative novelty cake which was also disgusting..... I hate cream!

Hopefully the 2nd series....

[Weirded Wonder]

Originally Posted by Beast

Star Wars Revenge of The Sith - Master Mace Windu' s Death - YouTube

That is the worst scene of the entire PT. I love how the 2 Jedi do not even make an attempt to defend themselves. The first guy doesn't even look like he's paying attention. The only reason Pulps is getting hurt is because of himself. Mace isn't even holding his saber with any type of resisting force to indicate he's expelling any energy to hold his blade up. Face palm

[NYorker]

Originally Posted by Beast

Indeed. Just like Jar Jar somehow is awful for saying "How Rude", yet noone cried about C-3PO saying it nearly 20 years earlier.

C-3PO was a character. Jar Jar was a caricature.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by The Doof

George, once Anakin began is training, you never once had Anakin express any remorse or feeling or regret or acceptance or anything concerning leaving his Mom.

We don't see Anakin's training in the films. All we see is him accepted for training at the end of TPM.
But Anakin's feelings about being seperated from his mother is stated clearly 3 times in TPM. And refrenced in AotCs.

When she was in danger you showed that he got worried, but nothing about the jedi way and relationships is ever explained. Can they visit their parents? Can they even think about them? Can they have a dog? Are jedi kids just yanked from their families? Do they have a choice? What happens if they say no? Are they force neutered? You could have a lot of dark jedi running around otherwise. It's kinda important to know this stuff George.

Might want to pay attention to the discussion of the council in TPM about Anakin.
And Anakin and Padme's talk on the Refugee Transport when they're headed to Naboo.
It's also fleshed out in the Clone Wars episodes that show the recruitment of Jedi children.

I 'm glad you are able to fill in all the gaping holes yourself. I wish I could ignore stuff and just buy Jar Jar figures like you do. More power to you.

They're not gaping holes if you bother to pay attention. It's all there in technicolor clear as crystal.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by NYorker

C-3PO was a character. Jar Jar was a caricature.

Both are characters. And I find Jar Jar to be a better one. Different Strokes.

BTW, some would consider the "Prissy Droid" to be a big caricature as well.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by Beast

We don't see Anakin's training in the films. All we see is him accepted for training at the end of TPM.
But Anakin's feelings about being seperated from his mother is stated clearly 3 times in TPM. And refrenced in AotCs.

Might want to pay attention to the discussion of the council in TPM about Anakin.
And Anakin and Padme's talk on the Refugee Transport when they're headed to Naboo.
It's also fleshed out in the Clone Wars episodes that show the recruitment of Jedi children.

They're not gaping holes if you bother to pay attention. It's all there in technicolor clear as crystal.

Oh ok. Now I see. Thanks.

[double_l4488]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

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It's just hard to argue about, because to me, I look at Ewan and Hayden in that final scene and there is a CHASM between their acting abiltiies. Hayden is just completely outmatched. It's not a debatable thing, to me, it doesn't depend how I look at it or grow on me over time or anything, it's not something I can explain, because it's just 2 performances on clearly different levels. To borrow from Peter Griffin, I'm just very aware that I'm watching a movie when Hayden is acting.

Wrong, its a very debatable thing in that instance. Hayden was really good at going dark and being very brooding. He was not good when he has to have romantic scenes and basically just normal talking scenes. Ewan is a solid actor in alot of movies, but is usually imo, just playing Ewan, with excpetion of Trainspotting..

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

I'm with you in spirit, dude, if you go back and check my posts over the past 2 days I have railed against the DNR in Phantom Menace, to the chagrin of many a user here.

You make a petition, I'll sign it... but I think as in the case with the FOTR EE green tint issue, it's simply too big a release, and we will be a drop in the bucket. Still, I'm willing to put my name on it. I'd love to see TPM on par with AOTC and ROTS. I'd also love a remaster of ROTS audio to bring it on par with TPM and AOTC. Kind of an uneven set.

Unfortunately, I neither know how to create an online petition, nor do I have time..., but someone should.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

One of the greatest mysteries of this entired thread, they just keep watching over and over movies they hate so much. Make's you wonder about certain people at times?

Star Wars and Empire are flat out excellent. Even with the additions and the face-lifts the good far, far, far outweighs the bad. These two I can watch over and over.

Clones and Sith have some pretty terrible writing and some awfully bad story-telling choices but overall the good outweighs the bad. I can watch parts of these fairly regularly and occasionally I can watch them start to finish.

Phantom Menace and Jedi are flat out terrible. They have their good points but those good points are far outweighed by the tedious and the just plain bad. I'll watch these again if B&N ever ships my discs but they're firmly in Godfather III territory: I would love for them to be good but they're not. They're just not.

There you go. Mystery solved.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by double_l4488

Wrong, its a very debatable thing in that instance. Hayden was really good at going dark and being very brooding. He was not good when he has to have romantic scenes and basically just normal talking scenes. Ewan is a solid actor in alot of movies, but is usually imo, just playing Ewan, with excpetion of Trainspotting..

No, he wasn't. He was terrible at that.

This is where we're going to have to diverge, because there is absolutely no possibility of me seeing this differently. It's like trying to convince me that grass is orange. Hayden was a terrible actor when presented with any kind of challenge. Keep him in the middle and he's just wall-paper. Put him to one extreme or another (anger, love) and he is downright terrible. It's like he doesn't even feel emotions, so he's incapable of displaying them. Like if you tried to explain love to a robot.

"If you're not with me... you're my enemy. Don't. Make. Me. Kill. You. Good Morning, Dave."

Gonna have to agree to disagree, because there's no way I can give his performance that much credit. The best I can say about it is that, at times, in 'Sith', his bad acting stopped distracting me and annoying me long enough that I could focus on the movie instead of him.

[double_l4488]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

Gonna have to agree to disagree, because there's no way I can give his performance that much credit. The best I can say about it is that, at times, in 'Sith', his bad acting stopped distracting me and annoying me long enough that I could focus on the movie instead of him.

Yeah agree to disagree then. As much as I found his and Portman's acting distracting in AOTC and parts of episode III, the parts where hd go goes dark, like yelling "liar". When I first saw it was shocking he could change personas that quick.

[Bluyoda]

I have just finished watching TESB, and so far, I love this set, with a few exceptions.

Did anyone see the super DNRd shots of Coruscant, right after the not so happy landing of Anakin, Obi Wan, and Palpatine?????

ANH looks pretty good, and there is lots of detail, but audio, although dynamic, has quite some distortion to it, so to even compare it with any of the PT movies is laughable at best.

I'd say ANH PQ: 4
AQ: 3,5

TESB looks and sounds excellent:

PQ: 4,5
AQ: 4,5

TPM

PQ: 3,5
AQ: 1000000000000000000000000000

AOTC

PQ: 4-4,5
AQ: 100000000000000000000000000

ROTS

PQ: 4,5+
AQ: 5

I have watched many of the extras, including the Spoofs, which I found very funny, and I was extremely pleased to see my favorite Robot Chicken episodes in there, as well as Natalie Portman kicking serious ass of SW nerds who ask stupid questions. It made me laugh so hard!!!

Also watched The documentary on the 501st legion, and found it to be very entertaining, and even moving.
I normally never care about these things, but it's a great docu IM, and GL CLEARLY cares about his fans.

I particularly like the ROTS interviews with John Knoll!!!

Awesome stuff.

The Steven Spielberg animatic of the the Obi Wan/General Grievous fight sequence is INSANE!!!
I am glad it wasn't used. It would have been crazy expensive, and way too long, but it sure was a great exercise for him. Lol

All in all, I am VERY happy with this set.

Is it perfect? No, of course not.

Seeing the old Yoda puppet in TESB made me cringe, and wish for the ROTS Yoda, but what ultimately matters the most is the story, and I have a VERY vivid imagination, so I can actually imagine that the puppet is real, but I hope GL will replace it someday.

The DNR transfer of TPM is a shame, despite looking 100 times better than the atrocious DVD.

The grain and detail in ANH, and TESB looked very natural to me, though I did spot a few spots with DNR applied in ANH, but it was very minor, and not distracting.
Black levels could be better in all the movies, which means: They are usually great, but sometimes too bright, sometimes there is crush.
However, I can totally live with it.

The lighsaber inconsistencies didn't bother me much, and the few boxes around the TIE fighters I saw in TESB passed by quickly enough too, but, of course, I would have liked to see them fixed, since they supposedly went through the movies frame by frame.
There are still quite a lot of matte lines visible, and the model work is a bit shaky, but I can live with it.

Star Wars on Blu-ray is such a gift!

May the force be with us!

Can't wait to watch ROTJ tw., and then the whole Saga all over again!

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by OneWayFilms

There is something called RIGHTEOUS ANGER, followed by righteous judgmnent. Even Jesus had it when casting the money changers from the temples.

But I believe it was HATRED they were suppose to avoid.

"Beware...Anger, fear, aggression...the Dark Side are they."
-- Yoda, Empire Strikes Back

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

[Show spoiler]I have just finished watching TESB, and so far, I love this set, with a few exceptions.

Did anyone see the super DNRd shots of Coruscant, right after the not so happy landing of Anakin, Obi Wan, and Palpatine?????

ANH looks pretty good, and there is lots of detail, but audio, although dynamic, has quite some distortion to it, so to even compare it with any of the PT movies is laughable at best.

I'd say ANH PQ: 4
AQ: 3,5

TESB looks and sounds excellent:

PQ: 4,5
AQ: 4,5

TPM

PQ: 3,5
AQ: 1000000000000000000000000000

AOTC

PQ: 4-4,5
AQ: 100000000000000000000000000

ROTS

PQ: 4,5+
AQ: 5

I have watched many of the extras, including the Spoofs, which I found very funny, and I was extremely pleased to see my favorite Robot Chicken episodes in there, as well as Natalie Portman kicking serious ass of SW nerds who ask stupid questions. It made me laugh so hard!!!

Also watched The documentary on the 501st legion, and found it to be very entertaining, and even moving.
I normally never care about these things, but it's a great docu IM, and GL CLEARLY cares about his fans.

I particularly like the ROTS interviews with John Knoll!!!

Awesome stuff.

The Steven Spielberg animatic of the the Obi Wan/General Grievous fight sequence is INSANE!!!
I am glad it wasn't used. It would have been crazy expensive, and way too long, but it sure was a great exercise for him. Lol

All in all, I am VERY happy with this set.

Is it perfect? No, of course not.

Seeing the old Yoda puppet in TESB made me cringe, and wish for the ROTS Yoda, but what ultimately matters the most is the story, and I have a VERY vivid imagination, so I can actually imagine that the puppet is real, but I hope GL will replace it someday.

The DNR transfer of TPM is a shame, despite looking 100 times better than the atrocious DVD.

The grain and detail in ANH, and TESB looked very natural to me, though I did spot a few spots with DNR applied in ANH, but it was very minor, and not distracting.
Black levels could be better in all the movies, which means: They are usually great, but sometimes too bright, sometimes there is crush.
However, I can totally live with it.

The lighsaber inconsistencies didn't bother me much, and the few boxes around the TIE fighters I saw in TESB passed by quickly enough too, but, of course, I would have liked to see them fixed, since they supposedly went through the movies frame by frame.
There are still quite a lot of matte lines visible, and the model work is a bit shaky, but I can live with it.

Star Wars on Blu-ray is such a gift!

May the force be with us!

Can't wait to watch ROTJ tw., and then the whole Saga all over again!

Glad you are digging it.

I am also really happy with it. I have a lot of gripes, obviously, because of how much I wanted it to deliver, but overall, I am proud to put it on my shelf.

I feel like if you had the option to seamlessly branch the OT to watch the UOT or the AOT, the OT would be more or less ideal, even with the Lowry fake grain stuff occasionally being distracting. I found Jedi's picture to vary from really soft to overly sharpened, but apart from the fake grain the other two movies look excellent, especially Empire.

For the PT, get rid of the excessive DNR in TPM and AOTC so all 3 movies look as good as 'Sith' and fix Sith's audio so it's as powerful and dynamic as TPM/AOTC and that set would be a grand-slam.

As it is, still happy to own it and I'll dig into the special features soon.

[red_5ive]

Originally Posted by The Doof

[Show spoiler]Hiya all youssa!

Just watched TPM! PEEEEYOUUUUUUSSSAAA!!!!!!!! What a terrible film. It was sort of fun to watch it from a purely masochistic nostalgia-type perspective, but I doubt I'll ever watch it again.

MY GOD George the Great Creator is a bad writer! The scene where Anakin must leave his mommy is the perfect example. All Lucas had to do was establish a bit of urgency - like, "hey, it's life or death for the kid! and his mom makes the ultimate sacrifice in letting him go!" And establish Anakin can't come back, no way, no how. the way that scene is written it's like Anakin is leaving for summer camp. his mom should have died. lucas is all for "rhyming" his trilogies right? what an idiot that Creator is. meesa disappointed.

oh, and they are slaves? they have a better apartment than i did during college years. and a cool car. lots of toys and pallies and fruit too. and a ton of money from gambling. rough life. good writing Creator. what was the point in making them slaves? some kind of moses angle? it sure wasn't to make the kid bitter, that's for sure! too bad the Creator forgot to follow up and have Anakin come back to free all them slaves. that would have actually worked as a way to introduce conflict between the "turn a blind eye" jedi and anakin. oh well, at least I got to see R2 remote-steered through space-shit. they didn't even remove that stupid rod betwen R2's legs.

one more thing: can someone explain how Maul gets the better of Obi-wan? i guess because it said in the script "Obi-wan then loses fight" that's what happens. But meesa very, VERY confoosed. oh, and it's good to have the high ground in a sword fight is it? i wish lucas would put a "no........noooooooooo" over Maul as he watches Obi-wan sail over him, land squarely on two feet, take a big back swing and then slice him in two. i guess like with obi-wan not using force speed, Maul was very tired then.

I remember seeing that scene in the theatre on opening night. that audience was so pumped and so looking for something, anything to applaud during that movie that there was a smattering of applause when Maul died. but then there was this nervous laughter from everyone at how forced and lame the clapping was. i have never attended a quieter, more somber premiere.

[Show spoiler]God, I could go on and on. we all could. all of these things are just examples of lazy, very poorly thought out "surface" writing. Secret chambers "on the waterfall side" and secret guns. Embarrassing. Apparently the Creator's favourite phrase is "good enough" these days. Oh to be 6 again.

I saw a 2AM screening opening night, and it was exactly the same. The crowd cheered when the fox logo appeared, seemingly to the beat of the drums, but by the time the credits ran the clapping and reaction seemed forced as if everyone wanted to like it, but at the same time didn't know what to think. A nervous yet somber energy was in the air.

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

Are you kidding? EVERYTHING about the first Star Wars movie seemed exiting when it was brand new. Nobody had done anything remotely as exciting in terms of special effects, back in 1977. Plus the final duel was the only time in the whole movie when you got to watch 2 characters wielding lightsabers and actually using them to, you know, have a duel.

[Show spoiler]

For me, personally, some of the effects in ANH started looking and feeling old even as early as 1980, though. But that's only because ESB was so much more sophisticated than its predecessor, both in terms of storytelling and in its special effects.

I remember that as far back as 1980, I started thinking the lightsabers in the latest movie looked a bit better than they had in the 1st one.

I completely agree. I think it's important to also note what was different then versus now is we didn't have 10 billion entertainment choices, either. There was nothing remotely close to Star Wars at the time that it really blew everything out of the water. People/fans talked about it for months, perhaps even years, and when IV had a re-release a couple of years or so later, lines once again wrapped around the theater. There was no home-video to spoil the experience and appreciation. A "movie plex" also had a whopping TWO screens. We had time for films - whether great or not - to really sink in, whereas now you have 16 - 20 choices, and when you're done with one it's on to the next. This is not my critique of today's time, it's just a different world of entertainment where special effects are often more important than ever, and is one reason why today's generation can appreciate the PT over the OT. It's somewhat ironic, however, how much the OT itself influence this. Anyway, I will always prefer the OT over the PT, but to a certain degree I can respect Lucas' attempt to make a movie that fit more with today's crowd, even if I feel the PT was a failure by comparison. Conversely, if TPM had released in 1977, it would have been a visual and technical marvel and would likely have garnered blockbuster praise on those merits alone.