Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

One of the laziest, most lifeless performances I've ever heard.

Yup, you don't get much more phoned in than those new voiceovers. Robbed the character of all of his weight in every scene he was in.

Originally Posted by Lentulus Batiatus

A bunch of lunatics screaming "GIVE US THE UNALTERED VERSIONS IN PRISTINE RESTORED BLU-RAY QUALITY NOW OR I WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER WATCH STAR WARS AGAIN" isn't any company I'd want to keep.

Yeah, because that's exactly what's going on here.

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

I just looked & there have been thousands & thousands of posts removed from this thread ~ The whining will never stop

How many? Just curious.

[Takeshi666]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

I dont forsee the uncut versions ever coming out. I wont hold my breath.

Me neither. It isn't even so much because I've given all hope...well, maybe it's because I have, but I just can't be bothered to care anymore. The casual disregard Lucas has had towards the legacy of the OT has made me similarly indifferent towards the whole franchise as a whole. The only reason I talk about it is when I see threads like these; not something I would normally concern myself with. Besides, I prefer Star Trek.

It isn't even because of some "Lucas ruined my childhood" thing - I got the special editions on VHS in 1997 and I enjoyed them then, but that doesn't mean anything - I was like 13 years old, I didn't know any better.

[HomerThompson]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Nope not until they put back Boba's original voice not that stupid kiwi accent.

Don't be racist!

Seriously though, people who like the prequels (like me) don't mind the little spot of continuity. I do prefer the Emperor change instead of monkey lady that they originally used.

Anyway, I'd be happy with both versions. But this conversation is like some Twilight Zone episode that never ends (page 2,375). Our children's children's children will be carrying on the fight when we download movies directly to our brains.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Bob Schlapowitz

Is it just me or was the first "No" clipped from the line "No. I will deal with them myself"?

I mean the added ROTJ "No".

My money's on it being an outtake from Sith, just like HaydenGhost was.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Or LucasFilm signs a limited theatrical distribution deal with Fox for the new trilogy in exchange for final rights to the original Star Wars film...unless that hasn't already happened with the Prequel deals in the late 90's. Not up on who owns the rights to the fist Star Wars. But Fox getting the third trilogy distribution monies for a limited time would please fans, as they'd get their Fox fanfare before the films started. And at the end of the contract, LucasFilm would finally own everything related to Star Wars.

Distribution isn't ownership, by the way. Distribution simply means booking theaters and sending prints and the distributor takes a cut of the grosses. The big studios own their own distribution arms -- Walt Disney and Roy Disney created their own after growing frustrated with RKO, Lucas never created his own distribution company.

I know distribution isn't ownership, but IF a new SW set is going to get released...somehow/someway Fox will be in the logisitics chain. Either by stamping their logo and shipping it out, or in a buyout, or, as you said, if they cut a deal with Disney.
Now I'm not as well versed on Disney lore as you, Ernest, which is why I was wondering if Disney doesn't mind working with another big company. Off the top of my head I can't recall if Disney has ever done anything like that before? Which is why I would think, with their deep pockets, they would rather just buy Fox out of the picture(no pun intended) totally.
So with Ep.7 due in about 16 months, I wonder if cutting a deal is even possible...I guess it is, then they could rush everything "to the presses". Just seems like a real longshot(never tell you the odds, I know) to get out a new set, let alone the UOT, to usher in/advertise the new film.
I get your reasoning, about Disney wanting to extend an olive branch, and I really hope that branch is extended, but the timeframe just seems very tight, with so many things in play, right now.

[Geoff D]

Of course Fox would be involved in a new set, they're contractually bound to distribute the existing films! LFL make the content, design the packaging etc, while Fox do the printing, replication and distribution. That's how it's worked for decades, and there's nothing Disney can do to change it without buying Fox out of that contract.

But they didn't jettison Paramount when they took over Marvel, so why wouldn't they do the same now with Fox? As I said before, they're happy to kick back and let others do the donkey work while the contract runs down. I don't see why this is such a hard thing for people to grasp. I mean, I'm sure Disney want to get a return on their $4 billion outlay but a new, wholly Disney-owned and produced Blu-ray release* would be a drop in the bucket and a theatrical run of the original originals wouldn't get close to the $138m take of the '97 SE of Star Wars.

No, they'll start to make some mega coinage with the new movies, hence the slate of approximately 197 films for the next few years, so buying out Fox RIGHT NOW doesn't make any sense to me because they've got bigger fish to fry.



*of which they wouldn't see 100% anyway because THEY would then have to shoulder the cost of replication, advertising and distribution

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I know distribution isn't ownership, but IF a new SW set is going to get released...somehow/someway Fox will be in the logisitics chain. Either by stamping their logo and shipping it out, or in a buyout, or, as you said, if they cut a deal with Disney.
Now I'm not as well versed on Disney lore as you, Ernest, which is why I was wondering if Disney doesn't mind working with another big company. Off the top of my head I can't recall if Disney has ever done anything like that before? Which is why I would think, with their deep pockets, they would rather just buy Fox out of the picture(no pun intended) totally.
So with Ep.7 due in about 16 months, I wonder if cutting a deal is even possible...I guess it is, then they could rush everything "to the presses". Just seems like a real longshot(never tell you the odds, I know) to get out a new set, let alone the UOT, to usher in/advertise the new film.
I get your reasoning, about Disney wanting to extend an olive branch, and I really hope that branch is extended, but the timeframe just seems very tight, with so many things in play, right now.

Disney worked with Paramount in the early 80's, sharing the costs and risk on POPEYE and DRAGONSLAYER. Neither film did well, and Disney and Paramount parted ways. Thanks to Steven Spielberg, Warner Bros. and other famous toon studios allowed the use of their characters in WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT. Disney and Lucas paired up at the theme parks for STAR TOURS and the various Indiana Jones attractions, etc. etc. For a more modern example, though, the live-action division of DREAMWORKS hangs its hat at Disney, but Spielberg's LINCOLN wasn't distributed by Disney outside North America (20th Century Fox did most of the international heavy lifting). Disney owns Marvel, but Sony owns production rights to Spider Man, as Fox does with the X-Men characters. Disney traded Al Michaels to NBC/Universal in exchange for the Oswald cartoons...they all compete, but sure, they work together, too, from time to time.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Disney owns Marvel, but Sony owns production rights to Spider Man, as Fox does with the X-Men characters. Disney traded Al Michaels to NBC/Universal in exchange for the Oswald cartoons...they all compete, but sure, they work together, too, from time to time.

Not to mention all the fun and games with the theme park rights...Disney and Universal have competing theme parks just a few miles away from each other in Orlando, but Disney can't use Marvel characters in their park, and Universal has an entire section devoted to Marvel in theirs, due to old contract issues that don't look to be resolved any time soon - which has created a merchandising situation (one of the most profitable areas in theme park business) where Universal is selling the merchandise and then having to give a cut to Disney.

That's yet another reason I am sure Disney has whatever needs to be sewn up sewn up in terms of their purchase of Lucasfilm - we can speculate all we want, but I find it hard to believe that we are going to come up with anything Disney hasn't already thought of before they spent 4B on Lucasfilm, especially since Disney is a publicly traded company. I have extreme doubts that they would have completed the purchase without ensuring that whatever arrangements needed to be made were in place to exploit the franchise as they see fit. I find it difficult to believe they didn't learn that lesson from Marvel.

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

If that's supposed to mean I should accept a product I see as substandard when I know it's possible for a superior version to be released, no thank you.

That's not what I meant.

You don't have to accept the special editions.

I want the TC's in HD as well you know.

It's just so annoying that people have to get so bats**t crazy over it all and argue ad nauseam.

[Bruce Campbell]

When the Death Star is destroyed at the end of Jedi and it explodes has that crackling/clipping always been in the mix or is it just a screw up?

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Bruce Campbell

When the Death Star is destroyed at the end of Jedi and it explodes has that crackling/clipping always been in the mix or is it just a screw up?

That is actually Luke's hand burning up on re-entry. Brilliant foresight to include the little sound mix in there.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Bruce Campbell

When the Death Star is destroyed at the end of Jedi and it explodes has that crackling/clipping always been in the mix or is it just a screw up?

I don't recall hearing any crackling on the Definitive Edition laserdisc. Lovely PCM mix, that.

The sound effects throughout Empire's DVD/BD mix run very close to distortion as well, it's far too pumped-up and overcooked.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Elvis

In reality what worked best was his talent along with Kurtz and the others on Graffiti, Star Wars and TESB (that also included Kasdan and Kersh)

I re-watched the TESB (Blu-ray version) the other night for the first time in several years (I probably didn't even watch the entire film when the BD was released) and one of the things I noticed is that even though most people consider TESB to be the best of the films and even though Lucas didn't write the script or direct, there was still some really bad dialogue and some really bad line readings in that film.

Having said that, I did enjoy the overall experience and I think it's the overall experience that counts - not obsessing over errors and little changes that only the fanboys would notice. And as much as I like the idea of practical effects and classic animation techniques, the effects shots, even the re-done ones, are starting to look a bit creaky.

One thing I noticed that I never noticed before is that in one shot (I now forget which one), there is a set of Woodstock Wind Chimes hanging. That really made me laugh.

Someone else recently complained that the sound was distorted on TESB BD, but I didn't notice that at all. It sounded pretty good. One of the reasons I re-watched the film is because I acquired new front speakers (Aperion Versus Grand
Towers) and I wanted to see how the film sounded.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Having said that, I did enjoy the overall experience and I think it's the overall experience that counts - not obsessing over errors and little changes that only the fanboys would notice.

And people wonder why "the fanboys" get pissed.

Trust me. It's not just "the fanboys" who notice it. I could ask my sister and she would know.

[filmmusic]

It's not only the changes, it's just that you're watching an inconsistent thing that is quite kitsch if you ask me!

It's like the Star Trek original series. I can't understand how can anyone watch this series with the new effects.
You're watching a 60s series with 90s (or I don't know when) effects?
Totally inconsistent.

One of the first things I learned about art, is that it should have consistency!!

[PrestigeWorldwide]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

It's not only the changes, it's just that you're watching an inconsistent thing that is quite kitsch if you ask me!

It's like the Star Trek original series. I can't understand how can anyone watch this series with the new effects.
You're watching a 60s series with 90s (or I don't know when) effects?
Totally inconsistent.

One of the first things I learned about art, is that it should have consistency!!

I don't think the new FX in the remastered Star Trek original series are that jarring. It's mostly just small stuff like CGI ship passes, alien vessels, and planets that were redone and they were respectful to the original intentions. Not nearly as bad as the revisionist bs like CGI Jabba in ANH or the Jedi Rocks in ROTJ.

[Elvis]

No changes should be made whatsoever unless they also incude the original version as well. That goes for any film or TV show. They are a product of their time...that's almost just as important as the film itself. Look at all the posters, marketing designs and everything else that went along with Star Wars in 1977...it screams 70's and should always remain in the 70's.

[Bruce Campbell]

Originally Posted by Elvis

No changes should be made whatsoever unless they also incude the original version as well. That goes for any film or TV show. They are a product of their time...that's almost just as important as the film itself. Look at all the posters, marketing designs and everything else that went along with Star Wars in 1977...it screams 70's and should always remain in the 70's.

The King has spoken.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by Bruce Campbell

The King has spoken.

Thankuverymuch!

[Bruce Campbell]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Thankuverymuch!

I am listening to Elvis' Comeback Special on vinyl right now and that made me laugh.