Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Optimus]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

maybe she's just a stay at home mom.

Lucas wasn't afraid to let the Sith kick butt. i'm sure abrams will have the jedi crack jokes as they easily win every fight. will be a gay ole time.

i honestly do lol. my mom got me Megatron for christmas and one year a tie fighter with vader in it.


i don't see the Sith as villains. look, in the prequels there's probably hundreds of jedi and 2 Sith. yet yoda feels the need for 'the chosen one' to bring balance to the force lol. hundreds vs 2 but it won't be balanced until the 2 are killed! the jedi's are weak but come on.

then when Maul is discovered, (he attacks Qui gon but Qui gon runs because it wasn't 2 jedi vs 1 Sith), the jedi want to kill the Sith because heaven forbid a Sith should exist. so yeah, anytime hundreds of people feel it necessary to destroy 2 people, i would say the group with the hundreds are villains.

That's like saying Billy Zabka was the good guy in Karate Kid lol.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

then when Maul is discovered, (he attacks Qui gon but Qui gon runs because it wasn't 2 jedi vs 1 Sith), the jedi want to kill the Sith because heaven forbid a Sith should exist. so yeah, anytime hundreds of people feel it necessary to destroy 2 people, i would say the group with the hundreds are villains.

So I guess in your mind the Fellowship of the Ring and the Last Alliance were the villains for wanting to kill Sauron in LOTR? Damn, how old are you? 5? Its not about the numbers. It's the Sith's actions that make them villains. The Sith murder indiscriminately, torture, maim, corrupt, enslave, and are generally monsters. This is why the Jedi and any sensible person in that galaxy wants them gone.

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Okay, whatever, I'm not going to debate someone who doesn't understand a single element about how this franchise is supposed to work.

Call me whatever you want, but **** it, I'm out of this conversation.

okay. sorry.

Originally Posted by Funcha

Hilarious!

lol!

Originally Posted by OptimusL

That's like saying Billy Zabka was the good guy in Karate Kid lol.

i don't think he was

Originally Posted by Cook

So I guess in your mind the Fellowship of the Ring and the Last Alliance were the villains for wanting to kill Sauron in LOTR? Damn, how old are you? 5? Its not about the numbers. It's the Sith's actions that make them villains. The Sith murder indiscriminately, torture, maim, corrupt, enslave, and are generally monsters. This is why the Jedi and any sensible person in that galaxy wants them gone.

i honestly forget why Frodo and his friends hated Sauron. its been a long time since i watched those movies. i'm 32. anyway, jedi are taught to supress their emotions. people who supress their emotions often lack empathy or have an erosion of empathy. evil is scientifically defined as an absence of empathy. therefore the jedi are evil.

that is how the jedi were able to take anakin away from his mother and leave her to die a slave. it is also why the jedi forbid anakin to care about his mother. they teach him to supress his emotions and not feel empathy. it is not a very healthy way to live ones life.

if only anakin was an apprentice to Sidious earlier in life, his mother would still be alive. it is a shame when your caregivers only care for you for their own benefit.

jedi do whatever it takes to stay in power. they do what benefits themselves. it is why they form an alliance with the criminal Han Solo. it benefited them.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

anyway, jedi are taught to supress their emotions. people who supress their emotions often lack empathy or have an erosion of empathy. evil is scientifically defined as an absence of empathy. therefore the jedi are evil.

that is how the jedi were able to take anakin away from his mother and leave her to die a slave. it is also why the jedi forbid anakin to care about his mother. they teach him to supress his emotions and not feel empathy. it is not a very healthy way to live ones life.

if only anakin was an apprentice to Sidious earlier in life, his mother would still be alive. it is a shame when your caregivers only care for you for their own benefit.

jedi do whatever it takes to stay in power. they do what benefits themselves. it is why they form an alliance with the criminal Han Solo. it benefited them.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

i honestly forget why Frodo and his friends hated Sauron. its been a long time since i watched those movies.

Sauron desired the One Ring so he could regain his full power and enslave the world under his dark will forever. The whole point of the War of the Ring was to eliminate an ancient evil from Middle-earth once and for all.

Yes, the Jedi Order was a flawed organization by the time of its decline and destruction, but do you not completely get the idea of evil or villain motivation?

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by popeflick

Going back to the massive amounts of subterfuge he came up with in the lead up to Trek2 with Khan I wouldn't be surprised if this is simply an orchestrated smokescreen on his part. He seems to enjoy being clever and pulling one on fanboys and the like.

That's not the point...I want to know where PopeFlick read Abrams was upset about these recent "leaks".

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

okay. sorry.

lol!

i don't think he was


i honestly forget why Frodo and his friends hated Sauron. its been a long time since i watched those movies. i'm 32. anyway, jedi are taught to supress their emotions. people who supress their emotions often lack empathy or have an erosion of empathy. evil is scientifically defined as an absence of empathy. therefore the jedi are evil.

that is how the jedi were able to take anakin away from his mother and leave her to die a slave. it is also why the jedi forbid anakin to care about his mother. they teach him to supress his emotions and not feel empathy. it is not a very healthy way to live ones life.

if only anakin was an apprentice to Sidious earlier in life, his mother would still be alive. it is a shame when your caregivers only care for you for their own benefit.

jedi do whatever it takes to stay in power. they do what benefits themselves. it is why they form an alliance with the criminal Han Solo. it benefited them.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by chip75

The cartoon came first, it also led directly into the opening scenes of Revenge of the Sith. It aired in March 2005, with Episode III premiering in May, later that year.

Lucas says on the Blu-Ray commentary track he wanted a respiratory issue for Grievous as foreshadowing for Vader. Had nothing to do with the cartoon.

[Lyle_JP]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

i honestly forget why Frodo and his friends hated Sauron. its been a long time since i watched those movies. i'm 32. anyway, jedi are taught to supress their emotions. people who supress their emotions often lack empathy or have an erosion of empathy. evil is scientifically defined as an absence of empathy. therefore the jedi are evil.

that is how the jedi were able to take anakin away from his mother and leave her to die a slave. it is also why the jedi forbid anakin to care about his mother. they teach him to supress his emotions and not feel empathy. it is not a very healthy way to live ones life.

if only anakin was an apprentice to Sidious earlier in life, his mother would still be alive. it is a shame when your caregivers only care for you for their own benefit.

jedi do whatever it takes to stay in power. they do what benefits themselves. it is why they form an alliance with the criminal Han Solo. it benefited them.

As a disappointed Wolfgang Pauli once famously said to one of his students, "Not only is it not right, it's not even wrong."

He also once said to Lev Landau, "What you said was so confused that one could not tell whether it was nonsense or not." That applies too, I suppose.

[Elvis]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Lucas says on the Blu-Ray commentary track he wanted a respiratory issue for Grievous as foreshadowing for Vader. Had nothing to do with the cartoon.

I trying to figure out why he even wanted that Ernest? Sounds pretty damn silly if you ask me. We need foreshadowing for something we all know is going to happen.

All it did was make an non needed character even more STUPID looking and sounding than he already was.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by Elvis

All it did was make an non needed character even more STUPID looking and sounding than he already was.

It also made half the audience wonder why a robot was coughing.

[BLUgrass]

I liked Grievous.

Man, Star Wars passion runs deep

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Sauron desired the One Ring so he could regain his full power and enslave the world under his dark will forever. The whole point of the War of the Ring was to eliminate an ancient evil from Middle-earth once and for all.

Yes, the Jedi Order was a flawed organization by the time of its decline and destruction, but do you not completely get the idea of evil or villain motivation?

okay Sauron was definitely evil then.

in the Zahn trilogy novels it was said there was more law & order under the Empire's rule and many people liked it.

for some reason while watching the prequels i got the sense that the jedi's were cruel when they separated anakin from his mother. i'm not saying Sidious isn't a bad guy sometimes but i think the jedi's motives are questionable also. if i'm wrong okay. it was just a different way of looking at things.

Originally Posted by Lyle_JP

As a disappointed Wolfgang Pauli once famously said to one of his students, "Not only is it not right, it's not even wrong."

He also once said to Lev Landau, "What you said was so confused that one could not tell whether it was nonsense or not." That applies too, I suppose.

the level of confusion is sometimes directly related to the level of intelligence of the confused. lol i just made that up

[Lope de Aguirre]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

for some reason while watching the prequels i got the sense that the jedi's were cruel when they separated anakin from his mother. i'm not saying Sidious isn't a bad guy sometimes but i think the jedi's motives are questionable also. if i'm wrong okay. it was just a different way of looking at things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqF_...ature=youtu.be

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

in the Zahn trilogy novels it was said there was more law & order under the Empire's rule and many people liked it.

You should realize that's like saying the National Fascist Party wasn't so bad because it was good for Italy.

for some reason while watching the prequels i got the sense that the jedi's were cruel when they separated anakin from his mother. i'm not saying Sidious isn't a bad guy sometimes but i think the jedi's motives are questionable also. if i'm wrong okay. it was just a different way of looking at things.

Yes, it sucks that Anakin was separated from his mother, but at the same time it's not like Qui-Gon kidnapped Anakin by force, nor is the Order at large simply murdering families to acquire new students. The Jedi Order is a flawed, stagnant institution, but they aren't the villains in this equation.

You question the Jedi Order's motives but you seem to treat Palpatine's as inconsequential: it's okay to get rid of them because they're a bunch of bullies. Palpatine's motivation was to eliminate the Jedi Order so the Sith could destroy the Republic and conquer the galaxy. The dark side is all about exploiting the Force through fear, anger and hatred for personal gain and power.

Looking at things from a different perspective is fine, but that perspective needs to have some factual grounding. It can't just be contrary for the sake of it.

[Cook]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

okay Sauron was definitely evil then.


for some reason while watching the prequels i got the sense that the jedi's were cruel when they separated anakin from his mother. i'm not saying Sidious isn't a bad guy sometimes but i think the jedi's motives are questionable also. if i'm wrong okay. it was just a different way of looking at things.

Sorry for jumping on your ass about it last night. I also think the Jedi were insufferable douche nozzles in the PT lol just not the villains. Truth be told the star wars galaxy suffers because of the actions of both the Jedi and Sith, but the Sith are definitely the worse of the two groups by a large margin.

And yeah Sauron was the lieutenant of and trained under Morgoth who was an evil sadistic god of Middle Earth. Both Sauron and Morgoth got their jollies off by destroying beautiful things and torturing and maiming various creatures and people. Basically they took a shit on middle-earth and its people to spite Eru the Creator of Arda and the other gods of Middle Earth.

[mrpink134]

I read this http://finance.yahoo.com/news/star-w...150000465.html and find it amusing! I am so glad Disney owns Star Wars now.

[solaris72]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

in the Zahn trilogy novels it was said there was more law & order under the Empire's rule and many people liked it.

Yeah, I hear that crime on Alderaan is way down.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by solaris72

Yeah, I hear that crime on Alderaan is way down.

So is the population... The empire know how to implement great population control.

[Talzin78]

Originally Posted by solaris72

Yeah, I hear that crime on Alderaan is way down.

Okay I've grown to really enjoy the geek arguments on this thread, Its like a train wreck at ComiCon where a Tardis is stuck in a Star Destroyers Tractor Beam piloted by Captain Kirk. The Geek arguing is just epic...but this little commment actually made me chuckle out loud.