Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I'm just glad I like all 6(soon to be 7, and more) films. Seems easier that way!

How dare you buck the trend, LOL!

Does seem easier, and actually, alot more fun.

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Well to be fair, we're just having a rhetorical discussion pertaining to the title of "best". I enjoy all 6 too, even if my critical side has some issues here and there. But I definitely have an instinctive love for all the Star Wars films.

How much of that is nostalgia is hard to say (and that's not even really a bad thing at all). But I always have a wonderful time revisiting GL's saga.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

But we dont live in a vacuum. We should take heed to our peers and the masses.
We enjoy these films by ourselves and with others. Communal preferences do factor into this. Why even discuss this stuff if your only gonna listen to yourself?

As ive said before, i was an ESB dude but have switched over to SW. That doesnt diminish whatever popular status ESB has or make SW eclipse that popular opinion.

Take heed to the masses?

I dont think so.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

Take heed, sure, but not at the expense of having a mind of our own.

That's like saying everyone should agree that The Artist was the best film of 2011 because it won the Oscar. Or think that Citizen Kane is the best film of all time because it so often takes that place on many "best film" lists.

Funny you mentioning The Artist as I ignored it for a while thinking it was typical Oscar-bait. Then I watched it and realised it deserved the awards it got!

[Astro Zombie]

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

Funny you mentioning The Artist as I ignored it for a while thinking it was typical Oscar-bait. Then I watched it and realised it deserved the awards it got!

I agree, The Artist was fantastic.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

Well to be fair, we're just having a rhetorical discussion pertaining to the title of "best".

To be fair, it's kind of an odd bone of contention to chew on.

Star Wars is also my favorite of the OT, but at the same time I personally do agree with the common consensus that Empire is the best of the three. I feel like it's the most well made, most dramatic, and has the best story and plot. But Star Wars is still my favorite.

As another personal example: I don't really like Aliens that much compared to Alien, but I don't argue against the fact that the second film is most people's favorite; a consensus of opinion isn't really something that can be debated against like it's a fallacy.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

How dare you buck the trend, LOL!

Does seem easier, and actually, alot more fun.

I surrender! Take me away in chains!

Superior, inferior, lists, hypotheticals...not my cup o'tea. I just like or I do not like, there is no try!

[happydood]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Does not hold the water test as the acting and dialogue were awful...and "complex" means nothing really. I have heard plenty of "complex" in my life that was crap (at least to me).

I think you might have missed my point. I intended to say that some thought other elements of the prequels were so bad that they couldn't give the music a fair shake. And complex in this case means you can't summarily dismiss them without a little more thought. It's easy to turn your thumb down and call them crap, but I do think they warrant a more focused listen. If you don't, that's cool, but as with all things, you like what you like.

[JimDiGriz]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

To be fair, it's kind of an odd bone of contention to chew on.

Star Wars is also my favorite of the OT, but at the same time I personally do agree with the common consensus that Empire is the best of the three. I feel like it's the most well made, most dramatic, and has the best story and plot. But Star Wars is still my favorite.

As another personal example: I don't really like Aliens that much compared to Alien, but I don't argue against the fact that the second film is most people's favorite; a consensus of opinion isn't really something that can be debated against like it's a fallacy.

Aliens usually is most people's favourite - until they get a bit older

Im just as guilty!

[Aragorn the Elfstone]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

To be fair, it's kind of an odd bone of contention to chew on.

Star Wars is also my favorite of the OT, but at the same time I personally do agree with the common consensus that Empire is the best of the three. I feel like it's the most well made, most dramatic, and has the best story and plot. But Star Wars is still my favorite.

As another personal example: I don't really like Aliens that much compared to Alien, but I don't argue against the fact that the second film is most people's favorite; a consensus of opinion isn't really something that can be debated against like it's a fallacy.

I'll be the first to admit that, in continuing this line of debate, I let my own point get away from me a bit last night.

Bottom line - just because it's a consensus of opinion among a majority that a particular film is the "best", doesn't mean that everyone needs to accept that as a fact that cannot be challenged. That's all I was trying to say at the beginning of this whole thing.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Taking heed and following arent the same.

Theres a popular vote and your vote. One doesnt negate the other.

The Oscars arent a popular vote. Its one groups vote that promotes itself on TV.

No, it is who buys the most "votes"
Those awards ceremonies are such crap.

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Technically it wasn't supposed to be a stand alone film. He chose to make it one because he did not know how it would be received. He was more nervous than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest on the day of release. In fact he was so nervous he had to get away so he and Spielberg went to Hawaii together.

oh. i thought i read somewhere it was and he made up ideas for the other movies as he went along. thanks.

Originally Posted by popeflick

Half the negative stuff posted here amounts to little more than "Lucas sucks" which is basically trolling. And I find there to be very little explained criticism: look at elvis' post: "the acting and dialogue were awful." To which I'll point out two things: he offers no examples of good or bad dialogue and that amounts to little more than trolling. I'll also point out its a double standard found here: most threads have some criticism of the subject films but by and large people who don't like those films tend to go to different threads where they'll find positive things to say. Not so here. Here its perfectly fine to needlessly sh!t on Lucas time and time again.

i don't get it either. lucas made 6 pretty good Star Wars movies yet people put him down. it makes no sense lol. to spend months or years saying negative things about him or the movies is absolutely ridiculous and insane.

Originally Posted by STARKILLER--1138

No, it isn't written in stone, it's just been trendy to say ESB is the "best" for the last few years. I love'em all, but I also like ANH better. The opening still to this day gives me goose bumps.

yeah people like to do what's trendy lol. as soon as someone says, "ESB is the best Star Wars movie", or "Wrath of Khan is the best Star Trek movie", or statements like, "remakes are always inferior to the originals", i pretty much know they're just "sheep" following the trendy crowd.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

yeah people like to do what's trendy lol. as soon as someone says, "ESB is the best Star Wars movie", or "Wrath of Khan is the best Star Trek movie", or statements like, "remakes are always inferior to the originals", i pretty much know they're just "sheep" following the trendy crowd.

Hold on there chief. The Empire Strikes Back and Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan are the best from those series. That's just the way it is.

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by JimDiGriz

Aliens usually is most people's favourite - until they get a bit older

Im just as guilty!

i agree with that

Originally Posted by Batmon77

There is no set in stone.

But time always tells what remains. And ESB is still what i hear and read as the favorite. Thats not fact or truth, but just the masses speaking.

politicians understand the majority of the population, or "masses", are not very intelligent or ill informed. that's why complete idiots can get votes and win elections.

so yeah, if the "masses", agree something is the best, it probably isn't.

[returnofthemack]

I for one like the first Star Wars (episode 4) movie the best. Yes empire strikes back gets the most love but to me Star Wars is just fun where empire is moody and dark at times. I know I know... Most fans will say that's exactly
why empire is so good. All 3 of the movies from the OT are great though.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

i agree with that


politicians understand the majority of the population, or "masses", are not very intelligent or ill informed. that's why complete idiots can get votes and win elections.

so yeah, if the "masses", agree something is the best, it probably isn't.

What part of "Its Not Set In Stone" do u not get?

And your in one of the most POPULAR threads of one of the most POPULAR Franchises in film history, yet the masses are ill-informed.
Arent you part of this masses thread?

It like denying McDonalds has served over 8 Billion while in McDonalds.

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

What part of "Its Not Set In Stone" do u not get?

And your in one of the most POPULAR threads of one of the most POPULAR Franchises in film history, yet the masses are ill-informed.
Arent you part of this masses thread?

It like denying McDonalds has served over 8 Billion while in McDonalds.

As soon as McDonald's serves another 8 billion we will get the UOT on blu-ray.

[Filmmaker]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Hold on there chief. The Empire Strikes Back and Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan are the best from those series. That's just the way it is.

Except that the best ones are actually RETURN OF THE JEDI and STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK, so there's that...

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Aragorn the Elfstone

Even if more people prefer one over the other, it still doesn't make it "set in stone". A popular opinion is still that - an opinion.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by Filmmaker

Except that the best ones are actually RETURN OF THE JEDI and STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK, ALIEN 3, THE LAST CRUSADE, SUPERMAN III, RISE OF THE MACHINES, BLADE 3, SPIDER-MAN 3, MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, and GODFATHER III, so there's that...