Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by popeflick

I have a hard time believing this because on a project of that importance they'd certainly create proof of work/concept scans prior to setting off and doing two complete films.

Indeed. If they were unsure they'd scan a reel, send it to Lowr....Reliance, and see what they could do with it. You don't do three entire movies then decide that the work isn't up to snuff - although Disney did bury the 3D versions of eps II and III even though they were completed, but that could simply be down to the regime change wanting to go in a different direction. There's so much bullshit going around about these 4K versions, who owns what etc etc, I wish Reliance had never put it up on their site.

I also wish that guy in that link would stop calling them "conversions". It's one thing to say you've got lots of sources, but if you can't even get the nomenclature correct then one wonders if you know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by rickah88

Is this /b/ in disguise?

Nah, there's not enough gay thundercat porn.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Nah, there's not enough gay thundercat porn.

Is that a thing...you know what scratch that...I don't even wanna know! :mindblown:

I say we steer the conversation toward the Kessel Run, and all it's intricacies!

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Last I heard, you can't command a professional film set using only a smartphone and a laptop, either...

You've seen Blair Witch Project and Clerks, right?

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Ebert's commentary tracks on Citizen Kane and Dark City are legendary...of course, he was a produced screenwriter, so I guess "non-filmmaker" doesn't count.

Critics like Ebert are the exception. He's actually worked in the film industry. He has experience. How many of the top critics right now have written a film and have in-depth experience making a film? Not many.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

You've seen Blair Witch Project and Clerks, right?

Both films made by people having received film/television education.

[popeflick]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Both films made by people having received film/television education.

LMAO at kryptonian who is now clearly waking back his absolutists statements about how DVD commentary teaches you the equivalent of a film school degree.

Here's a food hard truth: kryptonic would still be a PA - no matter how many commentaries he's digested - on his first film gig which would amount to little more than getting coffee and yelling "rolling" and "cut".

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

The Dark Knight has a 94 on Rotten Tomatoes and it made over a billion dollars. Clearly both critics and movie goers don't know anything about film.

Occasionally, art and commerce mix, as it did with the original Star Wars before it was completely dissected and disassembled in the internet era. I think The Dark Knight is so loved because of Heath Ledger's remarkable and unexpected take on his character.

But having said that, I don't trust the Rotten Tomatoes ratings all that much because while, as per my previous post, I have a lot of respect for the great critics, there are also a lot of incredibly bad critics out there. Also, I think over the last decade, our expectations have been lowered so much, that even publications like The New York Times give somewhat positive reviews to incredibly awful mainstream films. Of course the reverse is also true - there are critics whose egos are so big that they hate every film they see.

[moviecriticsonline]

8 Great Fan-Made 'Star Wars: Episode VII' Posters

http://beverlynews.blogspot.com/2014...isode-vii.html

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by popeflick

LMAO at kryptonian who is now clearly waking back his absolutists statements about how DVD commentary teaches you the equivalent of a film school degree.

As someone with both a bachelor's degree in film and a voracious consumer of the bonus featured discs cited, I'll say this:

DVDs/Blu-rays for films like the Abyss, Terminator 2, Lord of the Rings and the Alien films may contain encyclopedic information about how films are made, but they tell you nothing about how to make a film, for which a guided experience can be an enormous advantage.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

But you don't have to go to film school in order to make a movie anymore. The days of learning to operate certain equipment is gone. The days of complex photo chemical film is over. The access to top shelf equipment to make a good looking film is greater than it's ever been. I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it's the truth. There's no greater evidence of this than the drop off rate in attendance at film schools.

You don't go to film school to learn how to use equipment. I attended film school and not one course had anything to do with using equipment - it was just assumed that you would figure that out. I already knew a lot because I was working as a recording engineer while I was in school. I think you might be confusing trade schools with university courses. When I was in film school, first year film students were using 16mm Bell & Howell cameras with wind up motors. The handles were all broken off and door knobs were used instead to wind the cameras. The equipment had nothing to do with anything - either you knew how to tell a story visually or you didn't.

You go to film school to understand the language of film in ways that most people can't by simply "going to the movies". You go to film school to learn how to write. You go to film school to learn what it means when you edit images together. You go to film school to learn how to "paint with light".

If you have nothing to say, film school is a waste of money. Film school can't give you something to say, it can only assist you in how to say it by providing a perspective on how it's been done during the last 100 years.

The drop off rate in attendance at film schools is probably more attributable to the ridiculous increase in tuition rates as well as the desire of people to graduate into jobs into which they can make lots of money. Unless you walk out of film school and into working in a senior role on a feature film, you won't be making very much money. I do know some younger people who are now execs in the movie industry working for a major studio, but they paid dues for ten years, spending many of them as practically unpaid interns.

If you go to film school, you have to direct to be noticed and you only get to direct if you can write, because no one who writes (in film school) wants someone else to direct their film.

I'm not claiming that going to film school is a good investment and I'm also not claiming that it's the only way to get educated about filmmaking, but whether it's a good or bad idea, it has almost nothing to do with the equipment available.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

You've seen Blair Witch Project and Clerks, right?

These were before SmartPhones existed.

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by Elvis

Yes I"m sure you know more about film than say the late Roger Ebert.

lol no but i work and don't have time to watch movies all day.

but then again, i can google any movie and find out ten times the info that bonehead knew so yeah, i'd say i do know more.

[sarah_wentworth]

Originally Posted by peckinpah

Are Star Wars boards full of people who've "written, directed, or produced an oscar winning [sic] movie or a movie that made minimum 100,000 million [sic] dollars at the box office"?

i doubt it

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

I know why. Is it because no one on Earth has written, directed, or produced a movie that made a minimum of a hundred billion dollars?

tee hee oops

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

That may be true about internet critics, but it's not true about the great newspaper and magazine critics. Pauline Kael, Andrew Sarris, Roger Ebert, Gene Siskel, David Edelstein, Vincent Canby, Janet Maslin, A.O. Scott, François Truffaut (yes, the director was also a film critic), J. Hoberman and André Bazin was or are great writers and analysts with a deep understanding of film, history, literature, art and critical analysis.

Their opinions are more worthy than those you see on the internet (and in crappy publications) precisely because of their understanding of those fields.

You don't have to agree with their opinion on any one film. But you have to appreciate their ability to analyze films backed by their knowledge of everything else.

Those who think that all opinions are equivalent are part of the dumbing down of western culture. The fact is that while everyone is entitled to an opinion, all opinions are most certainly not equivalent. Because most opinions expressed on the internet have all the intellect of your "critics suck garlic sausage" comment.

anyway i don't recognize most of those names and unless they've won awards in the field they are criticizing then i don't care

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

lol no but i work and don't have time to watch movies all day.

but then again, i can google any movie and find out ten times the info that bonehead knew so yeah, i'd say i do know more.

Stay classy San diego

[Takeshi666]

Originally Posted by sarah_wentworth

anyway i don't recognize most of those names and unless they've won awards in the field they are criticizing then i don't care

This isn't tumblr.

[RayCRP]

I came in here expecting Star Wars discussion. I've been around these boards long enough to realize that was my first mistake...

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by KaineKinetic

These were before SmartPhones existed.

Exactly! They didn't have access to most of the equipment that today's young filmmakers have and yet they still produced successful art.

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

As someone with both a bachelor's degree in film and a voracious consumer of the bonus featured discs cited, I'll say this:

DVDs/Blu-rays for films like the Abyss, Terminator 2, Lord of the Rings and the Alien films may contain encyclopedic information about how films are made, but they tell you nothing about how to make a film, for which a guided experience can be an enormous advantage.

Oh please. It's the same thing. You can read a handful of books that will tell you how to budget a film, construct sets cheaply, etc. It's not rocket science.

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Both films made by people having received film/television education.

That was not the point of contention in this case. The point was that the filmmakers behind both films had very little as far as equipment and budget and yet still managed to produce successful lasting films.

[Kryptonic]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

You don't go to film school to learn how to use equipment. I attended film school and not one course had anything to do with using equipment - it was just assumed that you would figure that out. I already knew a lot because I was working as a recording engineer while I was in school. I think you might be confusing trade schools with university courses. When I was in film school, first year film students were using 16mm Bell & Howell cameras with wind up motors. The handles were all broken off and door knobs were used instead to wind the cameras. The equipment had nothing to do with anything - either you knew how to tell a story visually or you didn't.

Then why go if they're not going to teach you how to use a camera, lenses, editing software, etc.? That just makes them even more useless.

You go to film school to understand the language of film in ways that most people can't by simply "going to the movies". You go to film school to learn how to write. You go to film school to learn what it means when you edit images together. You go to film school to learn how to "paint with light".

"Language of film?" Please. Whatever that means, you don't have to take an expensive course to understand film. It's art. It's meant for everyone, but some people want to act like you need a masters degree to decipher Mulholland Drive.

If you have nothing to say, film school is a waste of money. Film school can't give you something to say, it can only assist you in how to say it by providing a perspective on how it's been done during the last 100 years.

[Elvis]

Well to wrap this up I guess film school did nothing for George Lucas then. He had three great films with Gary Kurtz, one with Kasdan and several with his ex wife. When he got rid of them it was like going downhill on a rocket sled with no brakes...need I mention all the epic train wrecks?

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by wormraper

Stay classy San diego

Hey you leave Ron Burgundy out of this!