Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

I want to see the ultimate boxset that includes all 4 major cuts of the original trilogy, as well as digital codes for all 4 cuts, and a 105 page book discussing the making of the movies.

But that's just me dreaming. I know that won't actually happen.

It might, someday, but I would guess with these digital versions coming out now a new box set this year is off the table.

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by svenge

Exhibit 1 against your opinion:



What so-called "logic" allows for a young Hayden Christensen to be a Force-ghost while Obi-Wan is still Alec Guiness instead of Ewan McGregor and Yoda is the old mustachioed puppet instead of the ridiculous fighting bouncy-ball CG version found in Episode II?

My take is that it's more of GL giving a giant middle-finger to those who didn't like the prequels by sticking it to OT fans one last time.

I can refute that easily because Lucas has basically said why he changed it to Christensen but I'm not going to at the moment. It's too long of an explanation. It has everything to do with Lucas' interpretation of the Force.

And the bold...just stupid. That has seriously nothing to do with it. Nothing.

[filmmusic]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I hate the company, but you are not looking at a finished release, the could still change the timing

Yes. For starters teal is missing.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Poya

Lowry, now Reliance Media Works, has worked on 4K 16 bit remasters of the original trilogy, and if their recent restoration reel is anything to go by, it's yet another screw job:

4K Remaster:

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Contrast to Despecialized Edition:

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Embarrassing that someone without much resources and money like Lowry can make a better looking image.

The HD Despecialised Edition uses the Blu-rays as the source wherever possible, hence the eye-searing colour, contrast etc. And I'm all for a bit of screenshot science, but how 'bout we wait until the actual Lowry masters are released instead of sticking the boot in over a bunch of shots in a sizzle reel?

As for the Bologna boys, they're not perfect. I've hated the colour/gamma of most of their recent remasters, and the heck of it is the Lowry Star Wars grab above looks uncannily like something they'd put out, yet here's it's being destroyed just because it's Lowry. Heh. After being bowled over by various recent Lowry remasters, I've got every faith that they'll come good with Star Wars second time around*.


*not applicable to dvdmike

[RBBrittain]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

I want to see the ultimate boxset that includes all 4 major cuts of the original trilogy, as well as digital codes for all 4 cuts, and a 105 page book discussing the making of the movies.

But that's just me dreaming. I know that won't actually happen.

Actually, I now believe no Star Wars BD (other than Ep IV/ANH) will come with digital codes before 2020, unless there's some unannounced moves by Disney & Fox.

The reason is not ANH; Fox clearly owns all rights to that film, and this release confirms that. The problem is split rights to the other films (ESB, ROTJ and the PT): While Disney now has digital rights to those films, there is NO indication for now of Fox releasing its physical rights to those films before 2020. (If that were in the works, why aren't the existing OT, PT & Complete Saga BD sets on moratorium?)

Assuming Fox still has full control of all OT & PT BDs until 2020, it would be easy for them to throw in a UV slip for ANH; but I do not see them including DMA slips for the others. Maybe other changes are coming -- especially if the UOT rumors are true -- but if not I doubt we'll see a full set with digital codes till 2020, when Disney will fully own eight of the nine films; Fox would then likely either sell ANH to Disney, or at least license it for the super-duper Complete Saga set.

[Angel Eyes]

Originally Posted by RBBrittain

Actually, I now believe no Star Wars BD (other than Ep IV/ANH) will come with digital codes before 2020, unless there's some unannounced moves by Disney & Fox.

The reason is not ANH; Fox clearly owns all rights to that film, and this release confirms that. The problem is split rights to the other films (ESB, ROTJ and the PT): While Disney now has digital rights to those films, there is NO indication for now of Fox releasing its physical rights to those films before 2020. (If that were in the works, why aren't the existing OT, PT & Complete Saga BD sets on moratorium?)

Assuming Fox still has full control of all OT & PT BDs until 2020, it would be easy for them to throw in a UV slip for ANH; but I do not see them including DMA slips for the others. Maybe other changes are coming -- especially if the UOT rumors are true -- but if not I doubt we'll see a full set with digital codes till 2020, when Disney will fully own eight of the nine films; Fox would then likely either sell ANH to Disney, or at least license it for the super-duper Complete Saga set.

[RBBrittain]

Originally Posted by Angel Eyes

Who is DanielH and why should he be believed over anyone else?

He's the moderator of Vudu's forum, and a senior Vudu employee; he's certainly more reliable than some random M-GO CSR. That CSR's email reads like a Tier 1 guy who doesn't know what he's talking about.

Originally Posted by Angel Eyes

Did I go over your head, or just burst your bubble?

[coffeeman]

with the way technology is advancing, there will be so much cgi and touch ups done to the originals they wont even look like they were filmed in the 70s and 80's. 50 years from now before I kick the bucket, the latest box sets will have new actors super imposed into the original star wars, and all new space ships etc etc. shit they might even put jajabing into a new hope as lukes house pet!

so I am predicting star wars 7 will gross 600 - 700 million worldwide at the cinema, then another 300 million from cable, ppv, blu ray, and tv,
dont have a clue about merchandise, but it will be hundreds of millions.
disney is gonna make some serious money from the next 3 movies.

and they still want to fleece us for digital copies! LOL

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The HD Despecialised Edition uses the Blu-rays as the source wherever possible, hence the eye-searing colour, contrast etc. And I'm all for a bit of screenshot science, but how 'bout we wait until the actual Lowry masters are released instead of sticking the boot in over a bunch of shots in a sizzle reel?

As for the Bologna boys, they're not perfect. I've hated the colour/gamma of most of their recent remasters, and the heck of it is the Lowry Star Wars grab above looks uncannily like something they'd put out, yet here's it's being destroyed just because it's Lowry. Heh. After being bowled over by various recent Lowry remasters, I've got every faith that they'll come good with Star Wars second time around*.


*not applicable to dvdmike

Wait, what did I do now?

[Thequanglewanglequee]

Yes, at this years Star Wars Celebration it will be announced that the original theatrical trilogy will be released on Blu-ray and DVD during the 4th quarter of this year.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by Thequanglewanglequee

Yes, at this years Star Wars Celebration it will be announced that the original theatrical trilogy will be released on Blu-ray and DVD during the 4th quarter of this year.

Someone else with inside information!

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

He knew exactly what the criticism would be. He just doesn't care.

See, for him, it's not about the generation that loved and worshiped these films. It's about the generation(s) after that will see the Saga as I-VI, not as separate trilogies, hence the changes. Not to mention, if you've read any books on the guy, he's a serious perfectionist. The original trilogy has never matched what he had in his mind's eye. Having said that, I do think he knows when he's gone to far, when the integrity of the films is destroyed, which in my opinion, he's never even remotely crossed that line. The fanbase would probably disagree but I don't think he has.

It's not really hard to see his logic.

I honestly can't agree with the bolded part.
He didn't go all out to do the SE. He just tinkered with them, first to test if the things he had in mind for the prequels could be done in an affordable fashion, and then to match the OT to the PT a bit better, but he never really fixed all the issues...far from it.
That's my criticism of him.
He should have gone all the way IMO.
Either way, fans complain.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by coffeeman

so I am predicting star wars 7 will gross 600 - 700 million worldwide at the cinema

It'll clear $1.25 billion. Easy. The only real question is if it'll surpass Avatar.

[Deathbymonkeys]

Originally Posted by captveg

It'll clear $1.25 billion. Easy. The only real question is if it'll surpass Avatar.

Yeah I think personally this will do 5-600 million opening weekend at least. Maybe more.

I also think it will be the third movie ever to open over 200 million in the US.

[ChipmunksDad]

Originally Posted by coffeeman

with the way technology is advancing, there will be so much cgi and touch ups done to the originals they wont even look like they were filmed in the 70s and 80's. 50 years from now before I kick the bucket, the latest box sets will have new actors super imposed into the original star wars, and all new space ships etc etc. shit they might even put jajabing into a new hope as lukes house pet!

so I am predicting star wars 7 will gross 600 - 700 million worldwide at the cinema, then another 300 million from cable, ppv, blu ray, and tv,
dont have a clue about merchandise, but it will be hundreds of millions.
disney is gonna make some serious money from the next 3 movies.

and they still want to fleece us for digital copies! LOL

I believe Disney/Buena Vista will smash the studio box office record with what they have in the pipeline for 2016:

A good chunk of the Star Wars box office will roll into 2016 with the late in the year release.
Jungle Book - Iffy
Captain America - Cash cow
Alice in Wonderland
Finding Dory
Pete's Dragon - Iffy
Star Wars: Rouge One

If not 2016, then 2017...

Rouge One left overs
Beauty and the Beast
Star Wars VIII
Pirates 5
Toy Story 4

[stvn1974]

Originally Posted by captveg

It'll clear $1.25 billion. Easy. The only real question is if it'll surpass Avatar.

I can see $1.6 billion worldwide but no way does it get above $2 billion for James Cameron to have to start worrying.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

I can see $1.6 billion worldwide but no way does it get above $2 billion for James Cameron to have to start worrying.

I don't think it will, either. But I think #3 is a lock (well, depending on what Age of Ultron does). The only reason I think it has a slight chance to catch Avatar is that it's a December release, which will allow it to play in theaters longer than if it was a summer release.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by Jumpman

He knew exactly what the criticism would be. He just doesn't care.

Which is totally the wrong attitude for somebody to have if they happen to be the steward of one of the biggest and most beloved franchises in entertainment history.

Originally Posted by Jumpman

See, for him, it's not about the generation that loved and worshiped these films. It's about the generation(s) after that will see the Saga as I-VI, not as separate trilogies, hence the changes.

I don't get it. How is adding rocks in front of R2 or making Greedo shoot first or shoehorning in CGI additions that already look more dated than the original effects going to help future generations appreciate the Saga more?

Originally Posted by Jumpman

It's not really hard to see his logic.

His logic? Look man, maybe this is just where you and I differ, but I don't care how much of a perfectionist somebody might be (and if he truly was one by the way, he would fix the things that arguably do need fixing rather than just making nonsensical changes here and there), I just can't see the logic in somebody who thinks that creating an alternate version of your film that pleases you more means you can't also properly restore and release the original version that means so much to so many people.

If it really bothers him that much to have the original properly released alongside his preferred version, then that's his damn problem, it shouldn't have to be ours as well.

But then again, I guess all this is pretty much irrelevant now since he's no longer calling the shots anymore.

[DetroitSportsFan]

I just saw a commercial that tomorrow on Good Morning America they're going to do a story about the "secrets of Star Wars".

[stvn1974]

Lucasfilm employee comes home from work, asks his kid how school went and then kisses wife on the cheek. She asks him how work was and he says "Oh, the same as yesterday, we are ruining Return Of The Jedi for the next few weeks, should keep us busy.