Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Xenonas]

Originally Posted by ahossein79

And I'll never understand people's pathological need to bash the prequels when it has been over 10 years now GET OVER IT!!! If your disappoint of the prequels keeps you up at night than you are beyond hope, and to the people who think the same way you should really rethink your priorities and reassess your lives or lack their of

Unfortunately those ten years didn't improve the quality of the prequels one bit. The turd might have dried up, but it is still exactly that - a turd. Also gotta love that rage at the end of your post. Get over yourself.

Originally Posted by Blu Warrior

I love how you guys go on and on about Star Wars being ruined because of a few changes and the prequels and yet did you happen to see how many people went to Celebration? Did you notice how many people watched the teasers on youtube? Its not ruined for them. Only for the few of you who seem to whine over and over about UOT nonsense.

I don't really see your point here and this kind of thinking and attitude pisses me off more than anything. It's kinda ironic that those who are for the release of the original unaltered theatrical trilogy don't feel the need to put down those who enjoy the prequels or at least put them down to this level. There's nothing wrong in enjoying things and you have the right to enjoy what the hell ever you want, but this "holier-than-thou because I'm cool with SW prequels/altered original trilogy" attitude needs to be cut in half (preferably with a lightsaber). You enjoy the prequels/altered trilogy and I'm really happy for you, but me and some other folk don't. That is normal. Putting down people over shit like this ain't.

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

When you watch things like The People vs. George Lucas, or those Plinket hatred videos, you can clearly see how the haters have literally word for word just been ingrained with the same criticism.
To be honest, I don't think these people do a lot of thinking on their own.

*sigh* "Hatred videos"... Justified criticism is hatred now? Since when? I haven't seen The People vs. George Lucas but I've seen Plinket videos multiple times and found them more enjoyable than the Prequels themselves. And now let's get to the "don't think these people do a lot of thinking on their own" part... STORY TIME! Around the time Phantom Menace and Attack of the clones came out I had only seen the Original trilogy once with my parents on VHS before there were any special editions. I think I liked them, but I honestly don't remember what was my reaction to these movies. Since my dad is a big sci-fi/fantasy nerd he of course bought the first two prequels as third one wasn't even out yet, and I had nothing better to do and decided to watch them, without knowing anything about them. I stopped with the coliseum scene the Attack of the Clones because I really didn't care one bit about anything going on screen. These movies actually detracted me from anything Star Wars for the next 10 years as I had the impression that prequels represent the quality of the whole franchise. Few years ago I hunted down unfuxored original trilogy on the DVD, watched it and... Was suprised that something with the name Star Wars can be THAT good. Or good at all.

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I watched The People vs. George Lucas with my wife the other day, and she said that the haters are ridiculous, as Han/Greedo shooting debate is uttlery laughable, as is the rest.

"Wife agrees with her husband's opinion" more news at 11.

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

The question I would ask myself though is: Is all of this really worth being in agony, and poisoning the spirit of SW?

Since when is criticism considered as poisoning? I won't even comment on the "spirit of SW" part...

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Arch Stanton

I do agree that too many people treat the RLM reviews and other criticisms of the prequels in popular culture as gospel without actually assessing the films for themselves.

Not to argue that the prequels aren't horrendously bad, but I wish people would think more and not just quote a line from Plinkett.

This. I really do like the prequels overall (two outta three ) yet I'm not shy when it comes to stating what I don't like about them, but the RLM videos leave me shaking my head in disbelief at some of the nitpicks they manage to dredge up, many of which (and I've said this before) are simply conventions of the genre, like visible poison gas.

BTW it cracks me up whenever I see those Ainsley Harriott memes, it's so strange to see his face used as a means of internets one-upmanship.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

This. I really do like the prequels overall (two outta three ) yet I'm not shy when it comes to stating what I don't like about them, but the RLM videos leave me shaking my head in disbelief at some of the nitpicks they manage to dredge up, many of which (and I've said this before) are simply conventions of the genre, like visible poison gas.

BTW it cracks me up whenever I see those Ainsley Harriott memes, it's so strange to see his face used as a means of internets one-upmanship.

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[Geoff D]

[Angel Eyes]

I kow this is all in good fun but it really makes Lucas look foolish and a director that is no longer taken seriously. It's a little sad to see after what all he created.

http://mashable.com/2015/04/20/georg...do-shot-first/

Before 1999 you would have never have seen anyone making fun of Lucas or Star Wars. This speaks volumes to the perception of him now.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Angel Eyes

I kow this is all in good fun but it really makes Lucas look foolish and a director that is no longer taken seriously. It's a little sad to see after what all he created.

http://mashable.com/2015/04/20/georg...do-shot-first/

Before 1999 you would have never have seen anyone making fun of Lucas or Star Wars. This speaks volumes to the perception of him now.

Uh.......http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094012/

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

This. I really do like the prequels overall (two outta three ) yet I'm not shy when it comes to stating what I don't like about them, but the RLM videos leave me shaking my head in disbelief at some of the nitpicks they manage to dredge up, many of which (and I've said this before) are simply conventions of the genre, like visible poison gas.

I think for me I enjoy them visually, I enjoy the idea of them, even if I know deep down they are relatively bad movies because of their scripts and editing. It's like Exodus, which I watched the other day: very pretty, and I enjoyed it for that, but the story was terrible.

You can like different things about films. I am sure those who love Transformers aren't defending the scripts and such, they just wanted other things from it. Obviously I enjoy watching all the Star Wars movies on some level, even if I think 1 and 2 are really poorly written and plotted and filled with too much iffy CGI.

[seannyd]

It's been years since I've watched the Red Letter Media reviews, but I found them hilarious at the time (the actual Star Wars criticisms, not all the other weird basement stuff) with some interesting insights into the structure of the films. Was he 100% correct? No, I don't think so.

I also don't mind the special editions. The relatively few changes do not intrinsically change Star Wars for me. In fact, I was 13 when the Special Editions came out and as someone who was really interested in technology, I thought it was cool how they got around the problem of a "person" Jabba by lifting Han up in the air. I even liked the additional dewbacks. Of course, I'm sure many people would then insult my perceptions as a child because when THEY were young, they recognized the Special Edition for the travesty it was.

As an adult, I realize that these changes are superfluous and access to the original, unaltered version should be given to the public. But Star Wars is still magical to me. The story, the effects, all of it still hold up as well as it did in 1977.

It's crazy to think that some people feel the special editions defiled Star Wars past the point of no return, since it still seems to be as relevant as ever.

[Himmel]

Yes let's close this thread, and if there is another release down the road then a new thread shall be born...

Time to focus on the new trilogy and where it will take us in the next decade...

May the force be with all.

[HomerThompson]

Originally Posted by Angel Eyes

I kow this is all in good fun but it really makes Lucas look foolish and a director that is no longer taken seriously. It's a little sad to see after what all he created.

http://mashable.com/2015/04/20/georg...do-shot-first/

Before 1999 you would have never have seen anyone making fun of Lucas or Star Wars. This speaks volumes to the perception of him now.

Fanboys/girls are fickle. None of this matters in the real world. Nobody mocks or has deep seeded issues with the prequels like the 1% population of the internet. The real world has better things to do.

The irony is, all the people we praise today will all be mocked by the next generation 20 years from now.

Then when they die, they're considered an icon again.

[Himmel]

Voting has now gone live...

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by HomerThompson

Nobody mocks or has deep seeded issues with the prequels like the 1% population of the internet.

I'd wager more than 1% of the world recognizes the lousiness of Attack of the Clones.

Not a deep-seated issue for me -- I've moved on. But it was shitty in 2002 and it's shitty today.

It boils down to that, plus the special editions, plus overall neglect of the original versions' historical importance -- those three things represent the extent of my "issues" with Lucas.

[Angel Eyes]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Uh.......http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094012/

Spaceballs was a spoof that was not making fun of Lucas himself in a mean spirited way. I'm more or less talking about the hate he receives now for everything from 1997 onwards.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Terminated

Everyone looked like they were having a good time on the set!!

Everyone was having a good time on the Titanic too before it started sinking!

HomerThompson, I agree with you a bit about them being mocked but I think we are running into an issue where standards have been lowered so much now that people are being called geniuses who wouldn't have been before. I think that is why the movies will be mocked. A lot of franchises have been created over the past 15 years or so but none of them hold the audience like they did when I was a kid. In the 80's, people craved a new Star Wars, Star Trek, Indy Jones or Back to the Future film but who today is really craving a new Mission Impossible or Fast and Furious film? Not saying people don't like them but they don't have the same appeal and the demand isn't there. Even Star Trek - Wrath of Khan is a classic but I don't believe that anyone is going to look back at the latest batch and call them classics even though they are getting a lot of praise right now. They are good for today's standards but when you look at movie as a whole, they are lacking as are a lot of successful movies today. That's why people will laugh - Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Wizard of Oz, Butch and Sundance, the original Superman, Star Wars - these all hold up and no one mocks them(and if they do, you just ignore them because obviously they have no taste at all )

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I think for me I enjoy them visually, I enjoy the idea of them, even if I know deep down they are relatively bad movies because of their scripts and editing. It's like Exodus, which I watched the other day: very pretty, and I enjoyed it for that, but the story was terrible.

You can like different things about films. I am sure those who love Transformers aren't defending the scripts and such, they just wanted other things from it. Obviously I enjoy watching all the Star Wars movies on some level, even if I think 1 and 2 are really poorly written and plotted and filled with too much iffy CGI.

See, to me it's NOTHING like that. These movies are at least as meaningful and deep as The Tree of Life to me. THAT's why I love the Star Wars movies.

Not because of the flashy visuals, cool fights, etc..

It's literally perfect for me: Great story with profound messages in a fantastic space opera setting. A match made in heaven.

It's fascinating how everyone sees them differently, isn't it?

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Terminated

Voting has now gone live...

What voting?

[Himmel]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

What voting?

Over at the movie poll thread.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by HomerThompson

Fanboys/girls are fickle. None of this matters in the real world. Nobody mocks or has deep seeded issues with the prequels like the 1% population of the internet. The real world has better things to do.

Wahaha, what? Are you talking about the first two Godfather films or the SW prequels? I can't imagine on what planet only "1%" didn't care for the prequels. They were pretty widely panned by critics and mocked by audiences alike. I mean Jar Jar became a running joke for how ridiculous the 1st one was, so much so that Lucas practically removed him from the second two altogether. I personally couldn't care less about who does or doesn't like them but to pretend that the prequels were somehow beloved by 99% of the population of any group is, in itself, laughable.

It's not so much as "deep seeded" issues, either... you're giving the criticism too much thought. It's just that a whole bunch of people thought they were pretty bad movies in the same way that, say, people thought Transformers was a pretty bad movie. Flashy eye candy but none the less pretty shallow, poor script, wooden acting, etc. Not the recipe for a classic. Be that as it may, much like the prequels the Transformers franchise also has its dedicated following (and they make a mint at the box office), and there's nothing wrong with that.

If you dig it, more power to you.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Terminated

Over at the movie poll thread.

Still don't know what you are talking about? Where is that movie poll thread?

Nothing to do with you, but do you know how I can put someone on ignore?

I keep forgetting, but find it necessary in this thread.

[MifuneFan]

These go on sale in 20 mins . $35 each, $100 for the set. They will sell out fast. Rick, you ready?

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