Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Doctor Jack]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

I've been seeing a lot of people disrespecting Boba Fett on another thread.

It bothers me.

...and I won't stand for it.

Boba Fett was a great man and a legitimate intergalactic badass.

Anyone has a problem with that, has a problem with me.

Most overrated character in this history of film. Did pretty much nothing. Died like a punk. How does that make him a badass?

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dafuq can you tell it's Hayden in there? Could be a random LFL lackey for all we know, and it's been 'shopped to high heaven anyway.

As an aside, was anyone ever bothered by how symmetrical they made the new (or should I say old?) mask for Sith? They were so proud of it in the DVD extras but it looks kinda funny to me when it's perfectly proportioned like that, there's something a bit more off-kilter and more threatening about the version Prowse sported in the original films.

Because...
1 - They made the suit to fit Hayden.
2 - That is one of the publicity shots from Revenge of the Sith.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by BJKH

Darn. Hopefully Disney will get the rights to release the unaltered films at some point. Thanks for the reply!

No problem. Disney own the films which includes all versions, Fox just distribute them. Evidently Disney just don't feel this is the right time to release them. I think 2017 may be it, since that's the 40th anniversary and what better way to celebrate it than finally releasing the UOT?

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

And since it still says complete saga, I'm guessing Disney has nothing to do with this repackage and it's all Fox?

Oh well, at least they finally junked that horrible cover art with Jake Lloyd in the center. So I'll give credit where it's due.

Disney own the movies and Fox wouldn't be able to release them without their consent, so they certainly have something to do with it.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dafuq can you tell it's Hayden in there? Could be a random LFL lackey for all we know, and it's been 'shopped to high heaven anyway.

As an aside, was anyone ever bothered by how symmetrical they made the new (or should I say old?) mask for Sith? They were so proud of it in the DVD extras but it looks kinda funny to me when it's perfectly proportioned like that, there's something a bit more off-kilter and more threatening about the version Prowse sported in the original films.

Yeah, I never liked it either. The main thing for me is it makes the face/mask part look so thin, especially from certain angles like on the repackaged Saga set. Thankfully Vader in the suit has so little screen time in Sith it doesn't matter much.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

Most overrated character in this history of film. Did pretty much nothing. Died like a punk. How does that make him a badass?

You're a PUNK!!!!

Boba Fett tracked Millenium Falcon to the cloud station, which led to the capture and carbonite freezing of Hans Solo--which led to the ultimate confrontation between Vader and Luke Skywalker...which changed the course of galactic history.

...that's more than you ever did.

[SethRex]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

You're a PUNK!!!!

Boba Fett tracked Millenium Falcon to the cloud station, which led to the capture and carbonite freezing of Hans Solo--which led to the ultimate confrontation between Vader and Luke Skywalker...which changed the course of galactic history.

...that's more than you ever did.

Jango Fett did more in 1 movie than Boba did in 2. Sorry, but overrated.

[Roy_Batty]

No problem. Disney own the films which includes all versions, Fox just distribute them. Evidently Disney just don't feel this is the right time to release them. I think 2017 may be it, since that's the 40th anniversary and what better way to celebrate it than finally releasing the UOT?

I am sorry but unless you just came from a conference meeting with Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy, George lucas and the Chairman of 20th century fox. What you are saying here is pure conjecture. Please do not turn rumor and fan wishing into fact, when you have absolutely no evidence to support your statements.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

No problem. Disney own the films which includes all versions, Fox just distribute them. Evidently Disney just don't feel this is the right time to release them. I think 2017 may be it, since that's the 40th anniversary and what better way to celebrate it than finally releasing the UOT?
...
Disney own the movies and Fox wouldn't be able to release them without their consent, so they certainly have something to do with it.

Actually, Disney doesn't own these films just like they don't own the Marvel films. They own the distribution rights as part of owning the respective companies that have the rights.

Lucasfilm has final say on the releases for their films with Disney choosing which Disney arm has distribution for the release.

Strange Magic was placed under the Touchstone Pictures label which is where the Dreamworks films have been under. Strange Magic only had a DVD & digital release. It also is not Disney Movies Anywhere enabled due to being a Touchstone Pictures release.

The Star Wars films for Episodes I-III & V-VIII are under the Walt Disney Pictures label. This is why Episodes I-III and V & VI are DMA enabled.

Fox does keep distribution of Episode IV which is why the digital release is Ultraviolet enabled. Fox is contracted to keep Episode IV's distribution rights regardless of what Lucasfilm does with Disney.

The digital release is a collaboration between Lucasfilm, 20th Century Fox, and Disney.

The physical releases out now and coming soon are a collaboration between Lucasfilm and 20th Century Fox who still has physical distribution rights to Episodes I-VI. Should Lucasfilm decide to release the original unaltered trilogy: it would either have to be a joint effort from Lucasfilm and 20th Century Fox prior to 2020 or after 2020, a joint effort from Lucasfilm, Disney, and 20th Century Fox.

[Doctor Jack]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

You're a PUNK!!!!

Boba Fett tracked Millenium Falcon to the cloud station, which led to the capture and carbonite freezing of Hans Solo--which led to the ultimate confrontation between Vader and Luke Skywalker...which changed the course of galactic history.

...that's more than you ever did.

You are right. I have not yet had the chance to change the course of a fictional galaxy. Fingers crossed I'll get the chance soon though.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by SethRex

Jango Fett did more in 1 movie than Boba did in 2. Sorry, but overrated.

Jango and Boba are both awesome, can't we leave it at that? Anyone who wears that armor has won my heart.

Originally Posted by Roy_Batty

I am sorry but unless you just came from a conference meeting with Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy, George lucas and the Chairman of 20th century fox. What you are saying here is pure conjecture. Please do not turn rumor and fan wishing into fact, when you have absolutely no evidence to support your statements.

I didn't say they will release the UOT in '17, just speculating that if it's coming in the next couple years that could be a good date. I feel very confident it will come sooner or later though, the question is just when. Could be in the next couple years, or perhaps sometime after the end of the new trilogy which is still half a decade into the future.

Originally Posted by steve_dave

Actually, Disney doesn't own these films just like they don't own the Marvel films. They own the distribution rights as part of owning the respective companies that have the rights.

Lucasfilm has final say on the releases for their films with Disney choosing which Disney arm has distribution for the release.

Strange Magic was placed under the Touchstone Pictures label which is where the Dreamworks films have been under. Strange Magic only had a DVD & digital release. It also is not Disney Movies Anywhere enabled due to being a Touchstone Pictures release.

The Star Wars films for Episodes I-III & V-VIII are under the Walt Disney Pictures label. This is why Episodes I-III and V & VI are DMA enabled.

Fox does keep distribution of Episode IV which is why the digital release is Ultraviolet enabled. Fox is contracted to keep Episode IV's distribution rights regardless of what Lucasfilm does with Disney.

The digital release is a collaboration between Lucasfilm, 20th Century Fox, and Disney.

The physical releases out now and coming soon are a collaboration between Lucasfilm and 20th Century Fox who still has physical distribution rights to Episodes I-VI. Should Lucasfilm decide to release the original unaltered trilogy: it would either have to be a joint effort from Lucasfilm and 20th Century Fox prior to 2020 or after 2020, a joint effort from Lucasfilm, Disney, and 20th Century Fox.

All true, I was putting it in a very simplified way since Disney are after all on top of the totem pole (though totem poles don't actually work that way either, but hey) since they own Lucasfilm and I've got the impression they're the puppet masters here. Lucasfilm are obviously the most directly involved in the decisions concerning the films, but ultimately Disney are in charge, correct?

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Lucasfilm are obviously the most directly involved in the decisions concerning the films, but ultimately Disney are in charge, correct?

Lucasfilm is in charge of their products just like Marvel and Dreamworks. It was the same thing when Miramax was under Disney. However, Disney does have certain veto power when necessary.

If Lucasfilm wants to release a film then Disney can't stop it unless Disney can find it to be objectionable to their brand image. Again, Disney did this with Miramax: although Miramax had been able to enjoy autonomy under Disney, Disney still prevented some supplemental features from being included on home video releases and, in some extreme cases, forced Miramax to alter a release. In very, extremely rare occurances Miramax has even moved films to another distributor due to Disney refusing to distribute it.

That's why Disney can shift Lucasfilm titles within the Disney studio: Lucasfilm wants a film released, Disney has to find the right distribution arm for it. Once more: Strange Magic fell under Touchstone Pictures while Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens is under Wa;t Disney Pictures. I'm sure that due to content the future Indiana Jones films will go under Touchstone Pictures.

[Deathbymonkeys]

Originally Posted by SethRex

Jango Fett did more in 1 movie than Boba did in 2. Sorry, but overrated.

Exactly. Jango is amazing. Boba is a putz.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Yeah, I never liked it either. The main thing for me is it makes the face/mask part look so thin, especially from certain angles like on the repackaged Saga set. Thankfully Vader in the suit has so little screen time in Sith it doesn't matter much.

That's it, the mask looks so thin from certain angles. (I guess Vader was hitting the protein shakes in the intervening years between Sith and New Hope.) While it's not a problem in the film per se, those same images of skinny Vader have been pimped out across the merchandising for the last 10 years so there's no escape from their lameness.

[StingingVelvet]

I hate little Jake Lloyd as much as anyone, but since the original six films were "Anakin's saga" and Luke's by extension, I think the original set's cover art worked quite well. Never got the complaints. A big ass Darth Vader image on the front seems lazy to me, personally.

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I hate little Jake Lloyd as much as anyone, but since the original six films were "Anakin's saga" and Luke's by extension, I think the original set's cover art worked quite well. Never got the complaints. A big ass Darth Vader image on the front seems lazy to me, personally.

The problem, though, for those of us who knew Star Wars before Lucas' revisionism kicked in (i.e. prior to 1997), is that it never seemed back then to be Anakin's saga. I know that's how Lucas has recently portrayed it, but if that's what he "always" intended (and Lucas has put such a subjective gloss on that word I almost feel I should add a ™) then he did a poor job of conveying it in the OT. To me, it feels like "our" star Wars has been hijacked.

Add to that, the Anakin he gave us is such an irritating, unsympathetic, unlikeable character, at every age, that it's hard to swallow now being told he's the focus of the "saga". The OT *used* to be Luke's struggle to find his destiny amid the greater struggle of The Force to reassert itself, all of which has now been subsumed into the struggle for personal redemption of someone who fell into darkness through his own greed and weakness in the first place.

So yeah, just replacing Anakin with Vader as the key logo is a pretty simplistic approach to the story.

[blackashford]

Originally Posted by MacEachaidh

The problem, though, for those of us who knew Star Wars before Lucas' revisionism kicked in (i.e. prior to 1997), is that it never seemed back then to be Anakin's saga. I know that's how Lucas has recently portrayed it, but if that's what he "always" intended (and Lucas has put such a subjective gloss on that word I almost feel I should add a ™) then he did a poor job of conveying it in the OT. To me, it feels like "our" star Wars has been hijacked.

Add to that, the Anakin he gave us is such an irritating, unsympathetic, unlikeable character, at every age, that it's hard to swallow now being told he's the focus of the "saga". The OT *used* to be Luke's struggle to find his destiny amid the greater struggle of The Force to reassert itself, all of which has now been subsumed into the struggle for personal redemption of someone who fell into darkness through his own greed and weakness in the first place.

So yeah, just replacing Anakin with Vader as the key logo is a pretty simplistic approach to the story.

Empire was released as Episode V. So the "revisionism" started in 1980 (and then he did his first revision of Star Wars, now Episode lV A New Hope). I'm not sure what people expected from Episodes l, ll, and lll in 1980, but I don't think anyone expected more Luke, Leia and Han. It had to be young Darth Vader and Obi-Wan, and the Clone Wars.

As for Anakin being likeable, that's a subjective thing. As someone who was a teenager at the time of the prequels release, his frustrations were relateable, his killings were not, but we know the power of the Dark Side. The Dark Side isn't a cool thing, inspite of how "cool" and iconic Vader became over the OT. It's a temptation and it leads to evil. Of which we saw Anakin/Vader do many evil things.

In Revenge of the Sith, which depends on the history of the previous prequels, I found Anakin's fall to be very believable. He wanted to save his wife's and future child's lives, he fell out of trust with the Jedi, and Palpatine was giving Anakin the answers he was seeking. We can argue execution, I have my issues with the prequels, but I really loved the motivation set up for Anakin's fall. When I watch the OT now, I feel it is enriched by the history the PT added.

In my memory, as I watch the OT, I don't think of the disagreeable elements from the PT. I think of Anakin's love for his mother, his wanting to help others even if it is dangerous for him, his being taken away/leaving at such a young age, his rough initiation into the Jedi Order, his awkward but heartfelt love for Padme, his living in secret, his freindship with Obi-Wan, the lose of his mother and the anger that consumed him, his feeling of failure that haunted him for the rest of his life, the thought of losing Padme, the distrust sewn by Palpatine throughout the Republic and the trust he showed Anakin, the desperation that Anakin finally fell to, and the betrayal of everything Anakin once believed to become Darth Vader. As soon as Anakin made that decision to disobey Mace Windu (a Jedi which he never had a good relationship with) and interfere in the confrontation with Palpatine, the Dark Side completely took over.

So much of it directly ties to Luke's choices in the OT. Just like Luke ignored Yoda's advice not to go to Cloud City, Anakin didn't listen to Mace about interfering. We know the consequences of Anakin's choice, Luke very well could have fallen to the same fate. And Vader tried to play Luke much the same way as his Anakin's fall. I really like how the story is about the Skywalker family.

Once again, the "revision" of Star Wars (which GL is completely welcome to do, it's his story to tell, yours to enjoy or not) to the Skywalker family story started in Empire. Making Darth Vader Luke's father, changed the dynamic of everything anyone knew about Star Wars. That relationship between father and son (and then sister, then mother, then wife) is the center of the whole series, even if you ignore the PT. And so it stands to reason that Anakin is the central character considering Ep 1 starts his story and Ep 6 ends it. With the next trilogy we now continue the Skywalker family story and I'm sure as Disney continues to make even more Episodes (X, Xl, Xll, and so on) they will be about the Skywalkers.

[Nada]

Originally Posted by Deathbymonkeys

Exactly. Jango is amazing. Boba is a putz.

So true. The only thing Boba actually does is follow the Falcon to Bespin. That's it. Everything else was Vader's doing. Jango was a badass through and through.

[MacEachaidh]

Originally Posted by blackashford

Empire was released as Episode V. So the "revisionism" started in 1980 (and then he did his first revision of Star Wars, now Episode lV A New Hope). I'm not sure what people expected from Episodes l, ll, and lll in 1980, but I don't think anyone expected more Luke, Leia and Han. It had to be young Darth Vader and Obi-Wan, and the Clone Wars.

You don't understand. When the OT was first released, it was Luke's story. I have a copy of the booklet that was given out with the first run of what became known as Episode IV, and in it Lucas discussed his schema for the story, and how it would be three trilogies, each focused around separate characters: the first trilogy he would make was about Luke and his attempt to combat the Empire (and this was always intended to be the middle three of nine films, according to Lucas, so no, "Empire" being marked as Episode V wasn't "revisionism" at all; it always was Episode V, and the first film was not given an episode number in the title at the insistence of Fox and producer Gary Kurtz, who felt it would be too confusing to audiences, and because Lucas had no assurance at the time that he'd be able to make any more anyway); the second trilogy would go back and show how the Republic fell and the Empire arose; and the third trilogy would show how Luke and Leia's children (!) would fight to restore the Republic to the galaxy.

It was only when Lucas decided not to make the third trilogy, and claim that he had never said there would be one, that he also revised the schema and started talking about the "saga" really being the story of Anakin. Before that, it had always been the story of the Republic and the Force.

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's it, the mask looks so thin from certain angles. (I guess Vader was hitting the protein shakes in the intervening years between Sith and New Hope.) While it's not a problem in the film per se, those same images of skinny Vader have been pimped out across the merchandising for the last 10 years so there's no escape from their lameness.

we all know they changed Boba Fett voice in ESB but i was wondring if we ever do get the unalterd trilogy will we get bob fetts voice the way it sounded in 1980 ?

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

Boba Fett was a great man and a legitimate intergalactic badass.

Blind Han Solo disagrees.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That's it, the mask looks so thin from certain angles. (I guess Vader was hitting the protein shakes in the intervening years between Sith and New Hope.) While it's not a problem in the film per se, those same images of skinny Vader have been pimped out across the merchandising for the last 10 years so there's no escape from their lameness.

Yeah, it's not ideal, but I can look past thin-faced Vader being put on toy boxes and stuff like that. It's a bit of a bummer about the repackaged Saga set, but eh, we still have the original set with different art if we hate it that much.

Originally Posted by Brightstar

we all know they changed Boba Fett voice in ESB but i was wondring if we ever do get the unalterd trilogy will we get bob fetts voice the way it sounded in 1980 ?

The voice was changed for the '04 DVDs, so yes, the theatrical cut or even the '97 Special Edition would have the original voice.