Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by Havok83

Yes I did. I came in knowing they were seperated but watching Episode III, its not exactly explained. The guy just takes one of them bc his wife he and he always wanted a daughter, yet no one finds this odd bc there is another child. It all happened rather quickly as if they were just brushing through it, just for the sake of tying the films together

I wouldn't think too much about it, there are a lot of odd things in the PT

Like why on earth was it a great idea to have Luke "hide" back on his dads old planet with his aunt and uncle and still keep the Skywalker name. Like that wouldn't be the first place to look for your child?

But I just looked at it as not keeping all your eggs in one basket. Safer to separate them than keep them together, bit like how the royal family never travel on the same flights together in case there's an accident.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

Like why on earth was it a great idea to have Luke "hide" back on his dads old planet with his aunt and uncle and still keep the Skywalker name. Like that wouldn't be the first place to look for your child?

But Anakin really, really hates sand.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by svenge

But Anakin really, really hates sand.

I guess it does get everywhere

[frogmort]

I checked the last few pages and didn't see these mentioned, but I'm sure as a way to get some momentum off of TFA, Bad Lip Reading has made 3 new videos:

"STAR WARS: A Bad Lip Reading" - YouTube

"THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: A Bad Lip Reading" - YouTube

"RETURN OF THE JEDI: A Bad Lip Reading" - YouTube

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by svenge

But Anakin really, really hates sand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tME-rciqydE

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Kersh was interviewed when the SEs came out. He smiled and said he liked the SE of Empire. "We finally get to see the snow monster". He didn't owe anything to Lucas at that time so he looked genuinely happy. But fact is he was a hired to do what Lucas wanted him to do, just like the Marvel movies today.

It's not even about him saying nice things about it. I just don't think anyone, be it Lucas or anyone else in his position, should mess with a film like that without director involvement. People say Jedi was okay because Marquand was dead, but to me that makes it almost worse. Lucas chose not to direct or write the screenplay for those movies, which means he passed a large percentage of artistic ownership over. I don't agree with him taking the films over to such a degree later on, even though he obviously owns them legally.

It's all about respecting the art. If he had offered us the original cuts at least then I would shrug it off, like I do with Blade Runner or whatever else. However since he purposely withheld them, even supposedly messing with the negatives to make an original restoration more difficult (and was such an ass about it when questioned) I'm gonna call it all what it is: messing with other peoples' art, which is uncool.

[tskwerl]

And that's the crux of the argument. Look at what Ridley Scott did with Blade Runner. There are 5 cuts available. All director approved. Pick whichever one suits you. If Lucas had just done this with the original trilogy... happy faces all around.

[alexpeden2000]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

even supposedly messing with the negatives to make an original restoration more difficult (and was such an ass about it when questioned)

Wow, never heard that before - is there an article on this anywhere?

[chip75]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Back in 1975/76???

I'm pretty sure it was a reference to the Dino De Laurentiis production (I can't quite recall), but it might have been for earlier remake attempts. It was one of the articles/essays in a book on King Kong I recently read, fans were very protective of the movie since it's release back in the thirties.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by alexpeden2000

Wow, never heard that before - is there an article on this anywhere?

I remember there was talk that the negatives were dismantled (which never really made sense to me) when they did the special editions, so the originals don't even exist anymore, but I think if new Lucasfilm ever do go back in to restore them, they'll be doing something similar to what happened with The Next Generation, they'll be scanning separate elements (and effects' passes) and digitally compositing them. But that's assuming that all those elements have survived. The results would be spectacular and far surpass any presentations we've see so far, either on the big screen or home video.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by tskwerl

And that's the crux of the argument. Look at what Ridley Scott did with Blade Runner. There are 5 cuts available. All director approved. Pick whichever one suits you. If Lucas had just done this with the original trilogy... happy faces all around.

Totally agree. Well put. Even Spielberg gave us both E.T.'s back in 2002 when he released his 'altered' version of that film.

Originally Posted by chip75

I remember there was talk that the negatives were dismantled (which never really made sense to me) when they did the special editions, so the originals don't even exist anymore, but I think if new Lucasfilm ever do go back in to restore them, they'll be doing something similar to what happened with The Next Generation, they'll be scanning separate elements (and effects' passes) and digitally compositing them. But that's assuming that all those elements have survived. The results would be spectacular and far surpass any presentations we've see so far, either on the big screen or home video.

I read a story once that someone back in 2007 I think said he had prints of the originals that were still in ok condition and sent an offer to restore them for nothing. Lucas never responded. If thats true than obviously this goes beyond Lucas' claim that 'I dont wanna spend money to restore something I dont like'. And if the stories of Lucas destroying the remaining prints of the original are true that also puts the potential for a future reissue of the OUT in a tough spot but then again theres Harmy's release.

[MPeriolat]

There's another issue with getting UOT out on blu-ray- legally, Disney can't. Fox still has the theatrical and home video rights to ESB and ROTJ until 2020. Star Wars they out and out own, so unless Disney and Fox can reach an agreement, it is just not happening for a while.

Me being me, yeah, I do want the UOT out so I can enjoy them. The SEs have their place, but the constant tinkering all the way up through the blu-rays are what finally broke me as a fan. I just want my movies, not revision six out of seven, which you will pay for because you want it.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by MPeriolat

There's another issue with getting UOT out on blu-ray- legally, Disney can't. Fox still has the theatrical and home video rights to ESB and ROTJ until 2020. Star Wars they out and out own, so unless Disney and Fox can reach an agreement, it is just not happening for a while.

Me being me, yeah, I do want the UOT out so I can enjoy them. The SEs have their place, but the constant tinkering all the way up through the blu-rays are what finally broke me as a fan. I just want my movies, not revision six out of seven, which you will pay for because you want it.

Sounds like 2020 will be the perfect time to get a super 8-9 film set then.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by MPeriolat

There's another issue with getting UOT out on blu-ray- legally, Disney can't. Fox still has the theatrical and home video rights to ESB and ROTJ until 2020. Star Wars they out and out own, so unless Disney and Fox can reach an agreement, it is just not happening for a while.

Disney and Lucasfilm can do what they like, when they like. Fox just have to release them and they'll do that on Lucasfilm's say so. Fox only own A New Hope's distribution rights, the don't own a single frame of the film. The recent set was released by Lucasfilm through Fox's distribution. New releases' will be the same until Disney take over in 2020, then Fox will just be distributing A New Hope.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by MPeriolat

There's another issue with getting UOT out on blu-ray- legally, Disney can't. Fox still has the theatrical and home video rights to ESB and ROTJ until 2020. Star Wars they out and out own, so unless Disney and Fox can reach an agreement, it is just not happening for a while.

Me being me, yeah, I do want the UOT out so I can enjoy them. The SEs have their place, but the constant tinkering all the way up through the blu-rays are what finally broke me as a fan. I just want my movies, not revision six out of seven, which you will pay for because you want it.

This has been discussed over and over and over again.

Disney/Lucasfilm can release any damn version of original trilogy Star Wars they want - it will simply be distributed by Fox until 2020 (although A New Hope will still remain in distribution with Fox after).

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by MPeriolat

There's another issue with getting UOT out on blu-ray- legally, Disney can't. Fox still has the theatrical and home video rights to ESB and ROTJ until 2020. Star Wars they out and out own, so unless Disney and Fox can reach an agreement, it is just not happening for a while.

Me being me, yeah, I do want the UOT out so I can enjoy them. The SEs have their place, but the constant tinkering all the way up through the blu-rays are what finally broke me as a fan. I just want my movies, not revision six out of seven, which you will pay for because you want it.

Reaching an agreement is still a possibility. A lot of studios have been making joint agreements about releasing their films together. The last set of all the Chucky films finally included the first film which up until then was not included in the previous sets since it was produced by MGM while Universal did the sequels. And i feel ya. I dont particularly plan on buying SW again unless its the originals which is the one of the reasons I never got the BluRay set. And no thats not me being a whiny fan boy. Thats just how i feel. I still love SW either way. However, Lucas' claim that there will be 'one' version becomes contradictory the more he changes the films. Hopefully with Disney at the reins now those changes will stop but who knows.

[stvn1974]

Since FOX owns the distribution rights they could refuse to let Disney release a new version until 2020 if they wanted to also. I think it would be funny. Disney wants to release a box set with the first six and the new one and Fox declines because they just want the current set to sell.

[blonde_devil]

While I would love to see a good release of the original version of the original trilogy, this conversation does make me laugh too. We see alternate versions of other films released all the time that replace the original theatrical cuts and no one seems to care about those. Why does no one complain that the theatrical cut of Highlander hasn't been released? Because it isn't Star Wars. If it is Star Wars, then it is a big deal but if it is a less successful or liked film, then meh - no big deal. It isn't about releasing what was originally released or the director's cut or anything like that, it is about releasing the version you like best. I am like everyone else, I would love to see the original version on Blu-ray but in the end, Lucas owned them and could do whatever he wanted with them. I don't see these kinds of complaints asking Windows to bring back XP because it was so much better than we have now. Does it make him a bit of a hypocrite? For sure but then again, success and money tends to do that to people.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Since FOX owns the distribution rights they could refuse to let Disney release a new version until 2020 if they wanted to also.

I don't think it works like that. Lucasfilm would put out the sets and give Fox a cut of the proceeds. The distribution rights are just a way to spread the profits from a movie, Fox don't even have to get physically involved, they just get a cut of whatever Lucasfilm do.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

While I would love to see a good release of the original version of the original trilogy, this conversation does make me laugh too. We see alternate versions of other films released all the time that replace the original theatrical cuts and no one seems to care about those. Why does no one complain that the theatrical cut of Highlander hasn't been released? Because it isn't Star Wars. If it is Star Wars, then it is a big deal but if it is a less successful or liked film, then meh - no big deal. It isn't about releasing what was originally released or the director's cut or anything like that, it is about releasing the version you like best. I am like everyone else, I would love to see the original version on Blu-ray but in the end, Lucas owned them and could do whatever he wanted with them. I don't see these kinds of complaints asking Windows to bring back XP because it was so much better than we have now. Does it make him a bit of a hypocrite? For sure but then again, success and money tends to do that to people.

I dont disagree with artists wanting to improve upon themselves. I disagree with artists wanting to rewrite history which in the case of SW is what Lucas has done. If Lucas had done what Ridley Scott or Steven Spielberg did by reediting films but released them with the original versions included, the fan bickering would much more minimal. But Lucas wants people to forget the originals which isnt gonna happen because theres fans who will constantly remind the world of their existence. The originals won Oscars and are iconic pieces of film history, flaws and all. And like you said about Highlander, it isnt just limited to Lucas. Im actually very disappointed that none of the BluRay editions of the first Terminator has the films original mono track which in my opinion had much better sound effects than the 5.1 surround mix that accompanies the film now.