Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Todd Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Yup...and also nowhere near as grating. Casper also. Roger Rabbit still beats 'em all, hand animation just makes that film even more awesome.

It's called "traditional animation"

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Isn't the rumor also that he came back if they'd let him do another Indy?

I believe it, he loves that character and wants to do more before he can't anymore.

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Probably joking but just in case that wasn't CG. It was hand animation.

Pretty sure the MCP IN Tron was entirely CGI: there's BTS footage of the wireframe animation and discussion on lip syncing.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Todd Tomorrow

It's called "traditional animation"

Todd, I might be the last person on the planet who needs to have animation techniques explained to him. Animation is older than cinema itself, a history going back for millennia. Artists practiced in the art of hand-drawn animation bristled when people began referring to hand-drawn animation as 2-D animation, hence John Lasseter and others began correctly referring to that mode of the medium as hand-drawn cel animation (though he slips in that from time to time), which is a different mode than stop-motion, go-motion, oil-on-glass, or computer animation. Human hands are involved in all, I don't place supremacy of one mode over another. But no, laughably no, Jar Jar Binks wasn't the first animated character to share space with live-action actors in a film, nor the first photo-real animated character to share space with live-action actors in a film. And as far as just pure animation goes in The Phantom Menace, Watto is damn brilliant.

[Ernest Rister]

This is corny, but very effective as a rudimentary primer on animation (from an 1955 American point of view). Enjoy.

"The Story of the Animated Drawing"

Disneyland - 2.11 - The Story of the Animated Drawing - Part 1 of 4 - YouTube

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jonezzz...

But if they hadn't killed him off, at best he would have just been a supporting character again. Do you REALLY think Harrison would've been excited to return for that and then have to do another 1 or 2 films after that, considering his experience on Return of the Jedi and his less than enthusiastic opinion of Han as a character? I'm fairly positive he wanted to be killed off to give his character the dramatic weight and closure he felt was missing in Jedi. Of course, throwing in $25 million helps too.

I was about to say that...LucasFilm paid him a fortune to come back to the role, and they earned that back in spades. A single shot of Han and Chewie walking onto the Falcon in a trailer was enough to make people cry and cheer al across the world.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Thomas Guycott

Pretty sure the MCP IN Tron was entirely CGI: there's BTS footage of the wireframe animation and discussion on lip syncing.

They tried it, ended up emulating the CG look with hand animation from what I recall.


Even a lot of the CG backgrounds in the film are traditional matte paintings.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

They tried it, ended up emulating the CG look with hand animation from what I recall.


Even a lot of the CG backgrounds in the film are traditional matte paintings.

I remember reading somewhere that TRON was the first film to use CG elements and that The Last Starfighter was the first film to have complete CG sequences.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I remember reading somewhere that TRON was the first film to use CG elements and that The Last Starfighter was the first film to have complete CG sequences.

Star Trek II?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Star Trek II?

Not sure. I just remember reading an article that said precisely that.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Not sure. I just remember reading an article that said precisely that.

I think Trek II beat Tron's release by a few days, and not really a fair comparison considering the scope of work in Tron versus the Genesis simulation footage, but yeah, Trek II claims to be the first.

There's also the opening titles of The Black Hole, but those were made with rudimentary tools, almost like CAD grids drawn to cels, nothing on the scale of Tron or even The Wrath Of Khan or The Last Starfighter.

The Black Hole Opening Credits - YouTube

[Scarface32]

How come in a thread about Star Wars, there is discussion about Tron, Roger Rabbit, Dragonheart, Star Trek, and others?

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

How come in a thread about Star Wars, there is discussion about Tron, Roger Rabbit, Dragonheart, Star Trek, and others?

[KMFDMvsEnya]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

How come in a thread about Star Wars, there is discussion about Tron, Roger Rabbit, Dragonheart, Star Trek, and others?

Well...

[Show spoiler]

[Thomas Guycott]

The first use of computer animation in a feature film was Westworld in 1973, where the gunslinger's vision was rendered by raster graphics. The first use of 3D models was in the 1976 sequel Futureworld.

[StingingVelvet]

Watched this disc again today while trying to stay awake (long story) and man, those CGI smoothed faces were much more obvious after hearing people complain about them. Even baby-faced John Boyega gets a good bit of smoothing in some shots.

[imsounoriginal]

I've already sold off my copy of TFA, just hung onto the code sheets, slipcover, and that cool black case with the stacked hubs. Unless VIII really knocks my socks off, I think I'll be able to wait for a VII-IX 3D trilogy set.

[Himmel]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

I've already sold off my copy of TFA, just hung onto the code sheets, slipcover, and that cool black case with the stacked hubs. Unless VIII really knocks my socks off, I think I'll be able to wait for a VII-IX 3D trilogy set.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I remember reading somewhere that TRON was the first film to use CG elements and that The Last Starfighter was the first film to have complete CG sequences.

Yes, for stuff like the light cycle, tank, "bit", solar sail, etc.
Last Starfighter was the first film to have its VFX be completely CG.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Star Trek II?

First full sequence. Pixar when they were still part of ILM as the "LucasFilm Computer Graphics Group".


Last Sherlock Holmes had the first photoreal CG character (stained glass knight). Pixar team again.

[Bickle76]

Originally Posted by Indiana Jonezzz...

Your response above is to someone who said there was nothing risky about TFA and that it didn't break new ground. So you're agreeing that it was a retread of the original trilogy, which is fine if that's what you want, but it certainly didn't do anything very much new.




I think Harrison agreed to come back as long as he was killed off in this film. They knew he had to die, so it was probably a matter of how can we do it with the most dramatic resonance for the story. I think the story was ultimately created around the realisation that they've got Harrison back for 1 film, he has to die, all the old cast has aged 30 years, the prequels suck, so let's make this film an original trilogy homage. It's not best way way to organically create the next chapter in an ongoing story.

I pretty much agree. I think Ford had been wanting to get whacked since esb. I don't think his request was seriously considered, or made its way into any draft. Billy Dee was backup if Ford was killed or permanently frozen.
I'll say Kennedy and team wanted to continue the story more than rebooting. They just weren't able to. I may be alone in this but I'd rather have an enjoyable OT remix than a sub par attempt at originality (that was not a prequel jab).