Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Arawn]

No.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

If the movies were meant to be seen in episodic order, then it would spoil the twist that Vader is Luke's father. Not ever kid knows it, as this video proves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHSAD1d-Mdk

Watch the movies in machete order.

IV and V, then II and III as a flashback, finish with VI. Skip I altogether.

[Nicolawicz]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

This is me not bashing the OT,

Actually, it is. Prequel lovers always try to put the originals down in order to elevate their beloved prequels.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by MasturB

I'm looking forward to Rogue One as its' the first original Star Wars movie to come out in 11 years.

Originally Posted by Arawn

If we overlook Dark Forces.

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Not a movie, it's a video game.

Originally Posted by Arawn

Doesn't make the premise any more original.

Originally Posted by Scarface32

But... you called it a movie.

Originally Posted by Arawn

No.

Yes you did. You called it a movie. You quoted someone saying Rogue One was the first original MOVIE in 11 years, and the way you responded is indicating that you indeed thought Dark Forces was a movie.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

TPM is horrendous looking on my UHD TV.
I can barely watch it!

Edge enhancment, fake grain, wax, smears and blurryness... omg!
Last time I saw this movie was on dvd!

This film needs to be fixed!

The podrace ain't that way. And worse than DVD hell no!!!!!! What???

While actors are smeared, the effects are awesome.

The color is a mess on the DVD. I prefer the wax if I can get the better effects look. The DVD is unwatchable in most respects being early in the format.

The movie looks fine to me, just wish the 3D version would come out.

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Watch the movies in machete order.

IV and V, then II and III as a flashback, finish with VI. Skip I altogether.

Why should anyone skip The Phantom Menace? Watching it strengthens the impact of Anakin’s ultimate downfall to see him go from an innocent child to a murderous Sith filled with hate.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Nicolawicz

Actually, it is. Prequel lovers always try to put the originals down in order to elevate their beloved prequels.

How am I putting originals down just because I am saying how I feel about them.

Machete order is ass to me. Episode I is essential in my view.

It isn't elevating, it is part of the story as the creator intended.

@hardbac247 in total agreement on that part.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Why should anyone skip The Phantom Menace?

Jar Jar Binks

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

The podrace ain't that way. And worse than DVD hell no!!!!!! What???

While actors are smeared, the effects are awesome.

The color is a mess on the DVD. I prefer the wax if I can get the better effects look. The DVD is unwatchable in most respects being early in the format.

The movie looks fine to me, just wish the 3D version would come out.

Early in the format?
Hell no! It came out in 2001, just before Episode 2 came to theaters in 2002.
DVD was around for about 4 or 5 years at that point!

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

How am I putting originals down just because I am saying how I feel about them.

Machete order is ass to me. Episode I is essential in my view.

It isn't elevating, it is part of the story as the creator intended.

@hardbac247 in total agreement on that part.

Ahem.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/14/star-w...ms-in-5564223/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/p...wakens-7011406

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome...URL=&referrer=

Going to say it again, I'm a story structure monkey. With smart pre-writing, plotting out each trilogy, "the creator" could have blown people's doors off. As things now stand, you don't really need Episode 1 OR Episode 2, because Lucas dropped the dangling story threads from both. You really can just go from Empire to Sith and then back to the OT to wrap it up with Jedi. Both Episode 1 and 2 become filler because, in "the creator's" words, he wanted to play in his universe with the first two films and then "ran out of time" to tie things together in Sith.

[bobbyh64]

I'm somewhat in agreement with ElvisForever. If we are to watch the entire saga, then perhaps some changes to the OT make more sense for an emotional impact, like Hayden in Jedi. I still prefer the original version though. I just think the OT are classic films and the PT are very mediocre compared to them. I also don't like seeing CGI in the OT because it looks so out of place.

What if other directors decided to do this to their old films? Would anyone be okay seeing a bunch of red CGI blood inserted in the shower scene in Psycho if Hitchcock had approved it? How about Coppola re-doing The Godfather so that when Pacino shoots the cop in the restaurant his head explodes? How about replacing the creature in Alien with a CGI version if Ridley Scott claimed he would've dobe that all along if he had the technology?

[Hardback247]

Is it really that hard to watch the series in episodic order? All it does is create a different kind of suspense for the "I am your father" scene. The thought of knowing if or when Luke will ever know the truth.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

The prequels are neither poorly written or badly executed. They only seem that way to some followers of the original trilogy.

So the chowder isn't too salty, it just tastes too salty.

Thanks for clearing that up

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

However, people forget the pitfalls in the old trilogy and the fact that Mark Hamil or Carrie Fisher were really not that great and just part of a much bigger story.

Take out the Luke/Vader/Palpatine showdown and Jedi sucked at least as much as TPM or AotC. And in most of the same ways, too.

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Why should anyone skip The Phantom Menace? Watching it strengthens the impact of Anakin’s ultimate downfall to see him go from an innocent child to a murderous Sith filled with hate.

We don't need to see Hitler's baby pictures to know that at some point Hitler was a baby. We all know Hitler started out as an innocent child. Two hours of Hitler's childhood home movies might be of interest to historians but I have a feeling they'd make for a pretty boring feature film.

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Is it really that hard to watch the series in episodic order? All it does is create a different kind of suspense for the "I am your father" scene. The thought of knowing if or when Luke will ever know the truth.

Obviously I'll never be able to watch them in episode order without having already seen the OT but I would think watching them that way for the first time the PT would lose a lot of its emotional impact.

There's a lot of poignant and/or chilling stuff in there that's only poignant and/or chilling because you know what happens down the road.

Then again, on the plus side, there would be that whole 'eat your vegetables first just to get them out of the way' angle so who knows.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

Is it really that hard to watch the series in episodic order? All it does is create a different kind of suspense for the "I am your father" scene. The thought of knowing if or when Luke will ever know the truth.

Luke is our "in" to the story. Lucas doesn't even bother to explain the Force in the Prequels, you have to wait for Obi-Wan and Yoda to educate Luke/the Audience in the OT...Lucas just expects you already know it or infer it. Episode Order doesn't work, from a story structure point-of-view.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Lucas doesn't even bother to explain the Force in the Prequels,...

Doesn't explain it? He over-explains it. And then some.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

Early in the format?
Hell no! It came out in 2001, just before Episode 2 came to theaters in 2002.
DVD was around for about 4 or 5 years at that point!

Early for transfers absolutely, early for good upscales yes, early for Lucas to translate information by going back to masters as opposed to using vhs transfer sources yes.

The last few years of DVD (i.e. superbit) saw great translations and things like elebaroate remastered sets...set the bar.

Look there are no right answers, but the bluray is better and worse for reasons I mentioned.

But like Hardback mentioned, no order of film will change how I feel about the main character who is Darth who barged into the space shuttle after instilling fear by seeing the look on the rebel soldiers faces.

It was always Darth for me. Haydn puts a human face on the terror that lies beneath. But make no mistake, his evil was clear in Episode III and without the progression of Ep. 1 and 2 it means nothing.

People feel how they feel, I can only make my case for what I see because I gave them a chance by watching them at least 10 times each.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by octagon

Doesn't explain it? He over-explains it. And then some.

The midis? That was created as a thread leading to Anakin learning the Dark Side can create and sustain life. Only Obi-Wan tells Luke/The Audience what the Force is. The Phantom Menace would receive sooo much more credit today if Lucas had just held to his guns, and had Qui-Gon tell Anakin what the Force was...an energy field created by all living things, surrounding, binding, controls your actions partially, but obeys your commands. You don't get any of that until A New Hope and Empire and Luke's education.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Luke is our "in" to the story. Lucas doesn't even bother to explain the Force in the Prequels, you have to wait for Obi-Wan and Yoda to educate Luke/the Audience in the OT...Lucas just expects you already know it or infer it. Episode Order doesn't work, from a story structure point-of-view.

Why because you have to be spoon fed? It is only after knowing that you think it doesn't work. To people that are wowed by the force, explaining later re-enforces the training of what you see performed.

Like Yoda said, you have to unlearn what you learned (are prejudiced). Just like you have to understand the "reveal" is an anticipation for people that are new.

Episode I works as a straight forward narrative to me. It doesn't work TO YOU, your opinion.

I think Jar Jar and the boy are unfairly criticized. Darth Maul,Quigon, and the Podrace keep me coming back. Luke is more annoying to me. I found the little boy to be quite inventive.

Not that I mind Luke's chatacter because he is suppaed to be annoying and a shadow of the strength of his father.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by hardback247

there actually is one biographical movie about hitler called downfall, which focuses on the last ten days of his life. It gives off a surprisingly sympathetic portrayal of the character. It was critically acclaimed, and was nominated for the academy award for best foreign language film.

love that movie!

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by octagon

We don't need to see Hitler's baby pictures to know that at some point Hitler was a baby. We all know Hitler started out as an innocent child. Two hours of Hitler's childhood home movies might be of interest to historians but I have a feeling they'd make for a pretty boring feature film.

The starting point doesn't matter. What matters is the journey. The downward spiral towards evil.