Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[TM2-Megatron]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

II know people will roll their eyes and call me dramatic but the SEs really kind of damaged my Star Wars love a good bit.

I know exactly what you mean. I wouldn't call myself a hardcore SW fan (prefer Trek, actually), but the SEs have significantly dulled my enthusiasm for the original trilogy. Though I have the 2006 bonus DVDs, I haven't actually watched the films in probably 5 or 6 years. I saw them enough as a kid to know them inside and out, and if I truly want to revisit them I can just play the score and visualize the movies in my head.

Going forward, until Disney sees fit to scan those trims FOX apparently still has and reinsert them into their existing 4K master, I guess I'll only be purchasing the new Disney-made generation of SW films (provided the quality holds up).

[captveg]

Lucasfilm/Disney owns all the film elements. Fox has nothing to do with those.

[stvn1974]

Out of all of Lucas stupid changes the one that irritates me the most is Vader's new "NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" in RotJ. The scene was perfect where you could see the anguish just from his head turns and John Williams music. I am convinced that Lucas knew how much people hated the NOOOOOOOOOO in RotS so he added it in as a final middle finger to the fans.

I watched the Star Trek episode City On The Edge Of Forever a bit earlier and the fact that they give you the option to watch both versions makes me hate what Lucas did that much more.

[shinobipopcorn]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

Out of all of Lucas stupid changes the one that irritates me the most is Vader's new "NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" in RotJ. The scene was perfect where you could see the anguish just from his head turns and John Williams music. I am convinced that Lucas knew how much people hated the NOOOOOOOOOO in RotS so he added it in as a final middle finger to the fans.

I watched the Star Trek episode City On The Edge Of Forever a bit earlier and the fact that they give you the option to watch both versions makes me hate what Lucas did that much more.

Normally I only collect Star Trek Hallmark ornaments, and the occasional cool one like Mr. Stay Puft or the DeLorean time vehicle, but one year they made Darth Vader fresh off the operating table complete with NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sound bite. Snapped that guy up in a second.

[JimSmith]

Originally Posted by Panama Jack

Bill Hunt at the Bits now saying the UOT is unlikely for this year:

http://www.digitalbits.com/columns/m...ts/022417-0100

Well I'll be damned, no theatrical versions of the original Star Wars trilogy will be released on a format greater than crappy VHS! The 1997 CGI from the Star Wars special editions is really showing it's God awful age, looking more horrendous as time goes on!

[dallywhitty]

We’ve essentially confirmed that Disney’s current 4K scan of the film is the most recent revised version (essentially the latest “special edition”), not the original theatrical edition.

[Brandon K]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I know people will roll their eyes and call me dramatic but the SEs really kind of damaged my Star Wars love a good bit.

Nope, I'm right there with you.

Originally Posted by Panama Jack

Bill Hunt at the Bits now saying the UOT is unlikely for this year:

http://www.digitalbits.com/columns/m...ts/022417-0100

I find it ironic that the information about a Star Wars restoration not coming anytime soon was reported from an event called "Animation Restoration at Walt Disney Studios" - given how much Disney has butchered their classic films for Blu-ray with their so-called "restorations," they should be the last ones giving a presentation about restoration and I fear for the restoration of the original Star Wars films even more than before.

[captveg]

The 4K scans referred to by TDB are irrelevant. I'll repeat myself again:

Disney is scanning EVERY piece of film ever shot for Star Wars right now. If they want to they will be able to reassemble the OT from scratch in the future.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by captveg

The 4K scans referred to by TDB are irrelevant. I'll repeat myself again:

Disney is scanning EVERY piece of film ever shot for Star Wars right now. If they want to they will be able to reassemble the OT from scratch in the future.

[Hardback247]

The only versions of the OT I think I'll ever need are the Despecialized Editions, and the Revisited Editions when they are finished.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by TravelNurseRN

I dont see how so many take the "official word" as Gospel. Lucas lied blatantly in the past about never planning episodes 7-9, then the Faces VHS where he talked about it, then his later denial again. He changed his tune so many times about anything related to possible sequels for decades.

Now, do you expect Disney to come out and risk a huge PR poo-storm by saying he lied about the originals still existing? No, now the claim is that only the excised bits were removed like nobody at LFL knows how to splice them in. So what he told us was true, from a certain point of view. They are softening the stance and hinting that a restoration is possible when it probably wasnt needed in the first place. They are just massaging the story from a PR perspective.

Lucas lied because he knew we would never rest. He could not say "stop asking me" to the media, he had to give them a dodgey answer. Lucas was a hardcore achivist, there is no way he destroyed his own material, it was only in a vault until a future Cashgrab

"George Lucas was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. Many years after the original trilogy was finished, he decided to make special editions of the films and became Darth Lucas. Some scenes were added, some were removed, and many of them even included computer generated imagery. When that happened, he told everyone that the original versions of the movies didn't exist anymore. Even though all of the original elements still exist in a vault somewhere and the originals could be peaced back together, technically they don't exist in complete form. So, what he told you was true... from a certain point of view."
-- Obi-Wan Kenobi

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Brandon K

Nope, I'm right there with you.


I find it ironic that the information about a Star Wars restoration not coming anytime soon was reported from an event called "Animation Restoration at Walt Disney Studios" - given how much Disney has butchered their classic films for Blu-ray with their so-called "restorations," they should be the last ones giving a presentation about restoration and I fear for the restoration of the original Star Wars films even more than before.

There is a difference between restoration and mastering. Most of the time, I've seen people get spun up about color timing, DNR, and/or contrast in the 2k mastering process, which has nothing to do with restoration and preservation. Disney's long been archiving their negatives in 4k for preservation, the mastering (color timing, grain and artifact removal, etc.) is finished in 2k for HD, but the actual negatives are captured with great care.

[Hardback247]

I'd like to see new 4K restorations of The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. The DNR in TPM and the blue tint in AOTC kind of irk me.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by Hardback247

I'd like to see new 4K restorations of The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. The DNR in TPM and the blue tint in AOTC kind of irk me.

I wonder how tricky a 4k presentation of Attack of the Clones would be, given its original capture resolution.

[Nicolawicz]

Its pathetic original capture resolution. The thing is about 800 lines, since it's cropped 1080p, not real anamorphic. I even remember complaining at the theater because I thought the projector was out of focus.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

There's some ego involved, but I think the truth was financial -- film tech is leaps and bounds ahead of where it was when he made the 1997 SE. The truth, as I understand it, was that (back in the early 2000's) he said he wasn't going to pay the (at the time) millions of dollars in man hours to put all those myriad removed sections back together again. Today, such a task would be (in relative terms) much easier and much less expensive. And in his defense, he was so taken aback by the outrage over the Han/Greedo scene, he said if he had to do it all over again, knowing what would eventually happen, he never would have done it.

Well, he could have done it all over again! He could've spent the money to to re-create the originals. To him a few million dollars is a couple bucks. Or, if he was really serious about reverting the Han Greedo scene back to the original, he could've done it for the Blu-ray, right?

[JimSmith]

George Mucus just loves smearing feces right in all of our faces doesn't he?

[The Fallen Deity]

Originally Posted by JimSmith

Well I'll be damned, no theatrical versions of the original Star Wars trilogy will be released on a format greater than crappy VHS! The 1997 CGI from the Star Wars special editions is really showing it's God awful age, looking more horrendous as time goes on!

They're available on Laserdisc and DVD as well. The transfers are s**t but at least they're better than the VHS releases.

[The Fallen Deity]

Bummer about the new transfer not being the theatrical cut.

I hope at the very least it's the '97 edition. I can live with that for now.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Nicolawicz

Its pathetic original capture resolution. The thing is about 800 lines, since it's cropped 1080p, not real anamorphic. I even remember complaining at the theater because I thought the projector was out of focus.

Is there even a point to shooting anamorphic with a digital camera? Wouldn't that just reduce the number of pixels on the sides of the image?