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View Poll Results: Which version of Star Wars Blu-ray will you be purchasing (or not)?
The Complete Star Wars Saga 1,335 72.48%
The Prequel Box Set 20 1.09%
The Original Trilogy Box Set 110 5.97%
Not Purchasing Star Wars Blu-ray 377 20.47%
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Old 08-18-2018, 05:17 PM   #65741
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Star Wars is a hot pile of garbage now.
Ehm it looks perfectly in line with Clone Wars and Rebels, in both style as execution.
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Old 08-18-2018, 05:20 PM   #65742
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I don't watch the cartoons but I think it's common sense to say Star Wars is in a rough spot after The Last Jedi was so divisive and Solo greatly under-performed. Whether you like those movies or not is kind of irrelevant to the point that the brand is in a low spot. Hopefully Abrams brings it back together.
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Old 08-18-2018, 07:30 PM   #65743
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I don't watch the cartoons but I think it's common sense to say Star Wars is in a rough spot after The Last Jedi was so divisive and Solo greatly under-performed. Whether you like those movies or not is kind of irrelevant to the point that the brand is in a low spot. Hopefully Abrams brings it back together.
Abrams is the reason its so screwed up.
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Old 08-18-2018, 08:33 PM   #65744
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I wish Luke had more to do in TLJ. As it is, the last part where he comes back is very effective, but when I think about the entire saga I wish he had more to do and would’ve come around sooner instead of the last part of the movie. I also wish he hadn’t died so that he could do more in Ep. IX. And I don’t really like that Kylo is the main baddie now. He wasn’t as evil as Snoke or as fun to hate. The way TLJ ended kinda seems like nothing is at stake now. There was no cliff hanger to make the audience wait in anticipation for the next chapter. It’s a good movie; I just feel weird about it. I go back and forth on how I feel about it. I don’t think any other movie has had that effect on me before.
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:49 PM   #65745
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I don't watch the cartoons but I think it's common sense to say Star Wars is in a rough spot after The Last Jedi was so divisive and Solo greatly under-performed. Whether you like those movies or not is kind of irrelevant to the point that the brand is in a low spot. Hopefully Abrams brings it back together.
Star Wars has been in a rough spot sine TPM...well actually 97'...actually ROTJ....well back then nobody really liked ESB either....man, this whole franchise is just...




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Old 08-18-2018, 09:54 PM   #65746
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Abrams is the reason its so screwed up.
Meh, I quite liked Force Awakens. Not an amazing movie by any means but solid genre entertainment. I mean if I were President of the World I would have let Star Wars be after Return of the Jedi, but if we're gonna flog the thing then I think Force Awakens is about as good as you can expect really. Abrams is well-suited to the kind of popcorn family entertainment Star Wars is.
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:55 PM   #65747
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I wish Luke had more to do in TLJ. As it is, the last part where he comes back is very effective, but when I think about the entire saga I wish he had more to do and would’ve come around sooner instead of the last part of the movie. I also wish he hadn’t died so that he could do more in Ep. IX.
Luke is going to be in IX, likely as a Force Ghost, if it makes you feel any better.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:02 PM   #65748
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Luke is going to be in IX, likely as a Force Ghost, if it makes you feel any better.
Has that been confirmed?
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:03 PM   #65749
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Has that been confirmed?
It's confirmed he's in it, and one assumes as a ghost. Or flashbacks.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:10 PM   #65750
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Meh, I quite liked Force Awakens. Not an amazing movie by any means but solid genre entertainment. I mean if I were President of the World I would have let Star Wars be after Return of the Jedi, but if we're gonna flog the thing then I think Force Awakens is about as good as you can expect really. Abrams is well-suited to the kind of popcorn family entertainment Star Wars is.
I'm not really a fan of TFA, but in light of TLJ, which openly took a dump on Star Wars, the fans, and even the movie prior, it's hella good.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:19 PM   #65751
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Han and Luke should have had an adventure together.
Luke has not had any real screen time with Han or Leia and Lando will be the odd one out as everyone else is now dead.
Abrams made a huge mistake and there's no redemption in last Jedi or force awakens.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:29 PM   #65752
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in light of TLJ, which openly took a dump on Star Wars, the fans, and even the movie prior
No, it didn't.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:30 PM   #65753
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Will Leia also appear in chapter IX - by the use of deleted material?
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:33 PM   #65754
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Will Leia also appear in chapter IX - by the use of deleted material?
Yes.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:53 PM   #65755
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Han and Luke should have had an adventure together.
Luke has not had any real screen time with Han or Leia and Lando will be the odd one out as everyone else is now dead.
Abrams made a huge mistake and there's no redemption in last Jedi or force awakens.
It would have been fine if Luke actually reacted in any way at all like he should have after hearing the news. Call me a hater, but it's Last Jedi that f**ked that all up IMO.
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:08 PM   #65756
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:13 PM   #65757
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Personally I liked most of The Last Jedi, including Luke's characterization. My big problem with the film is that pointless secondary plot with Rose and Finn. I always joke that Last Jedi is 30 minutes longer than the other films, and that's exactly the amount of time that needed to be cut from the film. I get the themes they were trying to explore there, but it needed a drastic rewrite to work in the film, IMO.

Otherwise, I think the movie is fine. It was weird that they had Johnson just wing his own story without any consideration of a specific trilogy arc, but it also leaves the door pretty wide open for Abrams to go wherever he wants in Episode IX.
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:19 PM   #65758
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I'm not really a fan of TFA, but in light of TLJ, which openly took a dump on Star Wars, the fans, and even the movie prior, it's hella good.
I actually quite enjoyed TFA despite its flaws, but TLJ was so awful that it actually made TFA worse in hindsight by abandoning all of the interesting things it set up and doubling down on the worst aspects of it.
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:28 PM   #65759
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Personally I liked most of The Last Jedi, including Luke's characterization. My big problem with the film is that pointless secondary plot with Rose and Finn. I always joke that Last Jedi is 30 minutes longer than the other films, and that's exactly the amount of time that needed to be cut from the film. I get the themes they were trying to explore there, but it needed a drastic rewrite to work in the film, IMO.

Otherwise, I think the movie is fine. It was weird that they had Johnson just wing his own story without any consideration of a specific trilogy arc, but it also leaves the door pretty wide open for Abrams to go wherever he wants in Episode IX.
Yeah, the Rose/Finn plot seems pointless. Maybe if it was drastically shorter it’d be okay, but it’s too long and has too much going on for little or no payoff. The notion that it was important for character development doesn’t make much sense to me. Maybe if this was a TV series then it would be fine to do that since you can waste time on stuff like that, but I don’t think it works well in a movie like this, especially when you only have one more movie to go.
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Narratively, the point of the Canto Bight subplot is to compromise Holdo’s plan for retreat to Crait, and align with the theme of inspiring a spark of hope in a new generation, epitomised by broom kid in the epilogue. However, on a character level this side narrative goes far deeper..

The whole point of the Canto Bight storyline is its pointlessness. How it endangers the Resistance, and forces Finn to shift motivation and commit to their cause. This side plot’s importance is not defined in traditional epic terms, instead taking the form of a mock-epic, with comic and tragic dimensions.

Poe initiates the plan because of issues he’s having with Holdo in his own arc. Even though it’s a risky and ridiculous plan, we expect it to succeed because bold plans historically work in films, Star Wars especially. [See Qui-Gon Jinn gambling Anakin’s future on the outcome of a podrace, Han evading Star Destroyers by flying into an asteroid field, or Luke confronting the all-powerful Emperor in vague hope of turning his father…]

When Holdo takes command of the Resistance, she gives a speech about restoring a spark of hope to the galaxy. She establishes the Resistance’s most important mission in that moment is surviving to inspire a new generation of freedom-fighters because the four-hundred they number at that point is not enough to combat the First Order.

Like Poe, Finn does not see the hope. Truly faithless is he who runs as soon as the road darkens. So he runs into Rose Tico, a woman who’s just lost her sister to a ‘heroic’ sacrifice at Poe’s hand but retains her optimism nonetheless. Finn is a distraction from her grief, but lets Rose down almost straight away. The new hero of the Resistance, scourge of Starkiller Base, proves to be just another coward eager to jump ship. The pair’s subsequent Canto Bight mission begins as an ointment to Rose’s pain and antidote to Finn’s embarrassment, but morphs into a quest of moral discovery.

Canto Bight itself is two short sequences that add ethical complexity to the universe, through a depiction of oligarchs who make money exploiting the military industrial complex. The rich elite on Canto Bight are strengthened by perpetual warring between First Order and Resistance. Status quo is the only thing that can hurt them. Meanwhile, Finn crosses paths with DJ, who becomes the Devil on his shoulder to Rose’s Angel. DJ looks out only for himself, as Finn is so-inclined, while Rose promotes doing the right thing regardless of personal reward. It should be noted that Finn and Rose only meet DJ because they unsubtly crashed into the Canto Bight beach, drawing heat from the police. They are super unqualified for this mission.

Canto Bight is Finn’s dark side cave, a mirror forcing him to confront his worldview and adjust it accordingly, in light of new information about the galaxy deprived from him by a youth spent as part of the First Order machinery. Rose’s story about herself and her sister’s home being mined and bombed by the First Order serves a related, important purpose. Finn believed spending his youth subjugated to the First Order system was justification to be permanently rid of them. Rose’s story shows him countless young lives have been destroyed by the First Order’s touch, and the correct response is not to run away, but to stand and fight against them, as she is doing, so no other children have to experience what they did.

Likewise, meeting DJ and witnessing his flip-flopping between aid and betrayal shows Finn there is a morality to picking sides. That remaining detached from any cause is pointless nihilism. He realises that nothing right in this world was ever achieved without a fight, and the only way to defeat the First Order is not to run away, or make them hurt — as he hurt the residents of Canto Bight with the Father stunt — but to inspire the galaxy to stand up to them, because a united wall of ideological opposition will hold up to any show of force. Interestingly, ideological opposition by show of the Force is exactly what Luke exhibits when facing Kylo Ren. It’s as if Rian Johnson does in fact understand how to construct a thematically consistent movie…

Finn never affiliated with the Resistance in The Force Awakens. He went to Starkiller Base under the ruse of insider knowledge in order to save Rey. The first word he utters in The Last Jedi is ‘Rey,’ when he wakes up in the bacta suit his first question to Poe is ‘where’s Rey’, and his first motivation is removing the binary beacon from the doomed Resistance ship so Rey will not return to a slaughter. Finn deserted the First Order in The Force Awakens out of hatred of their callous cruelty (murdering civilians on Jakku). All evidence considered, Finn smashing Phasma’s helmet and seeing her eye staring back as she calls him scum is an Empire-esque Luke seeing himself in Vader’s mask moment. Finn sees what he would have become if he’d stayed, someone who sees the rest of the galaxy as ‘scum’ to be controlled. Which leads to his triumphant affirmation that yes, he is ‘rebel scum’, because their cause is a just one of freeing the oppressed, not further enslaving them. A cause worth fighting for.

The Canto Bight storyline thus concludes with Rose preventing Finn’s suicide on Crait, finally teaching him the value of — as she eloquently puts it — ‘not fighting what we hate, saving what we love.’ That we resist tyranny not because we wish to destroy others, but because the values we hold dearest — respect for life, fairness, liberty — are worth defending. And they can’t be defended if the minority who recognise their importance self-immolate in futile heroic sacrifices, as Rose’s sister Paige falls victim to at the outset. There’s no such thing as a heroic sacrifice in Star Wars any more, especially when the lives of people we love are on the line. Luke becomes the last bastion of that outmoded virtue, and even his self-immolation is more of a peaceful ascension.
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