Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Speaking of the SE changes, here is one that I hope they fix as it has always bothered me from day one.







If you notice, they apparently 'cropped' the bottom off of the landspeeder to give it the appearance of 'more lift'.
But in doing so, it now stands out like a sore thumb.

So, here is hoping that they can add it back in while still giving it the appearance of more lift, which maybe just lowering it's shadow might accomplish instead.


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Really? That's pretty anal dude. I never even noticed, nor would have noticed if I hadn't read your post.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by octagon

Oh yes, the sales numbers are indisputable. The versions available for sale are clearly outselling the versions that are not available for sale.

*applause*

Anyone who thinks it's only "a few hardcore fans on the internet" who want the originals is delusional.

[gettodamoofies]

Originally Posted by octagon

Oh yes, the sales numbers are indisputable. The versions available for sale are clearly outselling the versions that are not available for sale.

Although I disagree with some of what Beast is saying (that it would cost too much) the fact is that the original versions were available on VHS & Laserdisc and are available to buy on DVD now. They most certainly are available for sale.

This article claims that 2.5 million copies of the OT (2004 version) were sold on its first day of release. One can only imagine how many copies it sold in the following days. I'd be interested to see how many copies of the single two-disc releases of the films with the original cuts have been sold. I'd honestly be surprised if those releases have sold 2.5 million copies each in their entire time of release which would make the sales pale in comparison.

Now to be clear: I want the original cuts on Blu-ray and in a perfect world that would be the case. I am not, however, somebody that prescribes to the notion that there is anything more than a very vocal minority calling for their release and declaring they will boycott any other type of release. What it basically boils down to is:

1) People who will buy Star Wars regardless of the version
2) People who will buy Star Wars regardless of the version, though would prefer the original cuts also be included
3) People who refuse to buy Star Wars if the original cuts are not included
4) People who refuse to buy Star Wars unless the only cuts included are the originals

By far the largest portion of people would fall into category 1. Then you've got people like me who would fall into the second - people who saw and grew up with the original versions before the '97 SE's came out yet can look past the changes and appreciate all the things in the films that still make them enjoyable. Lastly you have an undefined number of people in the third and fourth categories. Unfortunately for them, when you combine everyone from the first two categories they form an overwhelming majority of people who will purchase the release. So, basically what you have left is the small group of people demanding the originals from their creator who hates them and does not want to spend any additional money to release them. With the vast majority willing to financially support that viewpoint by buying the titles there is simply no motivation for Lucas to do so.

[al cos.]

That's all true but if everyone insisted that that level of profit (one higher than what a 3-pack of the theatrical star wars trilogy would hit) was the only acceptable level for releasing a disc, there'd hardly be anything on blu-ray.

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

Really? That's pretty anal dude. I never even noticed, nor would have noticed if I hadn't read your post.

Have you even read the posts in this thread? There are people who want half of each film changed, yet claim to like it.

[gettodamoofies]

Originally Posted by al cos.

That's all true but if everyone insisted that that level of profit (one higher than what a 3-pack of the theatrical star wars trilogy would hit) was the only acceptable level for releasing a disc, there'd hardly be anything on blu-ray.

Agreed, I'm just saying that when the decision's in Lucas' hands he's not really going to feel pressured to release them when it's not making an impact financially and he has no personal desire to see them released. Truthfully I suspect it's more his dislike of the original cuts than the financial prospects of releasing them.

As a few have mentioned, I think that anyone wanting to see the originals will have their best chance when the 3D releases come out. That way Lucas could capture the 3D market and the fans of the originals all with one release. Plus the window between these releases would have been significant (5 years or so) so that those who purchased the original Blu-ray releases might go for a double-dip.

If something like that doesn't motivate Lucas to release them then I don't think they ever will be while he's alive. He'll be 72 by the time ROTJ gets its 3D release so who knows what the future holds for Star Wars releases beyond that...

[octagon]

Originally Posted by atexp80

Truthfully I suspect it's more his dislike of the original cuts than the financial prospects of releasing them.

That does seem most likely. I agree that the people who care strongly about the original cuts are a minority but I don't think they're so small a minority that an unaltered release would lose money.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by Beast

And? It's not like he's taking away those VHS, Laserdisc, or DVD versions. They're there if you want them.

Yup!

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Beast

Why bother? Other than a few hardcore fans on the net.... most people don't care what version they own. That's clear from sales.

And yet 20% of the poll disagrees with this very statement. One fifth of the fans don't constitute "a few hardcore" types.

And I don't consider myself a hardcore SW fan. I'm just another moviegoer that likes movies, and I happen to appreciate the original SW trilogy for what it was, not so much for what it has become.

The prequels are a big toilet flush (on so many levels), but I'd stomach them if they were the only way I could get a restored unaltered classic trilogy.

Either way is fine with me. No original classic trilogy means I don't waste an extra $70 on the pretrash trilogy. Got lots ah other movies I can lay my hard-earned bones on, thank you very much.

[kenkraly2004]

The prequels are not bad films sure they have their flaws. But bad films? I've seen worse. I like all 6 star wars films even the special editions of the original trilogy. Why some fans continue to bash the special editions of the original trilogy and the prequel films I don't understand. Just enjoy star wars without complaining about the prequels and the changes to the original trilogy for the special edition's.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

And yet 20% of the poll disagrees with this very statement. One fifth of the fans don't constitute "a few hardcore" types.

And I don't consider myself a hardcore SW fan. I'm just another moviegoer that likes movies, and I happen to appreciate the original SW trilogy for what it was, not so much for what it has become.

The prequels are a big toilet flush (on so many levels), but I'd stomach them if they were the only way I could get a restored unaltered classic trilogy.

Either way is fine with me. No original classic trilogy means I don't waste an extra $70 on the pretrash trilogy. Got lots ah other movies I can lay my hard-earned bones on, thank you very much.

Good! Stick to your guns, and I encourage all those who feel the same to do so as well. It will be the only way the powers that be get the message if there are enough doing it; but, IMO, there are not enough SW UOT worshiping extremists on the planet to hurt sales of the upcoming BD's.

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

Perhaps I can find new ways to motivate him.

I tell you, these blu-rays will be operational as planned!

[Beast]

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

And yet 20% of the poll disagrees with this very statement. One fifth of the fans don't constitute "a few hardcore" types.

It does when the sample size is so small. 20% is nothing. And then you have to consider for the most part only the most hardcore movie fans are going to be nerdy enough to post on a movie forum. So yeah, the sample size is way too small to be proof of anything.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Dotpattern

Our heroes are ushered into the freezing chamber. C-3PO is strapped to Chewbacca's back. Vader sees 3PO!

Vader: 3PO?? C-3PO??
C-3PO: Oh dear! How do you know me?
Vader: I made you! Don't you remember?
C-3PO: I'm afraid I don't.
Vader: I'm Anakin Skywalker! I mean, uh, I mean I was Anakin Skywalker. That name no longer has any meaning for me...but everything else in my life during that time still does! Because I'm very sentimental you know.
C-3PO: I still have no idea what you're talking about.
Vader: What did they do to you? Did they erase your memory?? Well...this whole conversation was a waste, wasn't it?? Put Captain Solo in!

The plot-hole screamers are satisfied that it's been explained. The movie is dumb for it.

Priceless!

I don't think there is any other movie (Saga) that people take apart as much as SW.

Originally Posted by Beast

Heee. I've always wondered if people wanted the movie to pause, and the characters to spell things out them.

They need it, because they don't want their brains switched on while watching a movie. ,but they sure as heckfire wnat to complain about the stupidity of the movies, and the giant plot holes....

Originally Posted by BouCoupDinkyDau

And yet 20% of the poll disagrees with this very statement. One fifth of the fans don't constitute "a few hardcore" types.

And I don't consider myself a hardcore SW fan. I'm just another moviegoer that likes movies, and I happen to appreciate the original SW trilogy for what it was, not so much for what it has become.

The prequels are a big toilet flush (on so many levels), but I'd stomach them if they were the only way I could get a restored unaltered classic trilogy.

Either way is fine with me. No original classic trilogy means I don't waste an extra $70 on the pretrash trilogy. Got lots ah other movies I can lay my hard-earned bones on, thank you very much.

Comes from someone who has "The Mummy" in his collection.

I enjoy The Mummy too, but because it's trash.
I think u r taking SW way too seriously, and never GOT SW in the first place, but anyway to each his own.

Don't buy it then. Send a signal to the hats at Lucasfilm. I am sure that's going to change everything.
It's not about the money, it's about George's original conception of what SW was supposed to be.
He was never happy with the UOT, hence the touch-ups, which could be improved upon, and he has, but let's see what the latest versions are going to look like...

[kenkraly2004]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I don't think there is any other movie (Saga) that people take apart as much as SW.



They need it, because they don't want their brains switched on while watching a movie. ,but they sure as heckfire wnat to complain about the stupidity of the movies, and the giant plot holes....



Comes from someone who has "The Mummy" in his collection.

I enjoy The Mummy too, but because it's trash.
I think u r taking SW way too seriously, and never GOT SW in the first place, but anyway to each his own.

Don't buy it then. Send a signal to the hats at Lucasfilm. I am sure that's going to change everything.
It's not about the money, it's about George's original conception of what SW was supposed to be.
He was never happy with the UOT, hence the touch-ups, which could be improved upon, and he has, but let's see what the latest versions are going to look like...

I agree bluyoda what bothers me the most is people bashing on the SE's of the OT and the prequels and saying GL is milking the money for the blu-ray release and the 3D release. If you don't like star wars then don't watch it. It's either you like all 6 films or you don't like them at all. For me I like all 6 films even the prequels and the clone wars movie and tv series.

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by Beast

And? It's not like he's taking away those VHS, Laserdisc, or DVD versions. They're there if you want them.

Who in there right mind wants to watch a movie on inferior technology such as VHS or non-anamorphic widescreen?

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by JoshKelhoffer

Who in there right mind wants to watch a movie on inferior technology such as VHS or non-anamorphic widescreen?

But they are suppose to be the better, true version of Star Wars according to some, the pre 1997 Star Wars, the real Star Wars

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

But they are suppose to be the better, true version of Star Wars according to some, the pre 1997 Star Wars, the real Star Wars

Except that the 1997 versions are now inferior, as well. The current 2004 versions are closer to the vision that some of our Star Wars fans want to see. If only the 2011 editions have dancing gungans, farting tauntauns, 90 million explosions, more shiny effects, and every single hint of pre-2011 wiped out, then our friends may very well enjoy the original Star Wars films.....until 2012, when the technology has once again improved

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by JoshKelhoffer

Except that the 1997 versions are now inferior, as well. The current 2004 versions are closer to the vision that some of our Star Wars fans want to see. If only the 2011 editions have dancing gungans, farting tauntauns, 90 million explosions, more shiny effects, and every single hint of pre-2011 wiped out, then our friends may very well enjoy the original Star Wars films.....until 2012, when the technology has once again improved

in 2012, sure at which point some people will start to climb their soap box and say that they were much better in 1997. Moral of the story, some people just like to think the old days were so much better then the present and have a blind nostalgia towards it, c'est la vie!

[JoshKelhoffer]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

in 2012, sure at which point some people will start to climb their soap box and say that they were much better in 1997. Moral of the story, some people just like to think the old days were so much better then the present and have a blind nostalgia towards it, c'est la vie!

Don't be so quick to judge. I don't prefer the original cuts simply because of nostalgia. I'm only in my 20s. I was like 11 when the '97 editions came out. So don't play me out to be an old man. I don't like the stupid humor added into the films. Greedo now looks like an idiot because he can't hit a target barely two feet away. The scene with Jabba's tail is really dumb. The dance number in ROTJ makes me want to puke.

I'll give you two things that I felt was improved in 1997. There is a shot in the original cut where Biggs says "I can't shake him!" This is followed by a rather slow shot of his X-Wing and the pursuing Tie Fighter moving at an extremely slow rate. They replaced it with a much better shot. They also removed that orange blob from Mos Eisley. The other subtle changes I don't mind. It's just the stupid jokes. Kinda makes me think of Futurama or Spaceballs every time I watch those cuts.