Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Ryan0503]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Not really, since why would the Empire fall apart with the Emperor being destroyed? There have got to be generals somewhere who wouldn't mind stepping in the Emperor's footsteps. The original felt more appropriate, since there was no indication of the entire Empire being swept away. It was a huge defeat, yes, but not the end at all.

The way I see it is in the PT Palpatine was using the dark side to control the senate and sway their votes. So once the Empire came about he was able to maintain absolute control with fear and a little dark side persuasion. Now, once he was destroyed in ROTJ he lost his sway over the minds of his imperial officers, and the adverage citizen had no reason to be controled by fear any longer (as is apparent by them pulling over his statue on Coresaunt). I relate it much to Hitler and Nazi Germany, once Hitler died it pretty much crumbled.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Ryan0503

The way I see it is in the PT Palpatine was using the dark side to control the senate and sway their votes. So once the Empire came about he was able to maintain absolute control with fear and a little dark side persuasion. Now, once he was destroyed in ROTJ he lost his sway over the minds of his imperial officers, and the adverage citizen had no reason to be controled by fear any longer (as is apparent by them pulling over his statue on Coresaunt). I relate it much to Hitler and Nazi Germany, once Hitler died it pretty much crumbled.

The difference there is the Nazi 'Empire' crumbled before Hitler shot himself. That's kinda why he did it

In that galaxy far, far away there would have surely been a power vaccuum but there would have also been a more or less fully functional infrastructure ready to serve whom or whatever filled that void.

And no, I don't have any real problem with complete victory almost immediately following Palpatine's ill-advised recruiting pitches. As plot devices go that was pretty easy to shrug off and go along with.

I'm simply agreeing with those who believe that the loss of Palpatine didn't necessarily have to mean the collapse of the Empire (and certainly not its immediate collapse).

[Ryan0503]

Originally Posted by octagon

The difference there is the Nazi 'Empire' crumbled before Hitler shot himself. That's kinda why he did it

In that galaxy far, far away there would have surely been a power vaccuum but there would have also been a more or less fully functional infrastructure ready to serve whom or whatever filled that void.

And no, I don't have any real problem with complete victory almost immediately following Palpatine's ill-advised recruiting pitches. As plot devices go that was pretty easy to shrug off and go along with.

I'm simply agreeing with those who believe that the loss of Palpatine didn't necessarily have to mean the collapse of the Empire (and certainly not its immediate collapse).

There is no indication how much time elapses between scenes in Star Wars movies ... it could have been weeks or months after the death of palpatine and the fall of the empire; However I do believe there is probably no solid right or wrong answer, just however one chooses to interpret it

[horizonline]

Originally Posted by Ryan0503

The way I see it is in the PT Palpatine was using the dark side to control the senate and sway their votes. So once the Empire came about he was able to maintain absolute control with fear and a little dark side persuasion. Now, once he was destroyed in ROTJ he lost his sway over the minds of his imperial officers, and the adverage citizen had no reason to be controled by fear any longer (as is apparent by them pulling over his statue on Coresaunt). I relate it much to Hitler and Nazi Germany, once Hitler died it pretty much crumbled.

That's the idea I think. My fathers side had my grandfather moving from holland to avoid the invasion in enschede (see Band Of Brothers too) and we lost our very wealthy hotel bussines. On my mothers side my family also moved from Europe (Denmark) during the Soviet take-over of Eastern Europe, resulting with my grandfather separating from his wife, the Russian princess, and my greatgrandfather helping to fund the begining of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. That's a true story, and we have photos, film, and even a newspaper article to prove it.

[aiman04]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

No it is not.

And that is a True Truth.

Yes it is. Sorry for the confusion mine is not an American release.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

No it is not.

And that is a True Truth.

I think the US release of True Lies was the only one that wasn't anamorphic. You guys lost out on Frantic as well.

[robmlisanti]

So has there been any confirmed changes in the trilogy that anyone got wind of? EX: Yoda in TPM? curious why they havent said anything pertaining to that.
I know George wasn't happy with it.

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by robmlisanti

So has there been any confirmed changes in the trilogy that anyone got wind of? EX: Yoda in TPM? curious why they havent said anything pertaining to that.
I know George wasn't happy with it.

it is pretty much a guarantee since he was updated for Star Wars in Concert and Lucas calls it the "new footage" or something like that in the behind the scenes stuff. I am curious about what is being integrated back into the film and what will be just deleted scenes. The footage of Luke building his lightsaber in Jedi is going to be there but is it as a deleted scene or put back into the movie? From one article I read somewhere, it almost sounded like they were putting it back in which would be a major change to the film. I can see a lot of minor things to tie the 2 trilogies in better (maybe an old battle droid being put in with the droids for sale in Star Wars) but I would think that there would be relatively few if any major changes since he didn't do them before in the special edition. Unless there was that one piece of footage he just couldn't find.....

[siso]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

it is pretty much a guarantee since he was updated for Star Wars in Concert and Lucas calls it the "new footage" or something like that in the behind the scenes stuff. I am curious about what is being integrated back into the film and what will be just deleted scenes. The footage of Luke building his lightsaber in Jedi is going to be there but is it as a deleted scene or put back into the movie? From one article I read somewhere, it almost sounded like they were putting it back in which would be a major change to the film. I can see a lot of minor things to tie the 2 trilogies in better (maybe an old battle droid being put in with the droids for sale in Star Wars) but I would think that there would be relatively few if any major changes since he didn't do them before in the special edition. Unless there was that one piece of footage he just couldn't find.....

Adding these scenes to the movies would be supurb.

[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by aiman04

I have True Lies DVD, it's anamorphic.

That's a complete lie, or you don't know what anamorphic is.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by siso

Adding these scenes to the movies would be supurb.

I think you meant to say subpar...

Would be unnecessary additions which is the issue with most of the deleted scenes being added back into any of the Star Wars films (outside of Revenge of the Sith). First it ruins pacing and second they are redundant thus the reason they were deleted in the first place.

Luke being shown buliding his lightsaber is unnecessary and sort of downplays the thrill of seeing it ignited for the first time in the Sarlacc battle. Second, Vader trying to communicate with Luke was done at the end of Empire. Why cover the same terroritory again? I hope they don't add any deleted scenes back into any of the movies as they really are pointless (with the exception of the first meeting of the rebellion in Sith).

Another example is Luke's discussion with Biggs (Biggs joining the rebellion) at the beginning of ANH. Not needed. We get the idea Luke wants off the planet numerous times with his discussions with his uncle. Not to mention how he gets excited to hear about how Threepio and R2 were in service of the Rebellion and his later statement of: "I don't like the Empire, I hate it." in Obi Wan's hut. Don't get me started on the Jabba scene...

While the deleted scenes are interesting to see, they should stay just that, deleted. They typically add NOTHING to the plot.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by octagon

The difference there is the Nazi 'Empire' crumbled before Hitler shot himself. That's kinda why he did it

The way I always heard it, was that when U.S. troops finally won victory over the Nazis, Hitler took his own life because he didn't want to be punished for his actions. His death was that of a hateful, racist coward.

I'm simply agreeing with those who believe that the loss of Palpatine didn't necessarily have to mean the collapse of the Empire (and certainly not its immediate collapse).

Palpatine was the linchpin of the Empire, the very heart of it in fact. Most officers under his control didn't even meet him; instead, they dealt with Vader on his behalf. But in the end, Vader was merely the face of the Empire; Palpatine held it all together. It's like the old saying, "If you want to destroy an army, take out the general".

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by aggienader08

That's a complete lie, or you don't know what anamorphic is.

He said its not the american release.

So your are saying he is wrong ?

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Jay444

I think you meant to say subpar...

Would be unnecessary additions which is the issue with most of the deleted scenes being added back into any of the Star Wars films (outside of Revenge of the Sith). First it ruins pacing and second they are redundant thus the reason they were deleted in the first place.

Luke being shown buliding his lightsaber is unnecessary and sort of downplays the thrill of seeing it ignited for the first time in the Sarlacc battle. Second, Vader trying to communicate with Luke was done at the end of Empire. Why cover the same terroritory again? I hope they don't add any deleted scenes back into any of the movies as they really are pointless (with the exception of the first meeting of the rebellion in Sith).

Another example is Luke's discussion with Biggs (Biggs joining the rebellion) at the beginning of ANH. Not needed. We get the idea Luke wants off the planet numerous times with his discussions with his uncle. Not to mention how he gets excited to hear about how Threepio and R2 were in service of the Rebellion and his later statement of: "I don't like the Empire, I hate it." in Obi Wan's hut. Don't get me started on the Jabba scene...

While the deleted scenes are interesting to see, they should stay just that, deleted. They typically add NOTHING to the plot.

They do and they don't. Take Biggs for example. Why should we care when he dies at the end of the movie? We know very little about him other than he knows Luke. The scene of them before the battle can be removed and it has no impact on the movie. Yet if you include the earlier scene of him telling Luke he is joining the rebellion, it gives him a little more character so his death hits you harder (well in theory anyways). Yes, a lot of scenes are deleted for a reason but it is not always that they don't serve any purpose - run times play a big role in determining what scenes can stay and what gets cut. There are scenes in the movies that I think are not needed anyways (do we really need to see the stormtroopers shooting/capturing Leia or wouldn't it have a bigger impact if that was cut and we just see them taking her to Vader instead) but that doesn't mean they should be cut. It is a matter of taste and what the film maker feels is important.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by Jay444

I think you meant to say subpar...

Would be unnecessary additions which is the issue with most of the deleted scenes being added back into any of the Star Wars films (outside of Revenge of the Sith). First it ruins pacing and second they are redundant thus the reason they were deleted in the first place.

Luke being shown buliding his lightsaber is unnecessary and sort of downplays the thrill of seeing it ignited for the first time in the Sarlacc battle. Second, Vader trying to communicate with Luke was done at the end of Empire. Why cover the same terroritory again? I hope they don't add any deleted scenes back into any of the movies as they really are pointless (with the exception of the first meeting of the rebellion in Sith).

Another example is Luke's discussion with Biggs (Biggs joining the rebellion) at the beginning of ANH. Not needed. We get the idea Luke wants off the planet numerous times with his discussions with his uncle. Not to mention how he gets excited to hear about how Threepio and R2 were in service of the Rebellion and his later statement of: "I don't like the Empire, I hate it." in Obi Wan's hut. Don't get me started on the Jabba scene...

While the deleted scenes are interesting to see, they should stay just that, deleted. They typically add NOTHING to the plot.

And if George adds some deleted scenes back in, hopefully the effects are brought in line with the general quality of the movie. See the pod race, you can still see which shots weren't in the original theatrical release. And later on, it's odd hearing Jar Jar say the Queen's pretty hot (or do I mishear that)?

Like I mentioned earlier, the Padme's Eldery House scenes would be great if added back in to Episode 2 (better build up of the love segments in my opinion).
Some of ROTS"s deleted scenes are also worth adding in (Yoda's arrival on Dagobah, Rise of the Rebellion like you mentioned).

And about the Biggs comment, I do find that the scene before the fight is good, because we see they are friends (and the scene is rather short), something which is missing otherwise (and no, I don't think 1 line about Beggar's Canyon really makes them feel like friends without any of the other scenes ). However the Tosche Station scenes only repeat that Luke is bored and wants to get off the planet just like Biggs to join the Academy and maybe join the Rebellion afterwards, all of which is mentioned in dialogue in other segments and one iconic visual image.

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by Jay444

I think you meant to say subpar...

Would be unnecessary additions which is the issue with most of the deleted scenes being added back into any of the Star Wars films (outside of Revenge of the Sith). First it ruins pacing and second they are redundant thus the reason they were deleted in the first place.

Luke being shown buliding his lightsaber is unnecessary and sort of downplays the thrill of seeing it ignited for the first time in the Sarlacc battle. Second, Vader trying to communicate with Luke was done at the end of Empire. Why cover the same terroritory again? I hope they don't add any deleted scenes back into any of the movies as they really are pointless (with the exception of the first meeting of the rebellion in Sith).

Another example is Luke's discussion with Biggs (Biggs joining the rebellion) at the beginning of ANH. Not needed. We get the idea Luke wants off the planet numerous times with his discussions with his uncle. Not to mention how he gets excited to hear about how Threepio and R2 were in service of the Rebellion and his later statement of: "I don't like the Empire, I hate it." in Obi Wan's hut. Don't get me started on the Jabba scene...

While the deleted scenes are interesting to see, they should stay just that, deleted. They typically add NOTHING to the plot.

I wholeheartedly agree. I am all for seeing new footage in the form of deleted scenes in a special features section; but there is no need to add such a described scene to make a "new beginning" to RotJ. To be fair, I think I read somewhere that this was going to be treated more as a deleted scene rather than integrated into the movie; which I truly hope is the case.

[blonde_devil]

I'm hoping they are just extras too and not part of the movie but all I meant was that if they are done the right way, they don't have to take away from the movie. Look at the special editions of Aliens and T2. Those extra scenes don't really hurt the movie at all. To each their own. I am sure that once the blurays come out, you will be able to find tons of fan-edits with all the scenes put back in (might actually be interesting to see that once just to see what Lucas originally thought the movies would be).

[Uxi]

Anything removed for time considerations should be put back in. The movie wanting to get into more viewings per screen per day isn't a legitimate artistic concern. The birth of the Rebellion scenes absolutely should be in as they're integral to the saga. The extended Jango vs Obi-wan Kamino fight, as well as the extended Jango vs Mace.

"Pacing" is a better argument, but the standards on home use are different than in a theater environment, and is probably most of the other deleted scenes, included ones like the Wampas and Snow troopers, etc.

I, for one, would like to see the originally conceived beginning of ANH, with Luke wasting his times and taking up the binocs to see Vader's Star Destroyer capturing the Princess' ship.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

I'm hoping they are just extras too and not part of the movie but all I meant was that if they are done the right way, they don't have to take away from the movie. Look at the special editions of Aliens and T2. Those extra scenes don't really hurt the movie at all. To each their own. I am sure that once the blurays come out, you will be able to find tons of fan-edits with all the scenes put back in (might actually be interesting to see that once just to see what Lucas originally thought the movies would be).

Well you do get to choose the edition you prefer on the Alien Anthology, something we don't have to expect on the Star Wars set

If that were the case this thread would have been a lot shorter

@Uxi

Extended Jango vs Obi Wan and Jango vs Mace? Didn't even know those were filmed :O

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by starwarsagent

Who's in the race? Do you see Anakin beating sebulba?????

Is Quadrineros there and all the other cool podracers???

Yup, you see sebulba but that's really it.

Going to the press party tonight. George is rumored to be there!! Will take pics.