Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[WhoDat]

I still think that movie choices will have a major play in it. Un-edumacated folks will buy a HD player and find out that they can't watch Spidey on it or any other of their favorite movie titles for BLU only. Since I selected Blu, I just deal with not being able to watch Transformers in HD and move on.

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

Whats to say that Toshiba/M$ won't pull another one out of their A$$ at the last minute. Pay Warner what they would lose in sales to go HD Exclusive like they did paramount?

I agree, if warner goes blu it's over, but HD keeps throwing these last sec hail mary's to stay in the game somehow???

Because Warner knows if they do that it will offically kill the format, and give the keys to their future to Bill Gates. Anyone thinking Warner going HD exclusive ends the war in favor of HD is deluded. What it would do is pit 3 major stuidos against the other 3 major stuidos. Customers will NEVER adopt highdef in that situation so both formats will lose.

Bottom line is they are not short sighted like Paramount, Warner is whole different animal. If they were going to drop BR they would have done it already....remember they are already getting paid by HD because they get royalties. That's key......it's in their intrest right now to be exclusive to HD yet they are not. Why would that be unless they knew the best possible outcome would be with Bluray and sooner it ends the sooner they can make money off it.

At least that's the impression I get.

[davidPS3]

Where's the Warner annoucement? That could change the tide here with the discussion of low end hd dvd players.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by WhoDat

I still think that movie choices will have a major play in it. Un-edumacated folks will buy a HD player and find out that they can't watch Spidey on it or any other of their favorite movie titles for BLU only. Since I selected Blu, I just deal with not being able to watch Transformers in HD and move on.

Yes, but you didn't buy the HD DVD version of Transformers thinking would play on your blu-ray.

[greekjgg]

Heck, if Warner today decided to go blu exclusive,they could clearance out all their HD Dud media with all these $199 players!! LOL

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Leaf

now that sub $199 hd dvd players are flying off shelves what are blu-ray doing to counter it? if they wait to see if this have an impact on software sales it might already be too late.

I dont think much if any . BD's just sell better period

[Go Blu]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

Heck, if Warner today decided to go blu exclusive,they could clearance out all their HD Dud media with all these $199 players!! LOL

Yeah antique collectors can get a jump start on this player and add it to their collection real cheap!

[WhoDat]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Yes, but you didn't buy the HD DVD version of Transformers thinking would play on your blu-ray.

Yes, but like I said some folk wont think about it and assume they can not having wind of a "war".

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by BigB88

It really doesn't matter what you say, you seem to have a very relaxed (I don't care what the competition does) attitude, which is fine, that's your right. However, you and I and everyone else on this forum know that this cheapass crap is going to sell and it is going to sell big, simply because it is cheap. Forget about 1080i/1080p, lossless audio, more popular titles, etc. When it comes down to really really cheap prices, people are going to buy, there is no escaping this fact and there is nothing you can say or do to change this. But the BDA can say and do a lot, they simply choose not to. From strictly a business perspective, they are eliminating at least 60% of their potential market for the sake of a couple of bucks. Not logical. They need to lower prices, it is as simple as that. Sony & Disney are doing their part, we (the consumer and Blu-ray supporters) are doing our part. It's time for the Fox's, Samsung's Pioneer's, Phillip's, etc. to do theirs.

Yes thank you, great post.

We cannot let our guard down one second. I hate this relaxed "no biggie it wont sell" attitude. We ignore cheap HDDVD players at our peril. They are, and will be selling like crazy at this price point, it is a problem for BD.

We should never ceed ANY point to HDDVD, even if it means a cheaper BD player. Once we get a sub 200 BD player, what excuse does HDDVD have left?

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by WhoDat

Yes, but like I said some folk wont think about it and assume they can not having wind of a "war".

And that is why they will get pissed off and return the HD DVD player...

[powerSURG]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

This must be the 50th Douchebag thread started by a low post count new member talking about the 199 price. Ive reported your post like the other 49 threads and i hope you get run over by a bus.

Hugs and Kisses.

LoLz

Thank you blitz. I think you said what many were thinking.

[k20king]

its more like what will HD-DUD wil ldo to survive.

Blu has all the leverage!!!

People who buy Hi-Def electronics are more savvy than looking for something cheap.

Price can only go a long way!

\Go Blu!

I love Spidey Tril, cant wait for Cars and Ratou!!

[greekjgg]

Taken from an article about Disney from TVPRedictions......

"Meanwhile, The Hollywood Reporter has shed more light on an earlier report that Warner Bros. may be considering endorsing one format exclusively. The studio has until now released films in both formats.

The publication writes that Warner is watching how the Toshiba sub-$200 HD DVD player performs over the next several weeks. If there's little impact on sales, Warner may endorse Blu-ray."


This proves my point from earlier!! Hopefully Warner is smart enough to realize selling these units doesn't move more software neccesairily.

[Terjyn]

HD-DVD is cheaper, so it will win the war.

Ok, not at 800$ it's not winning, wait until 600$.

Ok, sorry. At 600$ it's not winning, wait until 500$. In the meantime we have these 200$ Xbox add-ons which will help!

Doh, our bad. At 500$ we are still losing. But we have this new player coming out at 350$. That one will do it.

Whoops. Uhh. Here, take these 250$ players, please.

Guess that didn't do it either. Here's a 200$ out of print model.

What in the world convinces people that suddenly, now, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that HD-DVD is suddenly going to have a massive turnaround, with the same selling point they have had from day 1?

One popular definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result...

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by Leaf

now that sub $199 hd dvd players are flying off shelves what are blu-ray doing to counter it? if they wait to see if this have an impact on software sales it might already be too late.

What are you talking about?? Couterstrike what? We won already. This is over. Now you're just trying to yell and ***** for cheaper players. We're done. Writing's on the wall. HDDVD will now slowly start to wither away and die. No one gives a shit about these cheap players. This is the last thread I am going to read about "What is the BDA doing?" or "Where Are the Cheap BD Players?" or "Sony isn't doing enough!" or any similar shit. ATTENTION EVERYONE: SHUT UP. Seriously. This is pathetic. I just want to smash my head on the keyboard reading this crap. And the BALLS of the people who go into the goddamned Insiders Thread and yell at those industry people "WE NEED CHEAPER PLAYERS" and tell them how to do their job, like these yokels know how the business works. If these cheap ass hunks of shit at Walmart play a role in reversing the format war, I will eat a bucket of my own shit. ARGH!!!

[theNothingComes]

Originally Posted by CYMBOL

I got pounced on when I first showed up here as well. I made a thread saying we needed to right to Fox and Disney, for them to start releasing more movies - or Blu-ray wouldn't make it (since Universal was coming out with tons of movies at the time). I got jumped on quick. I pointed out to people that I was suggesting something I thought was "helpful" for Blu-ray - they lightened up after a bit.

Anyway - can someone else please comment on the PQ for these movies - I am VERY interested.

Are these PQ worth the upgrade?

Please be as honest as you can.

Thanks.

I was afraid I was going to be kicked of before I'd hardly begun and I understand why. I was came off very negative my first time out of the gate. Thanks for the message. I think they'll me stay.

[greekjgg]

[QUOTE=Terjyn;309706]HD-DVD is cheaper, so it will win the war.

What in the world convinces people that suddenly, now, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that HD-DVD is suddenly going to have a massive turnaround, with the same selling point they have had from day 1?
QUOTE]

This shows the industry that price will move this market. Set aside all ps3 owners for a sec, how does blu match up then? Sony's strat is to market this $399 player as a blu player then a game machine, which means I still have to spend $30 for a "real" remote, not a controller.

Look at the price drops/model changes Sony has had to do to stimulate ps3 sales in general?

DvD players didn't sell until they hit the $199 mark

[theNothingComes]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...6&postcount=50



You should do it about once a year. As your TV ages from use it falls out of calibration



Spidey was done by the finest people Sony have. LD was an analog medium, where a bad pressing could cause snow and other disc glitches(especially from Columbia, how many great LDs have rotted from them?). You're simply seeing differences in film stocks and cinematography choices, and the fact that Super35 is inherently grainy.

Sam Raimi has a very gritty style in general. Why 3 is cleaner than the rest I couldn't tell you. I can tell you that while I haven't gotten my set yet, the samples I've been seeing are consistant with each film's theatrical presentation

I started my film collecting with Super 8mm (yes I'm that old). So I know grain.

Went from film to the RCA dics, LDs, VHS (hated it), DVD loved it - Blu-Ray (can't and hopefully won't have to live with out it)

I will be trying a number of things suggested and I will be very carefull from now on as to how I word my postings.

After my apologies I hope that everyone will not view me as a troll, turd or jackass but really a true and devoted blu lover.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by greekjgg

DvD players didn't sell until they hit the $199 mark

That's not even kind of true. They sold MORE. But they were selling just fine long before they hit that mark. Why are people OBSESSED with this? Just because it was one of HDDVD's old talking points?? Seriously. Wrong wrong wrong. I'm now gonna toss all 199ers onto my ignore pile. That's how bad it's gotten.

[k20king]

this is more of HD-DUD getting rid of old/existing inventory ASAP!

They are trying to cover up current and potential losses.

I think they were hoping for a bigger turnaround with Transformers, but since the sales numbers did not meet their expectations...you wonder...


What now? for Hd-DUD...shootblu-ray doens't need to counter strike!

HD-Dud Fanboys need to wake up.

Go Blu!