Worst comic book movie

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Pyre

when has he never been pissed off?

btsecke beat me too it

Which I never understand why Alan Moore just keep letting his books turn into movies? He's always pissed off at what was done. But if he's taking the huge check that Hollywood is giving him, well then don't complaint. If you know they will destroy your work, don't sell it too them. Plenty of writters who never felt the need to sell their books to Hollywood, do the same Alan Moore.

[khoops7]

I don't agree with Ghost Rider, I thought it was a good movie.

[Blu Man]

Originally Posted by khoops7

I don't agree with Ghost Rider, I thought it was a good movie.

It was OK. A lot better then Daredevil.

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by Spartan54

It was OK. A lot better then Daredevil.

i thought they both blew. but i like nicholas cage better than ben affleck.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Roland1919

CATWOMAN only because in this day and age of special effects should a superhero movie be this bad.

Catwoman was originally supposed to be that Michelle Pfeiffer "Batman Returns" solo spinoff that Tim Burton was so petulant about wanting to make that Warner fired him...
Until Warner found themselves without a Batman project to announce, dug the ten-year-old memo out of the wastebasket and "Sure, we've got...THIS one!"

So, in the movie, her origin was supposed to be the same as in "Returns": Slimy boss pushes secretary out of a window, and she gets licked back to life by cats--
Several screenwriters later, it became "Secretary uncovers boss's world-threatening plot, and comes back from the dead with the power of cats, as an agent of revenge..."
Not hard to see the telephone-game on that one.

(As for why Halle Berry got the job...remember when she was going to do that 007 spinoff thingy?
Yeah. Studio execs got the two projects mixed up, too.)

[kdn1221]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Catwoman was the worts..yes, Hale Berry looked great in the cat suit , but the movie was a stinker.

Agreed. I would not call the Halle Berry Catwoman movie a comic book movie. It has nothing to do with the Catwoman character that is in the Batman/DC world. It's just a stupid attempt from some idiotic studio type to try and make a quick buck off of a great comic character.

I would have loved to see Michelle Pfeiffer in a spinoff Catwoman movie shortly after Batman Returns came out. She was hot in that skin tight vinyl suit.

Holy wet dreams, Batman!!!

[JasonR]

Daredevil

Ben Affleck killed my favorite superhero in that movie. Killed...him...dead...

[BStecke]

Daredevil gets a lot of hate 'round these parts I see. I thought the Director's Cut was pretty good.

[Uuah]

Ghost World. Saw it after I had read and loved the book. I had a hard time believing Clowes was even involved in the adaptation. What a heartless piece of indie-junkie uselessness.

[bdadhat]

OK - I have seen about all of them and you get the occassional Tank Girl or Barbed Wire or Spawn (live action - HBO animated should STILL be picked up by someone) BUT the absolute PIT of Despair....


NICK FURY AGENT OF S.H.I.E.L.D. starring none other than - THE HOFF

and with that - 'nuff said.

[GreenScar]

Sorry, I have to disagree with almost all of your statements. I'll add my comments to yours below. The Incredible Hulk has a lot of history. The television show is as much a part of his history as the comic as is the mediocre Ang Lee Hulk. The Incredible Hulk was more faithful to both the comic and television version than Lee's film.

Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy

But the movie that currently stands as the most disappointing of all time for me is "The Incredible Hulk". I'm a HUGE fan of the comic and loved the way he was handled in Ang Lee's "Hulk". I know most people hated the '03 version, but Lee stayed so true to The Hulk in that movie it was insane!Lee's movie was very far from being true to the Hulk. Much further than The Incredible Hulk.

I can't believe they went with the crappy television show origin in the new one! They completely robbed the weak Bruce Banner of his heroic moment! Lee's movie was very different from the comic as well. He was experamented on by his father when he was younger and becuase of those injections his body absorbed the Gamma Radiation in the lab accident.They also made him look like an idiot by getting his translation of "You're making me angry" wrong. This dude is a flippin' intelligent scientist, he wouldn't confuse "hungry" for "angry". So your saying all scientists know all languages? He's a Scientist that specializes in Gamma Radiation, not a linguist. He had just learned that word earlier in the day thus it was fresh in his mind. And what's with giving Bruce abs? He's a wimp! He doesn't have to work out because he changes into The Hulk when he becomes angry!Bruce Banner without Abs? He's always had them. Always.

But they changed that too, didn't they? To trade off anger for heartbeats to kick off his transformations had to be THE STUPIDEST THING THEY COULDA DONE TO HIM! I mean, the guy can't even get laid without changing?! What kinda crap is that?! Then to rob The Hulk of growing with his anger Sorry to tell you. The Hulk never grew when he got angry. The Hulk has been drawn larger at times, but never grew when he got angry.and leaping from place to place...Who says they took that ability away? How do you think he got from Brazil to Guadalajara? Walking? THAT'S LIKE TAKING AWAY SUPERMAN'S STRENGTH AND ABILITY TO FLY!!!!!! And what was with him tearing cars in half to use as weapons and sheilds? The Hulk has always used objects against his opponents. Have you ever read the comic? He's used Tree's, Rocks, Cars, Tractor's, Tanks. THE HULK DOESN'T USE WEAPONS! HE USES HIS FISTS!!!!!!!!!

Let's also not forget that HE STUMBLED AROUND LIKE A BUFFOON AFTER A HIT FROM THE ABOMINATION!!!!!!!!!! The Hulk doesn't get dazed and confused in a fight, he gets mad, dag-nab-it! In the comics, he woulda got up and lept right back at that bastard with a roar of rage! Yes. I'm aware Superman defeated The Hulk with a rockslide in Marvel versus DC, but we all know that flippin' fight was fixed so DC's golden boy wouldn't look like a punk! Superman shoulda had his @ss handed to him!Yea, the Hulk has been beaten. He get's beaten, and in time fighting the Abomination in the comics has taken a licking (but always comes back in the end just like he did in the movie) You can see what I mean here.

Let's not get into how awful he looked. The Hulk looked like he was constantly flexing! Has nobody that worked on this film seen a real muscle-bound man when he wasn't flexing onstage? They aren't covered in wrinkles!The Hulk looked amazing! He is pure muscle. That's what he's supposed to look like. And those aren't wrinkles, they're ripped muscles. They put so much "detail" in him that he looked filthy! He didn't even look like Edward Norton!They actually used Norton's face to create the Hulk's face. Different from the 2003 movie where they used Ang Lee's face.

I just don't understand why they decided to make a comic-based movie aimed at folks who apparently didn't like the comic. It was a very stupid move, in my opinion. Especially when it only made 2 million more (domestically) than the last one... and that one was considered a failure even though it made more of a profit than this one (which cost 150 million to '03's 137 million)!!! You've got your facts wrong. The Incredible Hulk cost $137.5 million to make and brought in $261.8 million (plus another $68million on home video in one month) to Hulk's $245million.I can't believe they're actually going to make a sequel to this crap.

[GreenScar]

Originally Posted by BStecke

Daredevil gets a lot of hate 'round these parts I see. I thought the Director's Cut was pretty good.

Agreed. The DC is almost another movie entirely. A pretty good movie overall.

[JasonR]

^^Never seen it, the theatrical soured me. I will have to give it a viewing.

[Nameless Evil]

One word....

"Supergirl"

[Monkey_Boy]

Originally Posted by jasonbird

Sorry, I have to disagree with almost all of your statements. I'll add my comments to yours below. The Incredible Hulk has a lot of history. The television show is as much a part of his history as the comic as is the mediocre Ang Lee Hulk. The Incredible Hulk was more faithful to both the comic and television version than Lee's film.

And I must disgree with yours. The television show is NOT apart of the comics continuity. Neither is the '03 version. Nor is any comic-based t.v. show/movie! It is the responsibility of the show/movie to keep to what the comics established or, at the very least, to stay as close as possible. (That's the way it should be anyway.) "TIH" wasn't any closer to the comics than "Elektra" was. It went by the TELEVISION SHOW and threw the comics out of the window. Okay. They took villains from the comics (the one thing I was disappointed in with Lee's), but their inspiration was the television show. (The director couldn't praise it enough. ) The problem with this is it makes Bruce Banner less of a tragic figure of Science and more of a flippin' moron that didn't think of testing on animals before trying the serum on himself. And as I typed before, it robbed him of his heroism before he was actually strong enough to be a "Hero". Ang Lee's "Hulk" was truer to the essence of what The Hulk is in the comics. ("Comics" being the key word here.) In "TIH" they traded away the mental aspects of the character for physical ones. Why wouldn't anyone like this Banner getting angry? It isn't anger that triggers the change. In this movie you should be more afraid of him overexerting himself while working, running... or having sex!

I'm aware that they changed his backstory, but they did NOT change his origin! (By the way, the comics had already established that Bruce's father was the main reason Banner had anger issues.) Adding the part where his father experimented on himself took nothing from The Hulk's origin. In fact, it made it more plausible that he survived the gamma exposure. The gamma didn't create The Hulk, it released what was already there.

Are you actually telling me that an INTELLIGENT person would go to a country and NOT know a simple phrase that defines his character? At the end of the first movie (and I think it's safe to assume this one started out as a sequel to the last, since it begins exactly where the first left off), he got the phrase right. Bruce Banner is supposed to be a giant brain as much as The Hulk is a giant muscle. I mean... C'MON! The scene was added to give humor where it didn't NEED to be.

As far as my "Bruce doesn't have abs" remark, I shoulda made it a tad more clear. He shouldn't have abs. Have you ever noticed the way most ALL men and women look in comics? I don't think a comic artist can draw anyone realistically! Seriously though, Bruce is supposed to be a wimp. Not a single wimp I know is ripped the way Edward Norton is. They are, in fact, shaped like Eric Bana was (or rounder). Bana was the PERFECT wimp for the role!

Okay. You got me on the "grows with his anger" bit, but I remember "knowing" that before "Hulk" hit theaters in '03. I'm not sure if it was a one-shot comic or an animated version or what, but I (and my fellow Hulk-fanboy friends ) somehow came to that conclusion and so did Ang Lee. SO I AIN'T CRAZY!!!!!!!!!

Actually, the director said that he took The Hulk's jumping ability away (I have a thread in another forum devoted to comic-based movie rumors. That's how I "know" the director's intentions with this movie). I didn't see him make any large, miles-long leaps, did you? "Stupid Hulk" did not use weapons the way he does in "TIH". That was waaaaaay too much. It was more of the way he used 'em in Lee's. Like when he used the top of a tank to block the shot from the other? That wasn't planned when he was pulling the tank apart! It was a sudden thought for him to place it in front of himself for protection. When he beat the tank with the other's gun, it was outta anger and frustration from being shot at and the gun happened to be laying there. Still not a conscious choice. (I will type that I didn't exactly like the part when he bit off the tip of the missle. That seemed too smart. In my opinon, he shoulda just thrown the whole thing at the helicopter.) The Hulk in "TIH" purposefully ripped cars in half with the intent of using them as weapons and sheilds. THINKING is not a defining characteristic of anger. He's not supposed to be thinking clearly. Have you ever been pissed and needed to punch the sh*t outta sumpthin'? That's what The Hulk is ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!!

I'm aware that they haveta make The Hulk lose every now and then to "shake things up", but THE WAY HE LOST TO SUPERMAN WAS SO STUPID! As far as the way he fights, he does not get dazed, he gets PISSED! I was bored with this fight. I'M AN ACTION JUNKIE! I'M NOT BORED BY EXTENDED ACTION SEQUENCES! But I was bored. In Lee's version, the Hulk is born through anger and frustration. It made for a better character, in my opinon. This Hulk wasn't as angry as Lee's was. (Probably because it didn't take anger to force the change. )

Yes. The Hulk is covered in lines... in the comics, but IN REAL LIFE people don't look like that! Look at Arnold Schwarzenegger (and every other musclebound dude) in "Predator". Are they covered in thick @ss lines that distract the eye? I don't think so. The director was overcompensating because people thought the last Hulk looked fake (which he did not!). Also, Lee did (excellent) motion capture for The Hulk, but his face was modeled after Bana's. The Hulk didn't look Asian! They may have used Norton's face to create this Hulk, but they put so much "detail" into it afterwards that his face was lost in the effects. Which makes the effects look that much more terrible in my mind.

Get YOUR facts right! Note: I typed DOMESTICALLY.
"Hulk": http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=hulk.htm
"The Incredible Hulk": http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...ediblehulk.htm

Besides, it still shows that "Hulk" made a bigger profit theatrically than "The Incredible Hulk" did.

[Jellybeans]

Daredevil and Catwoman

[GreenScar]

Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy

And I must disgree with yours. The television show is NOT apart of the comics continuity. Neither is the '03 version. Nor is any comic-based t.v. show/movie! It is the responsibility of the show/movie to keep to what the comics established or, at the very least, to stay as close as possible. (That's the way it should be anyway.)

That's the way it should be in your opinion. I'm talking about history of the character. Was the television show true to the comic? Somewhat, but not really. Was Hulk (2003) true to the comic? Somewhat, but not really. Was TIH true to the comic? Somewhat, but not really. There aren't many movies that are 90% + true to the comics. It's not really all that possible (depending on the material of course). What TIH did was took the television show and the comic and brought them together to bring the fans of both together. The first hour of the movie did mirror the television show (which was based on the comic) then morphed into a comic adaptation. This happened with the transformation at the college campus. So TIH was more a bringing together of the Hulk's different histories to push it to where Marvel can take him in a totally comic book direction.

The problem with this is it makes Bruce Banner less of a tragic figure of Science and more of a flippin' moron that didn't think of testing on animals before trying the serum on himself. And as I typed before, it robbed him of his heroism before he was actually strong enough to be a "Hero".

I'm guessing your talking about the serum he creates from the flower in his apartment in Brazil since his origin really wasn't shown in TIH. He made a lab out of a record player, bicycle parts and junk and you think they portrayed him as a moron? I think you need to open up your mind and watch the movie without preconceived theories. He got the formula from Mr Blue who Bruce was obviously aware of who no doubt had done many experiments. Scientists always take research from others and build upon it (which is basically what Bruce was doing here). You have to assume that there were more conversations between Mr Blue and Mr Green than what we were shown. As far as Banner himself being a "hero," he's a guy that always tries to do the right thing (like when he returned to help Martina (i think that was her name) even though he knew he was risking the release of that which he fears most. Also, when he wants to 'aim' the Hulk at the Abomination when he's not even sure if he can transform following the Sterns procedure. What did Banner do in the first movie to show his heroism? He tried to absorb the Gamma and shield Harper? Harper survived? How weird is that? He was in the room with Bruce when he was exposed to the Gamma Rays. It just doesn't make sense. Were Gamma rays not deadly in Lee's film? I'm trying to recall something from Lee's film that showed any heroism on Banners part. Heck, besides the Hulk keeping the jet from hitting the bridge (which Marvel had them put in after the fact) What did Hulk do that was heroic?

Ang Lee's "Hulk" was truer to the essence of what The Hulk is in the comics. ("Comics" being the key word here.) In "TIH" they traded away the mental aspects of the character for physical ones. Why wouldn't anyone like this Banner getting angry? It isn't anger that triggers the change. In this movie you should be more afraid of him overexerting himself while working, running... or having sex!

I'm assuming you've followed the Hulk in the comics. If you had, you'll know that many different things triggered the change (including the moon/night) in the early issues. The reason they used the heart rate was to bring more suspense into the movie (by using the watch). I agree with you about the sex part, but it's something that was never really addressed in the comics. It does however make sense. In the comics he has changed due to fear, anger and at Will (depending on when it met the writers needs). Basically, adrenaline triggers the transformation. Did they take it a bit far in TIH? Maybe, but I think they did it for some comic relief more than anything.

I'm aware that they changed his backstory, but they did NOT change his origin! (By the way, the comics had already established that Bruce's father was the main reason Banner had anger issues.) Adding the part where his father experimented on himself took nothing from The Hulk's origin. In fact, it made it more plausible that he survived the gamma exposure. The gamma didn't create The Hulk, it released what was already there.

I think your stretching here. Abuse is very different than injecting experiments into your son. Abuse usually occurs due to anger management issues (I realize that's an over generalization) while experimenting like he did is calculated. Cold. A bit too far in my opinion.

Are you actually telling me that an INTELLIGENT person would go to a country and NOT know a simple phrase that defines his character? At the end of the first movie (and I think it's safe to assume this one started out as a sequel to the last, since it begins exactly where the first left off), he got the phrase right. Bruce Banner is supposed to be a giant brain as much as The Hulk is a giant muscle. I mean... C'MON! The scene was added to give humor where it didn't NEED to be.

The TIH does not pick up where the last movie left off. If it did, they would've gotten the same actors. It was a reboot. A retooling. Just because you're a genius in one field does not make you a genius in all fields. If you were to assume that TIH takes off where H ends, he's speaking Spanish at the end of Lee's film. In Brazil they speak Portuguese. In all, you're being a bit nitpicky when your upset by something that was used as comic relief.

As far as my "Bruce doesn't have abs" remark, I shoulda made it a tad more clear. He shouldn't have abs. Have you ever noticed the way most ALL men and women look in comics? I don't think a comic artist can draw anyone realistically! Seriously though, Bruce is supposed to be a wimp. Not a single wimp I know is ripped the way Edward Norton is. They are, in fact, shaped like Eric Bana was (or rounder). Bana was the PERFECT wimp for the role!

Norton was much closer to Banner than Bana was physically. Bana is 6'2". Norton is 6'0". Look at Bana just after the transformation in San Fransisco. He obviously has more weight/muscle on him than Norton did. Heck, Norton was smaller than Liv Tyler. Being Skinny and Muscular are two different things. Here's a pic of Banner from the comics:

Actually, the director said that he took The Hulk's jumping ability away (I have a thread in another forum devoted to comic-based movie rumors. That's how I "know" the director's intentions with this movie). I didn't see him make any large, miles-long leaps, did you?

So how are you going to tell me he got from Brazil to Mexico? Just because they didn't show him jump on screen doesn't mean he couldn't. How else do you describe him traveling thousands of miles in one night? Did he catch a plane?

"Stupid Hulk" did not use weapons the way he does in "TIH". That was waaaaaay too much. It was more of the way he used 'em in Lee's. Like when he used the top of a tank to block the shot from the other? That wasn't planned when he was pulling the tank apart! It was a sudden thought for him to place it in front of himself for protection. When he beat the tank with the other's gun, it was outta anger and frustration from being shot at and the gun happened to be laying there. Still not a conscious choice. (I will type that I didn't exactly like the part when he bit off the tip of the missle. That seemed too smart. In my opinon, he shoulda just thrown the whole thing at the helicopter.) The Hulk in "TIH" purposefully ripped cars in half with the intent of using them as weapons and sheilds. THINKING is not a defining characteristic of anger. He's not supposed to be thinking clearly. Have you ever been pissed and needed to punch the sh*t outta sumpthin'? That's what The Hulk is ALL THE TIME!!!!!!!!

If you've read the comics, you'll know that there are several incarnations of the Hulk. Mr. Fixit, Gray Hulk, Professor, Mindless Hulk, Savage Hulk and more. The Savage Hulk, probably the most well known, was the Hulk in TIH. He was more of a thinking/learning Hulk. I would recommend you watching TIH again. You can see him figure things out as it goes on. In Lee's version, The Hulk was more reminiscent of Mindless Hulk than Savage Hulk (even though he was more a mix of the two). The part where he used the car to hit the Abomination was taken directly from the Video Game that came out when Lee's Hulk was released. I didn't have a problem with it.

I'm aware that they haveta make The Hulk lose every now and then to "shake things up", but THE WAY HE LOST TO SUPERMAN WAS SO STUPID! As far as the way he fights, he does not get dazed, he gets PISSED!

The Hulk takes a whollup plenty of times in the comics enough to daze him. But he always comes back madder and stronger (which is what they did in this version).

I was bored with this fight. I'M AN ACTION JUNKIE! I'M NOT BORED BY EXTENDED ACTION SEQUENCES! But I was bored. In Lee's version, the Hulk is born through anger and frustration. It made for a better character, in my opinon. This Hulk wasn't as angry as Lee's was. (Probably because it didn't take anger to force the change. )

I really don't see the difference here. I think with this statement we are arguing points of view. You're saying you liked Hulk's fight at the end of Hulk culminating in the giant Mushroom father as apposed to The fight against The Abomination?

Yes. The Hulk is covered in lines... in the comics, but IN REAL LIFE people don't look like that! Look at Arnold Schwarzenegger (and every other musclebound dude) in "Predator". Are they covered in thick @ss lines that distract the eye? I don't think so. The director was overcompensating because people thought the last Hulk looked fake (which he did not!). Also, Lee did (excellent) motion capture for The Hulk, but his face was modeled after Bana's. The Hulk didn't look Asian! They may have used Norton's face to create this Hulk, but they put so much "detail" into it afterwards that his face was lost in the effects. Which makes the effects look that much more terrible in my mind.

The Hulk is not real life. He's bigger than anything in real life. When bodybuilders are hopped up you see their veins, you see the ripped muscles. When they are relaxed you do not. When Hulk is relaxed, he's Banner so you never seen him like that. Remember The Hulk is covered with green skin, not green paint (and that's the difference in the look of 2003 vs 2008) Hulk looked like this guy (only much, much bigger)

I think the Hulk's face here looks much more like Ang Lee than Bana:

Get YOUR facts right! Note: I typed DOMESTICALLY.
"Hulk": http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=hulk.htm
"The Incredible Hulk": http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...ediblehulk.htm
Besides, it still shows that "Hulk" made a bigger profit theatrically than "The Incredible Hulk" did.

Box Office Mojo has no source to the budget for TIH. The-Numbers.com does. So I stand by that web site's numbers. So if I say that TIH made more in Miami than Hulk did does that make a bit of difference? No. It's how much they make when all is said and done. TIH will have been more profitable when all is said and done. (The home video, Cable and TV have to still play out).

You're arguments are mostly nitpicky or matters of opinion. I guess we would have to agree to disagree as we have different views on the same topic.

(Sorry for the flow of the post, I was interrupted many times while posting. )

[Monkey_Boy]

Originally Posted by jasonbird

Was the television show true to the comic? Somewhat, but not really. Was Hulk (2003) true to the comic? Somewhat, but not really. Was TIH true to the comic? Somewhat, but not really. There aren't many movies that are 90% + true to the comics.

I've never really had a problem with the movies changing characters and story arcs. It comes with the territory. However, when they change certain traits that make up the character and their motivations... it just fries my hash! (The "X-Men" movies are a fantastic example of character tampering! Making Rogue a child?! Jean Grey more powerful than the Professor?!) I'll watch 'em. Even learn to love 'em. But I'll still complain about the changes they made! I wouldn't be a comic book geek if I didn't!

I'm guessing your talking about the serum he creates from the flower in his apartment in Brazil since his origin really wasn't shown in TIH.

With this movie, it's obvious they're going by the origin from the show, wherein he experimented on himself to further the limits of the human condition... or sumpthin' like that. (I can't remember if he did this under the supervision of the army or on his own.) Banner didn't start working with Mr. Blue until after he was "infected". (I quite enjoyed the revelation of who he turned out to be!) That's what I mean by "robbed of his moment of heroism". In the comic, Banner runs out and saves a stupid kid who happens to be in a bomb test zone. In the '03 version, Banner rushes to the aid of a fellow scientist. He actually didn't have much time to think about what to do, so he jumped between the man and the machine... whether he truly would've saved him or not is irrelevant. He rushed in to help at the expense of his own life. That's a heroic action in my book. I never said that The Hulk himself was a hero in that movie. He was mostly just trying to get away from whoever was trying to hurt him and resorting to violence when he felt cornered. However, it seems you forgot about him saving Betty from the mutant dogs. (I know alotta people thought that was stupid, but I found it to be a helluva fight! )

I'm assuming you've followed the Hulk in the comics. If you had, you'll know that many different things triggered the change (including the moon/night) in the early issues.

Yes. I know there have been numerous reasons for his changing in the comics at various points in continuity, but anger has always been the most popular one. I quite enjoy the psychiatric aspect of The Hulk and it seems like such a cop out to make the reasons for his transformations physical. The Hulk (for me) has always been a creature that was a result and the manifestation of pure rage in his best stories. The line EVERYBODY knows (and the one he tried to use in the movie) is "You're making me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.", NOT "You're making my heartrate reach 200 bpm. You wouldn't like me when my heartrate reaches 200 bpm."

In Lee's version, you get a transformation out of anger. Everytime he changed, he was in some sort of mode of pissed off. My favorite change happens in Talbot's house. The way he starts slamming the floor... MAN! That dude was PISSED!

Abuse is very different than injecting experiments into your son.

He wasn't experimenting on his son! His son was a result of his experimenting on himself! He was taking samples of young Bruce to see if he had contracted what he was working on and then came to the conclusion that he had to save him! Sure. He didn't actually beat on Bruce... but he did kill Bruce's mother right in front of him. And that was only because she was trying to stop him from killing their son! So, I'm sure there would be some kinda mental instability from that.

The TIH does not pick up where the last movie left off. If it did, they would've gotten the same actors. It was a reboot. A retooling.

The thing is that Banner is a very intelligent person. I know it's nitpicky, but I don't like it when they dumb down characters that are supposed to be very intelligent. I don't find ignorance funny. ( Okay! I do, but not in the case of Bruce Banner. ) Was he in a different region? I thought he was in South America in both. (I'm not the only person to assume it started where the last left off. Maybe they shoulda put it in an area that didn't look so similar. Perhaps?) Oh, well. Not a big deal. I wasn't saying it was a direct sequel. I was only saying that the script appeared that it may have started out that way.

He obviously has more weight/muscle on him than Norton did.

I will agree that Bana had more weight, but his muscles weren't as defined as Norton's were. As I typed, they'll always draw skinny dudes with muscles in comics, but in real life we know that ain't nowhere close to true. Bana really looked like he needed the power of The Hulk to do ANY fighting whatsoever! Norton looks like he could kick my @ss (even if that wouldn't be very hard )!

So how are you going to tell me he got from Brazil to Mexico?

I already told you that the director HIMSELF had said that he wouldn't have The Hulk jumping from place to place. He (and most others) thought that that ability was rather stupid. So how he got from one place to another so quickly is a loophole I think the director needs to fill.

In Lee's version, The Hulk was more reminiscent of Mindless Hulk than Savage Hulk (even though he was more a mix of the two).

And this explains why I love Lee's Hulk more. Stupid-- or "Mindless Hulk" has always been my most favorite incarnation! You shoulda seen my face when I was reading the "Onslaught" storyline and Jean Grey managed to shut down the Banner part of The Hulk and the mindless brute came out to play! I was all, "WHOO HOO! It's been too long!" in the most nerdy possible way! When he started beating down The Abomination with the car, it wasn't so great to me. I mean, nothing is more satisfying than burying your own fists into whatever is pissing you off! Just like when The Hulk was just pounding the living crap outta his father at the end of Lee's. Now that was anger!

You're saying you liked Hulk's fight at the end of Hulk culminating in the giant Mushroom father as apposed to The fight against The Abomination?

Actually... I did! Not at first. At first I was all, "What?! Is that it?", but after repeated viewings (watchin' him in that desert to San Francisco scene was worth the price of purchase alone!), it couldn't have ended better! Yeeeears ago, I remember a story where The Leader managed to take The Hulk's power for himself, but it was too much! He couldn't control his rage and nearly destroyed himself along with his lab before Banner managed to defeat him and take back his power. It was showing that nobody can control or contain The Hulk's rage except for Bruce Banner himself. This was what Lee was saying at the end of "Hulk" and I admire that he kept that concept. And I loved the unrelenting rage The Hulk was unleashing at that moment as well! (I also like the added touch that Banner's final thoughts of his father as the movie fades from the scene is a tender moment between father and son. In the end, a child will always love their father, no matter what kinda bastard he is.) I'm not sure what it was about the end fight in "TIH", I just didn't get into it. I don't know if it was because I was so annoyed with all of the changes or what. It just wasn't that great to me.

As far as your pics, notice how Lou is flexing there, he wouldn't look like that if he weren't exerting some kinda effort.

When Hulk is relaxed, he's Banner so you never seen him like that.

I've never really looked at it this way, though. Very interesting perspective. As far as the other picture comparing Hulk, Lee and Bana, he actually looks like Bana in the movie. Only his face is wider because he's bigger.

Box Office Mojo has no source to the budget for TIH. The-Numbers.com does.

NO IT DOESN'T! I just went there! And after googling to find out what the budget was, I got several links that said 150 mil and several that said around 137 mil. Either way, it doesn't really matter. As you said, I'm just nitpickin' it to death mostly 'cuz I was initially disappointed and I'm so sick of the amount of crap people give Lee's. It really wasn't that bad at all and the "Hulk outs" were the best I've ever seen!

You're arguments are mostly nitpicky or matters of opinion. I guess we would have to agree to disagree as we have different views on the same topic.

Actually, I do agree with you on this. They are the reasons I've hated the movie since I went to see it. Perhaps I will give it another go. I mean, I hated "Reservoir Dogs" the first time I saw it because of Steve Buscemi's line, "You guys are acting like a coupla n---!" (I'm mixed and have dealt with racism like you wouldn't believe! When I was younger I always thought both races would love me, but there were quite alotta folks on both sides who thought I was "polluted" with the other race ), but the second time around the line wasn't as shocking and I ended up enjoying it more. I'll give it another go round at some point, though. Maybe I'll have a better time now that I know what to expect... ya think?


Ya know, I hadn't even noticed your avatar was The Hulk from "TIH" when I first responded to ya (I normally spend time at a forum where there are no avatars, so I'm not used to seeing them).

[Darko]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

While many of you have made so very good points on which movie is the worst comic book adaptation ever, I think that this one is a probably the winner

Roger Corman's The Fantastic Four

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fantastic_Four_(film)

And I quote "In a list of the "50 Top Comic Movies of All Time (...and Some So Bad You've Just Got to See Them)," Wizard Magazine ranked this film higher than Batman & Robin, Steel, Virus and Red Sonja, all of which were released in theatres."

Saw this a few years ago. It was truly bad. I thought it was funny Jay Underwood played the Human Torch and a few years before that he played in The Boy Who Could Fly.

[GreenScar]

Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy

With this movie, it's obvious they're going by the origin from the show, wherein he experimented on himself to further the limits of the human condition... or sumpthin' like that. (I can't remember if he did this under the supervision of the army or on his own.)

I think your pretty much right. I think they were working on endurance for the Army or something. I do remember that there was an extended scene on the blu when Ross and Blonsky are talking in the hanger that explains it better than it had in the actual release. But they did reconstruct the same machine used in the television series (he was working on tapping into strength in the series).

In the comic, Banner runs out and saves a stupid kid who happens to be in a bomb test zone. In the '03 version, Banner rushes to the aid of a fellow scientist. He actually didn't have much time to think about what to do, so he jumped between the man and the machine... whether he truly would've saved him or not is irrelevant. He rushed in to help at the expense of his own life. That's a heroic action in my book.

I seem to remember that Harper was having trouble and Banner was on his way in the room anyway when there was a short and the procedure began. Banner helped get Harper unstuck and then shielded the Gamma Blast (I agree very heroic). In the Comic the blast was supposed to be on hold when he went to get Rick out of the Blast Zone. The other jealous scientist pushed the button to get rid of Bruce. It's actually a situation that could be argued whether heroic or not. While it could probably go either way, I prefer to see it as heroic as well.

I never said that The Hulk himself was a hero in that movie. He was mostly just trying to get away from whoever was trying to hurt him and resorting to violence when he felt cornered. However, it seems you forgot about him saving Betty from the mutant dogs. (I know alotta people thought that was stupid, but I found it to be a helluva fight! )

Forgot about that part

Yes. I know there have been numerous reasons for his changing in the comics at various points in continuity, but anger has always been the most popular one. I quite enjoy the psychiatric aspect of The Hulk and it seems like such a cop out to make the reasons for his transformations physical. The Hulk (for me) has always been a creature that was a result and the manifestation of pure rage in his best stories. The line EVERYBODY knows (and the one he tried to use in the movie) is "You're making me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.", NOT "You're making my heartrate reach 200 bpm. You wouldn't like me when my heartrate reaches 200 bpm."

You are aware that the TV show made that line popular (you had been arguing against using the TV show in adapting the movie...just saying... )

In Lee's version, you get a transformation out of anger. Everytime he changed, he was in some sort of mode of pissed off. My favorite change happens in Talbot's house. The way he starts slamming the floor... MAN! That dude was PISSED!

I think that this was something that may have bothered me in the movie. Not the actual transformations mind you, I liked them as you did, but he seemed to go through a personality change after the accident. If you watch him before the accident vs after it's almost as if he's playing two different characters. While I liked the way he would struggle against the Hulk (in his mind) in the comics (and I think this was Lee's way of showing that struggle) I just didn't think it worked on film in the way it was meant to. (I know I'm being nitpicky ) Edit to add: Just to be a little more clear, he would get angry at almost nothing, where before the accident he was Mr. Happy-go-lucky so to speak.

He wasn't experimenting on his son! His son was a result of his experimenting on himself! He was taking samples of young Bruce to see if he had contracted what he was working on and then came to the conclusion that he had to save him! Sure. He didn't actually beat on Bruce... but he did kill Bruce's mother right in front of him. And that was only because she was trying to stop him from killing their son! So, I'm sure there would be some kinda mental instability from that.

It's been too long since I've seen this I guess. I need to buy it on blu soon. I think what bothered me was having his father so heavily involved with him and the story. In the comics he was regulated to some Flashbacks during the Peter David era (if I remember correctly).

I will agree that Bana had more weight, but his muscles weren't as defined as Norton's were. As I typed, they'll always draw skinny dudes with muscles in comics, but in real life we know that ain't nowhere close to true. Bana really looked like he needed the power of The Hulk to do ANY fighting whatsoever! Norton looks like he could kick my @ss (even if that wouldn't be very hard )!

The first rule about Fight Club...

I already told you that the director HIMSELF had said that he wouldn't have The Hulk jumping from place to place. He (and most others) thought that that ability was rather stupid. So how he got from one place to another so quickly is a loophole I think the director needs to fill.

I would really love to see this interview, not because I don't believe you, but because I thought I had read and saw EVERYTHING pre TIH. So to hear this has me intrigued. I think as fans of the Hulk we have to assume that he jumped to get there (not everything needs to be shown). In the Script there were two moments where he did the 'super-jump,' once there where he went from Brazil to Mexico and then at the end when he left Manhattan. It really was too bad that they didn't put it into the film. I do like the jump, but I hated the bunny hopping of the first Hulk. I like the single multi-mile jump from a standing position. Also the super-speed in the first film had me rolling my eyes I can't recall any instances of the Hulk running super fast in the comics. (there I go nitpicking)

And this explains why I love Lee's Hulk more. Stupid-- or "Mindless Hulk" has always been my most favorite incarnation! You shoulda seen my face when I was reading the "Onslaught" storyline and Jean Grey managed to shut down the Banner part of The Hulk and the mindless brute came out to play! I was all, "WHOO HOO! It's been too long!" in the most nerdy possible way! When he started beating down The Abomination with the car, it wasn't so great to me. I mean, nothing is more satisfying than burying your own fists into whatever is pissing you off! Just like when The Hulk was just pounding the living crap outta his father at the end of Lee's. Now that was anger!

I think this is the crux of the difference in our paradigms is which was our favorite Hulk incarnations. I loved the child-like Savage Hulk from the very early days. When they went away from that they never did really go back to it. I thought the Hulk in TIH was closer to that Hulk than the first film.

Actually... I did! Not at first. At first I was all, "What?! Is that it?", but after repeated viewings (watchin' him in that desert to San Francisco scene was worth the price of purchase alone!), it couldn't have ended better! Yeeeears ago, I remember a story where The Leader managed to take The Hulk's power for himself, but it was too much! He couldn't control his rage and nearly destroyed himself along with his lab before Banner managed to defeat him and take back his power. It was showing that nobody can control or contain The Hulk's rage except for Bruce Banner himself. This was what Lee was saying at the end of "Hulk" and I admire that he kept that concept. And I loved the unrelenting rage The Hulk was unleashing at that moment as well! (I also like the added touch that Banner's final thoughts of his father as the movie fades from the scene is a tender moment between father and son. In the end, a child will always love their father, no matter what kinda bastard he is.) I'm not sure what it was about the end fight in "TIH", I just didn't get into it. I don't know if it was because I was so annoyed with all of the changes or what. It just wasn't that great to me.

Everything you said are the things I did like about the first movie. I just didn't like the choice visually to go with a mushroom. It would have been better to show Nolte in some form struggling in his own body (or at least something resembling a body). Again nitpicking

NO IT DOESN'T! I just went there! And after googling to find out what the budget was, I got several links that said 150 mil and several that said around 137 mil.

Since you typed in all caps I thought you might be frustrated at not being able to find it. If you click here it takes you to the page on TIH. You can click on the link there from Variety that talks about The budget from TIH.

It's funny we both nitpick about the films (because we love the characters). It probably doesn't sound like it, but I really did like Ang Lee's Hulk. While I had some minor problems with it, it was an effective film. I personally chose to look at it as a "What-if" version of the Hulk and that's helped me enjoy it more. I do enjoy your posts and would like to see you post here more often.

I'm all for more Hulk movies!

Edit to add: I think the differences you are seeing in the budget are for the prints and advertising. The first film has it listed seperately as $137m budget and $35m for prints and advertising. I think TIH was $150 with prints and advertising and $137.5m without.