Star Wars and Indiana Jones question?

[cjones235]

I'm just wondering with all controversy surrouding ghostbusters having to much grain or excessive amount of grain. I mean don't get me wrong i don't have a problem with grain. I know why it's their i just like a thin layer of grain better. Anyway back to my original question how much grain or how grainy do you think these movies will be when their eventually released on blu.

[Esox50]

They're going to be horrible, atrocious releases. I wouldn't buy them when they are released.

[Freekman]

Way to have hope. They are huge films; the studio is going to spend a lot of time getting rid of any grain, unlike Ghostbusters. I think they will be done justice.

[GoYanks]

Star what?

Indy who?

I don't think the studios are going to give these titles their due diligence. Might as well just stick to your dvds.

[BozQ]

Grain should be the least of your concerns. I've heard Lucas is going to digitally change all the Ewoks to Gungans, retconning Endor to Naboo.

[tlimof]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Grain should be the least of your concerns. I've heard Lucas is going to digitally change all the Ewoks to Gungans, retconning Endor to Naboo.

LOL Good one I actually think Spielberg and Lucas won't disappoint us, and they'll great blus from this movies.

[Hi-Def Steve]

Originally Posted by Freekman

Way to have hope. They are huge films; the studio is going to spend a lot of time getting rid of any grain, unlike Ghostbusters. I think they will be done justice.

That sounds like injustice to me.

[Sussudio]

i wouldn't bother worrying about it since they're never coming to bluray anyway

[Buddy Christ]

Originally Posted by Sussudio

i wouldn't bother worrying about it since they're never coming to bluray anyway

No they will hit Blu just about a year before everything goes streaming.

[steve_dave]

Lowry Digital Images handled the restoration for Raiders, Temple, Last Crusade, A New Hope, Empire, and Return of the Jedi.

The DVDs sre representative of Lowry's work and Lowry also elminates at least 95-98% of the film grain regardless of the film stock used.

I watched the restoration documentary for Roman Holiday and the interview with John Lowry made me laugh...paraphrasing since I'm not going to load this DVD: "Our intention is to remove any film granularity and imperfections while also being true to the filmmakers' original intentions."

The only instances I've noticed in Lowry Restorations where the grain was still there are in scenes where the grain is indistinguishable from elements in the shot. I.E. Removing the grain also removes rain, bugs, and other objects that can be confused with grain.

Don't get me wrong they do good work but as in the case of Once Upon A Time in The West, it may not be the right way to do a restoration.

[jasonicus]

Since Lucas has a hand in it, they will look pretty damn good. I actually think Ghostbusters wasn't that bad really.

[syncguy]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

Lowry Digital Images handled the restoration for Raiders, Temple, Last Crusade, A New Hope, Empire, and Return of the Jedi.

The DVDs sre representative of Lowry's work and Lowry also elminates at least 95-98% of the film grain regardless of the film stock used.

I watched the restoration documentary for Roman Holiday and the interview with John Lowry made me laugh...paraphrasing since I'm not going to load this DVD: "Our intention is to remove any film granularity and imperfections while also being true to the filmmakers' original intentions."

The only instances I've noticed in Lowry Restorations where the grain was still there are in scenes where the grain is indistinguishable from elements in the shot. I.E. Removing the grain also removes rain, bugs, and other objects that can be confused with grain.

Don't get me wrong they do good work but as in the case of Once Upon A Time in The West, it may not be the right way to do a restoration.

This means excessive DNR and possibly EE. Are they saying they are going to make a mess out of IJ transfers. Details are in the grain. It may be okay to remove details for the DVD but not for the blu-ray. No point of having a blu-ray without the details....

[LordCrumb]

Originally Posted by Esox50

They're going to be horrible, atrocious releases. I wouldn't buy them when they are released.

you got to be kidding, i watched Last Crusade on dvd the other week, it was bloody pristine, granted it was upscalled, but hell, it was so clear and the colours were nice as.

[Buddy Christ]

Originally Posted by KaiGusto

you got to be kidding, i watched Last Crusade on dvd the other week, it was bloody pristine, granted it was upscalled, but hell, it was so clear and the colours were nice as.

YES!!! LucasFilm keeps all of their stuff in great shape. That is one company that takes care of their shyt. Really. Say what you want about George, but he is quite anal about quality.

[LordCrumb]

Originally Posted by Blu2U

YES!!! LucasFilm keeps all of their stuff in great shape. That is one company that takes care of their shyt. Really. Say what you want about George, but he is quite anal about quality.

Didn't he say the original Star Wars films/reels dont exist anymore? only the SE versions? But yeah, thank god there hasnt been a recut of the Indy films, if they come out on Blu-Ray they will look stunning. You can tell also by the teaser for Indy 4 when it has footage from Raiders at the start in HD.

[AFightingPanda]

Originally Posted by KaiGusto

Didn't he say the original Star Wars films/reels dont exist anymore? only the SE versions? But yeah, thank god there hasnt been a recut of the Indy films, if they come out on Blu-Ray they will look stunning. You can tell also by the teaser for Indy 4 when it has footage from Raiders at the start in HD.

I remember there being an urban legend that when Lucas had gotten the new reels for the special edition versions of the film he burned all the originals. A hole pops up since two or so years later he released those single dvds that had both versions available on them. Makes for an interesting story though.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Blu2U

YES!!! LucasFilm keeps all of their stuff in great shape. That is one company that takes care of their shyt. Really. Say what you want about George, but he is quite anal about quality.

Then I take it that you never saw the Star Wars trilogy DVDs released a few years back.

Just off of the top of my head:

- Crushed blacks throughout IV.
- Blooming oranges and greens in the space explosions.
- Blooming fluorescent blue on Artoo in eps IV and V.
- Blooming pinks during the gun battles aboard the blockade runner and in docking bay 94.
- Fluorescent red on the X-wings.
- Screwed up sound in IV.
- Outright removal and toning down of some of John Williams's classic score.
- Lightsabers changing colors throughout IV and V.

So the grain is the least of our worries here.

How the MIGHTY have fallen.

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[syncguy]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

Then I take it that you never saw the Star Wars trilogy DVDs released a few years back.

Just off of the top of my head:

- Crushed blacks throughout IV.
- Blooming oranges and greens in the space explosions.
- Blooming fluorescent blue on Artoo in eps IV and V.
- Blooming pinks during the gun battles aboard the blockade runner and in docking bay 94.
- Fluorescent red on the X-wings.
- Screwed up sound in IV.
- Outright removal and toning down of some of John Williams's classic score.
- Lightsabers changing colors throughout IV and V.

So the grain is the least of our worries here.

How the MIGHTY have fallen.

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This sounds like a disaster. I haven't watched the DVD.

I will wait for the blu-ray to watch again... Hopefully all problems will be fixed and no excessive DNR and EE especially.

[blubryant]

I'm not sure about the states but in Canada rogers HD has been showing all of the Indy movies for a bit. Them being my alltime favourite movies growing up, I have watched all three on vhs way too many times to count, dvd likewise since the release a few years back.

I'd just like to stress how many times I have seen these movies easily in the hundreds, when I was little I watched Last Crusade and Raiders near daily. So as you can imagine when the HD commercials came on I was eagerly, yet nervously waiting for them to show. Finally I got the chance when they became OnDemand, WOW is all I can say, I just got a visit from an old friend that has never looked better. I was literally shocked at how much it was like watching a new movie I had seen a million times.

Although I can't comment on the sound that the blu will have, the picture I'm sure will be even better then the one I saw in HD that blew my mind, as Blu always looks better then my 1080i HD cable obviously. But, sorry to dissapoint some young folks but grain is beautiful, it's not goin anywhere on old movies and it shouldn't I was also of the opinion that ghostbusters looked great for the most part, with some soft moments. Indy has less grain, it's there though, but definitely no soft spots like ghostbusters.

Haven't seen Star Wars in HD, hasn't been on any HD channels up here as far as I know. I think they will do Star Wars right, the dvds looked pretty damn good imo. The only thing I'm sure will dissapoint with Star Wars is I'd put money that like the dvds George Lucas only lets you get his rebutchered cgi lovefest versions, unless I'm totally mistaken and you can get a non remastered dvd set somewhere >.>.

[STARSCREAM]

They will be reference, atleast star wars will be. I've seen them on HD channels and just those even with all the compression still look amazingly good.