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Old 04-13-2009, 01:00 PM   #1
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I recently purchased a new sub for my system. A JBL E250P (12", 250W) to replace an old Jamo SUB200 (8", 100W maybe).

I am torn between keeping both subs or just keeping the newer one.

I read that 2 subs help average the dips and peaks of bass caused by the room's acoustics. However this is usually when both subs are the same.

So to any experts or anyone that has tried two different subs, what do you recommend?

Thanks.
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:01 PM   #2
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I recently purchased a new sub for my system. A JBL E250P (12", 250W) to replace an old Jamo SUB200 (8", 100W maybe).

I am torn between keeping both subs or just keeping the newer one.

I read that 2 subs help average the dips and peaks of bass caused by the room's acoustics. However this is usually when both subs are the same.

So to any experts or anyone that has tried two different subs, what do you recommend?

Thanks.
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:12 PM   #3
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I recently purchased a new sub for my system. A JBL E250P (12", 250W) to replace an old Jamo SUB200 (8", 100W maybe).

I am torn between keeping both subs or just keeping the newer one.

I read that 2 subs help average the dips and peaks of bass caused by the room's acoustics. However this is usually when both subs are the same.

So to any experts or anyone that has tried two different subs, what do you recommend?

Thanks.

I would maintain the "better" sub within your front soundstage and set it up as your primary source for your system's bass. I would then play and move the second "weaker" sub around the room to see what your ears believe is the best location to minimize or eliminate the bass voids you have. This means you might need a longer audio cable so as to allow you the ability to move the sub around.

Do you have 2 sub outs or do you plan on using a Y-splitter....just curious?

I have mine set up as such (even though they are the same sub, I would have done this if they were different, as well), and I must have played with the "other" sub, moving it around every couple of days for like a month. I am a little crazy like that, but thats me.

liquidice provided a really good link to read about sub location in his post within the Home Theater General Discussion Forum for this same question posted above. But I'll provide it here as well...

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=43669

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Old 04-13-2009, 01:49 PM   #4
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Interesting...i have a "poorer" subwoofer that came with my surround sound set up, and i also have the A2-300 subwoofer that i use, i was considering using the "poorer" sub also as i have a y adapter i am just a little concerned about mixing two different make subs together, might sound bad or something..
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Interesting...i have a "poorer" subwoofer that came with my surround sound set up, and i also have the A2-300 subwoofer that i use, i was considering using the "poorer" sub also as i have a y adapter i am just a little concerned about mixing two different make subs together, might sound bad or something..
If set up properly, the A2-300 is a beast and can easily handle your room, I'm sure. Then the "poorer" sub could compliment the higher bass db's if placed correctly as well. You won't find out unless you try. You might be pleasantly surprised.
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Old 04-13-2009, 04:03 PM   #6
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Thanks all for your replies.
I already have the 12" next to my front speakers.
And my A/V receiver is a Yamaha RX-V663 that has 2 sub outs.

I will try moving the 8" around and will share the results.
Thanks
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Old 04-13-2009, 01:14 PM   #7
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first and foremost, you need to read this thread, made by Big Daddy, which covers many topics of subwoofer placement, and location. Another great thread is here, which covers alot of DIY tweaking techniques that will improve your sound. I've been told by many, especially Jomari, that your larger sub should be placed in your front sound stage (somewhere by the wall with your tv), and the smaller should be used possibly closer to your seating location. Each sub should be calibrated seperately. What you would probably find is that the larger sub will maximize on the lower frequencies, and the smaller sub will help hit the higher frequencies. My setup is rather back-wards because of limited space where I could put my larger sub. SO, my 12" sits on a riser near the corner to my immediate right when I seated on my couch, and my 6" sub is near the front left corner, again if seated on my couch looking to that direction. So, the subs are on opposite corners. From what I've read, that is important, but of course experimentation is always welcomed. I would highly suggest reading the threads, and doing some of the tweaks we have all done to get the most out of our subs, and do that to your newest 12" sub. Then go from there. Splitting a sub (out) connection is as easy as getting a RCA Y adaptor, and splitting that from the receiver. You can get that from monoprice, or Radioshack. I bought mine from RadioShack so I'd have it immediately, and could begin experimenting. Good luck, let us know what you think of the threads I linked above by responding on those particular thread. The first one will keep you occupied for sometime, but totally worth the read.
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I recently purchased a new sub for my system. A JBL E250P (12", 250W) to replace an old Jamo SUB200 (8", 100W maybe).

I am torn between keeping both subs or just keeping the newer one.

I read that 2 subs help average the dips and peaks of bass caused by the room's acoustics. However this is usually when both subs are the same.

So to any experts or anyone that has tried two different subs, what do you recommend?

Thanks.
Really no need to double post, as I provided a reply within the Audio Theory Forum for your same question above....just an FYI.

EDIT: .....looks like you got your post up before mine ice! Sorry!!

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just caught that, couldn't figure out why I didn't see my response on the 'other' one asking the same question. This will most likely be moved soon anyways to the "subwoofer" thread.
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just caught that, couldn't figure out why I didn't see my response on the 'other' one asking the same question. This will most likely be moved soon anyways to the "subwoofer" thread.
I was thinking the same thing, I'm sure this will be moved...but I do agree 100% with your post anyway!
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well I have four subs. two are 8" YAMAHA and two are 12" infinity. the infinity's replaced my YAMAHA's and the YAMAHA's are now in back on the surround sound cables. I love it I get big BOOMS from the surround now
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Thanks all for your replies.
I already have the 12" next to my front speakers.
And my A/V receiver is a Yamaha RX-V663 that has 2 sub outs.

I will try moving the 8" around and will share the results.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:19 AM   #13
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I recently purchased a new sub for my system. A JBL E250P (12", 250W) to replace an old Jamo SUB200 (8", 100W maybe).

I am torn between keeping both subs or just keeping the newer one.

I read that 2 subs help average the dips and peaks of bass caused by the room's acoustics. However this is usually when both subs are the same.

So to any experts or anyone that has tried two different subs, what do you recommend?

Thanks.
PUT THE BIGGER SUB UP FRONT IN A CORNER, A COUPLE OF FEET AWAY FROM THE WALLS. PUT THE SMALLER SUB ON THE SIDE OR BEHIND YOUR LISTENING CHAIR/SOFA.

ADJUST THEIR LEVELS VERY CAREFULLY SO THAT ONE SUBWOOFER DOES NOT OVERPOWER THE OTHER ONE. THIS WAY, THE BIGGER SUB UP FRONT WILL GIVE YOU DEEPER AND LOWER FREQUENCY BASS SOUND AND THE SMALLER SUB NEXT TO YOUR SEAT WILL GIVE YOU UPPER FREQUENCY BASS SOUND.

WARNING: In a few months, you will go deaf. However, you will live in Bass Heaven before that happens.
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