Samsung has 10,000 BD players shipped total.

[Jazar]

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6381191.html

High-def supplier sources estimate that Panasonic is initially shipping about half the number of machines that Samsung—the first company to put a Blu-ray player on the market—initially shipped to retail. To date, Samsung has shipped 10,000 units of its player to retailers.

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Philips is set to street its player at the end of October, confirmed company VP Marty Gordon. He didn’t comment on shipment size, but high-def sources indicate quantities will be similar to Panasonic’s somewhat narrow launch.

“All the [Blu-ray] manufacturers are being fairly careful about putting something together that works,” said Frank Roshinski, Tweeter VP and general merchandising manager for video. “They are dealing with more advanced discs coming, involving Java technology. It’s a little bit frustrating—I want to get this out and sell. But I also don’t want to take a lot of returns from people who are unhappy.”
Early negative Blu-ray reviews could lead manufacturers to tread cautiously to shelves with players after Samsung took hits from consumers upset over operational problems.

Not the best of news.

[kikkomaniac]

dont worry - im about a month time ps3 will land i the states and BAM - 400.000 blu-ray players out there

[Jazar]

That is true. With the bundling that online stores will do I'd imagine that BD titles will get a huge jump from that alone.

[Chris Beveridge]

Panasonic has supposedly only put out a run of 5000 of their player and by all appearances it's selling out very fast. That's also 5000 copies of Eight Below moved into the market.

[JTK]

Like I wrote in another thread:

Originally Posted by Jazar

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=2996

Looks like Toshiba might sell more this year (not counting PS3).

And the other standalone players.

There's a lot of HT enthusiasts on the Internet, and even more NOT on it, that are waiting for Panasonic, Sony, and Pioneer Elite, among other things.

But hey: That basically had 6 months out there virtually uncontested, thanks to BD's early and needless blunders.

[Knight-Errant]

assuming the pannys sell out fast with few hitches I can see companies suddenly getting a lot more confident with blu ray releases. Then its shock and awe time

[Dave]

Toshiba has sold ~25 000 so its not a big deal.
Panasonic will sell more than 50 000 soon

[Jazar]

How can Panasonic sell 50k units when they've only shipped 5?

[Blackraven]

Originally Posted by Jazar

How can Panasonic sell 50k units when they've only shipped 5?

lmao

yup, sales targets don't look good compared to the competition.

However, there is still hope with the upcoming PS3.

If Sony's sales targets are met, we can expect not lower than a million PS3s by end-November and AT LEAST 2 million before year-end.

Yay!

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Dave

Toshiba has sold ~25 000 so its not a big deal.
Panasonic will sell more than 50 000 soon

In how much time?


I'd love to see that happen, but there's no way it's going to reach that kind of figure in 6 months or less.


Keep in mind: This is a first gen, greater than $1000 piece of hardware that everyone knows will be succeeded by a second gen unit in fairly short order.


I wonder how many players Panasonic has even pressed up by this point and what their projections are for the next 6 months on that?


Put it to you this way: If $1000+ players like that sell in 6 months or so anywhere remotely close to the kind of figure, Blu-Ray will indeed win in very fast and short order, because that means anything south of a grand is selling that much more robustly.


I'd like to see it happen...but I certainly won't believe it until I actually DO see it.



And Blu-Ray needs something besides just the PS3 around that $500-$600 price point. A lot of people simply do not want to buy a videogame console.

I nominate the fixed and revised Samsung to be slashed down to $499-$599 and make it the entry level standalone BD player.

It's been overpriced anyways since day one anyways. They were out of their minds to launch that thing at a grand MSRP.

It should have launched at an MSRP matching the Toshiba XA1 at most and now it should be lower than that. IMO.



Footnote: Relatively speaking, 6 months is fairly insignifigant in the world of retail.


One thing that's easy for all of us to forget is: No matter how many forums you go to and how many forumers are there....those people are a mere fraction of the much larger group of AV and HT enthusisats out there that just don't give a rip about posting on Internet forums.

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by JTK

And Blu-Ray needs something besides just the PS3 around that $500-$600 price point. A lot of people simply do not want to buy a videogame console.

I nominate the fixed and revised Samsung to be slashed down to $499-$599 and make it the entry level standalone BD player.

It's been overpriced anyways since day one anyways. They were out of their minds to launch that thing at a grand MSRP.

It should have launched at an MSRP matching the Toshiba XA1 at most and now it should be lower than that. IMO.

I agree, and I've said it over and over. I just posted in another thread not too long ago that, finding Sammy refurbs for under $600 and new players for under $800 is fine, but it's still too much. They (Samsung) need to officially slash their MSRP by a sizable amount, because you can still find that Samsung selling in most places for their MSRP, which is ridiculous, IMO.

One thing that's easy for all of us to forget is: No matter how many forums you go to and how many forumers are there....those people are a mere fraction of the much larger group of AV and HT enthusisats out there that just don't give a rip about posting on Internet forums.

Absolutely, and it doesn't reflect the larger non-enthusiast market either that knows nothing or next to nothing about either format and knows of none of the so-called 'blunders' by Blu-ray or 'early leads' by HD DVD.

If those numbers are to be believed - 10,000 Samsungs , 5,000 Panasonics, and 25,000 Toshibas - that gives HD DVD a whopping 10,000 player lead. Please. Those are the kinds of numbers that make corporations either not blink an eye or abandon something outright. SACD and DVD-A have sold way more than that, and where is their support?

[BTBuck1]

ps3 is the launch vehichle for Blu Ray. everything else is just Gravy right now.

i'll take the 10,000 sammys....the panny's and the Sony's.

It's all gravy, kibbles & bits!