Pioneer Elite SC-25, SC-27

[sarge1976]

cool! thanks for the info

[bsgraupner]

SC-25/27 owners:

What did you have before? What are you noticing as a difference?

I have a VSX-92TXH I love. I'm not so sure if the upgrades the SC-25/27's have are applicable/advantageous. Here are the differences: HELP?

-ICE POWER
[awesome but I won't upgrade just to keep it cool/ save power]

-High end Wolfson Analog to Digital processors and Burr Brown Digital to Analog processors are included in the 27 but not in the 92
25/27:
Analog to Digital Conversion Burr Brown 192 kHz / 24-bit
Digital Analog Conversion (DAC) Wolfson WM8740 192 kHz / 24-bit DAC
my 92:
Analog to Digital Conversion 96 Khz / 24-Bit
Digital Analog Conversion (DAC) 192 kHz / 24-Bit

[Forgive me if I'm wrong but this is irrelevant if you are not inputting or outputting analog right? If everything is optical/HDMI/Coax then these are never used]

-48 Bit Deep Color Support vs. Deep Color Support (no specific listed)

[A Pioneer tech support supervisor told me 48 bit deep color will just pass through my receiver from a 48 bit player to a tv if those two support it, not that I could tell the difference anyway]

-Home media

[I can live without that if I couldn't I'd buy an Apple TV- THIS WONT EVEN WORK WITH MY MAC]

-Iphone support rather than just ipod

[The new input seems horribly designed. There is no input in the back. That means rather than have your iphone be a component like any other, hooked up through the back with a nice place to interface where you'd like, you have to pull the front panel down and interface in the front! The iphone actually interfaces on the 92 with a warning that it won't charge]

-Pure Cinema I/P Converter

[What is this?]

-Better GUI which you only use once anyway

-3D Noise Reduction (Analog SD)
-3D Y/C Separation

[What are these??]

-PQLS for Audio

[So if this links audio to go with the video between a blue ray and a receiver equipped with the same- is everyone else watching lagging movies? How real is this feature?]

-ULTRA 2 THX (according to THX's website this is the same as Select 2 but for rooms where the listener is greater than 12 feet from the center channel- not applicable to me in my apartment)

-New THX radio live music setting

(I love Neural THX for FM radio so I'm sure this is actually a really great feature)

Explanations are greatly appreciated.

[JinxDMC]

Hey guys I just got upgraditis and bought all new speakers now i might get an early Xmas present and get a new Receiver----> wife gonna buy it

I am coming from an onkyo 605 which i got in a HTIB, so i want know if the price difference between the 25 and 27 is justified? and what are the main differences between the two?

thanks for your help

[bsgraupner]

Originally Posted by JinxDMC

Hey guys I just got upgraditis and bought all new speakers now i might get an early Xmas present and get a new Receiver----> wife gonna buy it

I am coming from an onkyo 605 which i got in a HTIB, so i want know if the price difference between the 25 and 27 is justified? and what are the main differences between the two?

thanks for your help

Good luck getting an answer. No one in these forums really can tell you what the commonly known model-distinguishing features do on these receivers. It appears as though no one in this forum really knows anything. Everyone just seems to be a fanboy consumerist who upgrades every year without real review or cause. I post the same technological question in 2 places asking if anyone can tell me what the new features actually do and to give me real applicable significant reasons why the new 27 is better than my 2 year old 92 and the only answer I got was "I got the 27 and I love it."

When it comes to the nitty gritty specification questions I asked in my previous posts, no one seems to have the know-how to step up to the plate and have a real dialogue.

(this antagonistic post is purposely abrasive, perhaps someone will rise to the challenge)

[Steve]

Originally Posted by bsgraupner

Good luck getting an answer. No one in these forums really can tell you what the commonly known model-distinguishing features do on these receivers. It appears as though no one in this forum really knows anything. Everyone just seems to be a fanboy consumerist who upgrades every year without real review or cause. I post the same technological question in 2 places asking if anyone can tell me what the new features actually do and to give me real applicable significant reasons why the new 27 is better than my 2 year old 92 and the only answer I got was "I got the 27 and I love it."

When it comes to the nitty gritty specification questions I asked in my previous posts, no one seems to have the know-how to step up to the plate and have a real dialogue.

(this antagonistic post is purposely abrasive, perhaps someone will rise to the challenge)

Aside from the extra HDMI inputs, detachable power cord, iphone control (and included iphone cable) and ICE amps of the newer models, it doesn't look like you're gaining an awful lot over what you have now. And if you don't care about the ICE amp and don't have an i-phone then I don't really see where it would be worthwhile unless you absolutely needed a couple more HDMI inputs or an additional HDMI output.

The other thing that jumps out at me is the different levels of THX certification of the new models. From what I can see looking at the specs of your model, it does't appear to be THX certified. This also may or may not be important to you. For a better understanding of what you get when something is THX certified read this article.

[bsgraupner]

Originally Posted by fireman325

Aside from the extra HDMI inputs, detachable power cord, iphone control (and included iphone cable) and ICE amps of the newer models, it doesn't look like you're gaining an aweful lot over what you have now. And if you don't care about the ICE amp and don't have an i-phone then I don't really see where it would be worthwhile unless you absolutely needed a couple more HDMI inputs or an additional HDMI output.

The other thing that jumps out at me is the different levels of THX certification of the new models. From what I can see looking at the specs of your model, it does't appear to be THX certified. This also may or may not be important to you. For a better understanding of what you get when something is THX certified read this article.

THAT is a real response. Thank you.

My receiver is THX Select 2 Certified and has a slew of THX modes. But you are right it doesn't have 2 that the new one has- THX Ultra 2 (Same as Select 2 but for larger rooms I don't have) and a THX radio setting for live radio music. The THX Neural sound on mine produces AMAZING FM radio sound so I'm sure that THX setting is great, just not worth the upgrade.

A huge downgrade to the new one is the limit to only a front panel ipod input. I have an iphone and so does my girlfriend but they work fine through the ipod input and cable supplied with our receiver, which hooks up in the back. We have the iphone sit in a drawer then out of sight. On the new one you would have to pull down the front panel and hook up in the front every time it seems.

I just had someone offer me $800 for my receiver and wants to buy on Wednesday. It's a good price for him and actually the price I paid for it new ($1500 list but authorized electronics rocks). I will wait to see if anyone has anything to add as a reason to upgrade but if not, I think I will keep mine.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THESE SC-25/27 FEATURES ARE:
-Pure Cinema I/P Converter
-3D Noise Reduction (Analog SD)
-3D Y/C Separation
-PQLS for Audio (I know what this is but on this one my question is whether its relevant if you have short cables)

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by bsgraupner

THAT is a real response. Thank you.

My receiver is THX Select 2 Certified and has a slew of THX modes. But you are right it doesn't have 2 that the new one has- THX Ultra 2 (Same as Select 2 but for larger rooms I don't have) and a THX radio setting for live radio music. The THX Neural sound on mine produces AMAZING FM radio sound so I'm sure that THX setting is great, just not worth the upgrade.

A huge downgrade to the new one is the limit to only a front panel ipod input. I have an iphone and so does my girlfriend but they work fine through the ipod input and cable supplied with our receiver, which hooks up in the back. We have the iphone sit in a drawer then out of sight. On the new one you would have to pull down the front panel and hook up in the front every time it seems.

I just had someone offer me $800 for my receiver and wants to buy on Wednesday. It's a good price for him and actually the price I paid for it new ($1500 list but authorized electronics rocks). I will wait to see if anyone has anything to add as a reason to upgrade but if not, I think I will keep mine.

DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THESE SC-25/27 FEATURES ARE:
-Pure Cinema I/P Converter
-3D Noise Reduction (Analog SD)
-3D Y/C Separation
-PQLS for Audio (I know what this is but on this one my question is whether its relevant if you have short cables)

I posted this back in the Pioneer Elite 01/03/05/07/09 Thread. It is taken from an article that I quoted, I hope this helps, post #367. However, please do not try to use the lowest common denominator in an effort to seek help. Aside from the usual "I love my receiver" reply....there are many, many members who do know a lot of informaton and who are willing to help. As you can see, Fireman is exactly one of those kind of members. I also want you to know that not many members have these receivers yet, as they just came out, so you are quite limited in the # of members who know this set well enough to speak on its behalf. I am one of the latter, and cannot provide the answers to your additional questions above, but I hope someone else will. I hope you find the info he provided and my post as well to your initial post, informative. Good luck with your search.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...102113&page=19

[bsgraupner]

Thanks. Yeah I know you guys are here and as I said my post was trying to get you guys to come out of the woodwork for this one ;-)

In response to your post (thank you for it), it seems those new capacitors are only utilized when inputting an analog source, or outputting one from a digital input. Since all of my equipment will be HDMI (except for sources where audio quality is irrelevant such as the original Nintendo) those upgrades are irrelevant in my case. Is that correct?

Also, I went to your link but couldn't find an explanation of the unknown features I listed. Do you know what those are and what difference they make?

Thanks

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by bsgraupner

Thanks. Yeah I know you guys are here and as I said my post was trying to get you guys to come out of the woodwork for this one ;-)

In response to your post (thank you for it), it seems those new capacitors are only utilized when inputting an analog source, or outputting one from a digital input. Since all of my equipment will be HDMI (except for sources where audio quality is irrelevant such as the original Nintendo) those upgrades are irrelevant in my case. Is that correct?

Also, I went to your link but couldn't find an explanation of the unknown features I listed. Do you know what those are and what difference they make?

Thanks

Unforunately, my comment above about not knowing the latter to your questions above was referencing the new questions you asked in post #26. Not having one of these and again, their new status, makes it difficult to get a feel for what features they have or can do. In your situation, it appears you are better off keeping your current receiver. Sorry for any confusion.

[bsgraupner]

Thanks. I think you're right.

If any new owners have an explanation for the new features it would be much appreciated.

[GuitarGuyBMG]

Hey all, I was just wondering what the main differences between the 25 and 27 are. I've looked at the comparison on Pioneer's website, but I'm not too sure what all the terms mean. I'm not powering a huge room, you can see it in my gallery, so what do you think the best receiver for the money is?

Does anyone know of any great deals on them anywhere?

[Steve]

If you're referring to differences in power then they're the same. They both use the same amp and power supply as I understand it.

[will0775]

Originally Posted by GuitarGuyBMG

Hey all, I was just wondering what the main differences between the 25 and 27 are. I've looked at the comparison on Pioneer's website, but I'm not too sure what all the terms mean. I'm not powering a huge room, you can see it in my gallery, so what do you think the best receiver for the money is?

Does anyone know of any great deals on them anywhere?

I say go with the SC-25. Like Fireman said there is not much difference especially for the room you have. I have the SC-05 last years model to the SC-25, and it rocks

[Sixx]

Try this....they both Rock!

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/po...ction=overview

[gfilez3]

Originally Posted by will0775

i say go with the sc-25. Like fireman said there is not much difference espcecially for the room you have. I have the sc-05 last years model to the sc-25, and it rocks

+1

[Fors*]

Biggest difference between the two IMO is the SC-25 is THX Select2 Plus Certified and the SC-27 is THX Ultra2 Plus certified. And this only comes in handy if you are using THX certified equipment in conjunction with the SC-25 or SC-27...and I can tell you that there is only a handful of subs and other pieces of equipment that are.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by forsberg21

Biggest difference between the two IMO is the SC-25 is THX Select2 Plus Certified and the SC-27 is THX Ultra2 Plus certified. And this only comes in handy if you are using THX certified equipment in conjunction with the SC-25 or SC-27...and I can tell you that there is only a handful of subs and other pieces of equipment that are.

And I don't really understand that because the difference between Select2 Plus certified and Ultra2 Plus certified as I understand it is performance in rooms of different sizes, which would imply that either Ultra needs more power at some specified distortion level or that Ultra requires the same power minimum at a lower distortion level. But the SC25 and SC27 have exactly the same specs in this regard. So I don't understand how one can be Select rated and one can be Ultra rated unless Pioneer purposely didn't submit the SC25 for Ultra rating in order to have a marketing distinction.

Maybe someone with more knowledge can explain the difference better. Last time I checked the THX site, it wasn't much help. I must admit I trust THX less since Lucas spun it off.

As far as I can tell, the only things the SC27 has that the SC25 doesn't are:
- Sampling rate converter
- Learning remote
- Support for WMA files
- 1 xtra component video out
- 1 xtra coax output
- Zone 2 video can be component or composite (on the SC25 only composite)
- $400 difference in price at list.

[GuitarGuyBMG]

I hooked up my SC-25 to two HDMI componets ( BluRay Player and XBOX360 ) last night. My speaker wire isn't here yet so I didn't have any audio.

My problem is video quality - my TV indicated that the XBOX360 through the SC-25 was only able to get 60hz at 1080p while I normally get 120hz. The bluray player routed through the SC-25 was only able to muster 720p at 60hz... the PQ was pretty bad when comparing it to what it normally is.

I must mention that I am, for the time being, using a crappy XBOX360 HDMI cable to connect the SC-25 to my TV. I bought a MediaBridge HDMI cable that should be considerably better - it arrived yesterday at my parents house, about 30 min. drive from my college condo. I'm going to get it tomorrow.

Do you think the poor quality HDMI cable is the cause? If not, do you have any recommendations?

Also, do any of you have any ideas about why my SC-25 wont go into standby with the XBOX360?

[Fors*]

It would sure make alot of sense if it turns out to be the HDMI cable. The video should be "passing-through" which means it is not being altered or touched in any way by your SC-25. I have almost the same TV, and my video looks great. I'll resolve to say it is the HDMI cable at this time and wait to see what the better one does.

As far as stand-by, my SC-05 always turns off completely, and never goes into any kind of stand-by mode. I have asked this question myself, and no one could ever figure out why I can't, so unfortunately, I can't provide an answer for you on that one.

Let us know how the HDMI cable turns out.

[lokir1]

Ne thing to work in stanby mode must be hdmi comtrol compatible and at that isnt guaranteed to work for sure by pioneer's owns statements unless it is their own propriety hdmi control design also known as KURO LINK