VHS/Beta war same as Blu-ray/HD DVD?

[bw1605]

ok this may have been beaten down already if so i am sorry. but wasnt sony the creator of beta, and since porn is said to be the deciding factor in that war, isnt it weird that there isnt going to be porn on blu-ray. it just seems sony wouldve learned from there mistakes. but we are killing the compition right now and i dont wanna see it die

[goodstuff]

There is porn on Blu-Ray, though they're selling like crap on both formats. Media-based porn is no longer the force it was back in the 80's when that was all you could get to view it at home. Now, it's all about the internet porn.


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[aphex]

Originally Posted by bw1605

ok this may have been beaten down already if so i am sorry. but wasnt sony the creator of beta, and since porn is said to be the deciding factor in that war, isnt it weird that there isnt going to be porn on blu-ray. it just seems sony wouldve learned from there mistakes. but we are killing the compition right now and i dont wanna see it die

back then vhs or beta was necessary for porn. Nowadays it's all the internet(not literally all), but the market has defiately changed for it.

[Zyclone]

hey mate welcome to the forums , there is porn on blu ray already , sony just said they won't help them with specs or let them use their pressing plants etc to make it , but there is porn blu ray titles.

porn helped VHS won but that was before the internet , porn dvd sales would have dropped largely by now so , plus porn titles on blu ray or HD DVD are very costly.

enjoy your stay , stay down with the clown etc.

[BluStar88]

Originally Posted by bw1605

ok this may have been beaten down already if so i am sorry. but wasnt sony the creator of beta, and since porn is said to be the deciding factor in that war, isnt it weird that there isnt going to be porn on blu-ray. it just seems sony wouldve learned from there mistakes. but we are killing the compition right now and i dont wanna see it die

There is porn! there seems to be more in Japan but there are no region issues. For japanese porn and others (cause you know inocent me would never buy any porn) you can go to www.amazon.co.jp

[bw1605]

thats cool i didnt think about the internet porn playing a factor. well i am glad to hear this isnt in the same fashion as the 80's then

[Gio]

i feel its more like the dvd / divix war in which paramount also suppoted the losing format, as it was already said people get their porn mainly from the internet

[Moefiz]

I think that the war between the Sony and Toshiba is different form the VHS and Betamax war, back in then you didn't have the amount of information that you have now and I think that if you did it would have been a different outcome.Maybe porn decided that war but no way is it goin to have that kind of effect on this one....

[tron3]

Originally Posted by bw1605

ok this may have been beaten down already if so i am sorry. but wasnt sony the creator of beta, and since porn is said to be the deciding factor in that war, isnt it weird that there isnt going to be porn on blu-ray. it just seems sony wouldve learned from there mistakes. but we are killing the compition right now and i dont wanna see it die

Firstly, how do you guys know porn is available on BD without having looked for it?

It wasn't just porn that helped VHS win. Sure, it is still a big market as it was back them, but as everyone has been saying - that market has greatly shifted to the World Wide ******.

The BIG issue was only Sony produced Betamax. They would not license a single soul to make players - NO ONE. VHS only had 50 less lines of resolution, but everyone made the players. Sony arrogantly stood firm in "beta is better".

Well, VHS was cheaper and you had a choice of whose player you wanted. With Sony, you had one choice, and that was as good as no choice to some people. Sony simply got greedy, got stupid, and died alone like a Samari, sword in hand.

Don't think the studios liked the idea of paying money to Sony for every movie recorded on Beta.

Odd how Toshiba and Microsoft have joined forces to repeat history and make similar mistakes. History will repeat itself. Sony Pictures, Fox Studios, and Disney are going NO WHERE. Universal and Warner still sit on the fence with both legs dangling in our camp. Just a matter of time.

[Go Blu]

Well said.

Porn is a totally different animal today then it was back then.

VHS was a good vehicle because people could purchase and own it discretely in their own homes. Today we have the internet for that and mostly for free!

As far as not making the same mistake twice, Sony did a great thing this time. It got buy-in from all the members that make up the BDA association.

[haushausman]

Originally Posted by goodstuff

There is porn on Blu-Ray, though they're selling like crap on both formats. Media-based porn is no longer the force it was back in the 80's when that was all you could get to view it at home. Now, it's all about the internet porn.


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Bingo. Porn's run around 40 bucks a pop. Or... download it for free.

The Beta vs. VHS comparison cannot be used... over two decades have gone by since and too much has changed.

Not to mention Sony kept the rights to their Beta technology and that was a huge factor in its downfall. Obviously the rights to using Blu-Ray have been released. I may be inaccurate with this, I was about 3 years old when Beta was around.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by Go Blu

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As far as not making the same mistake twice, Sony did a great thing this time. It got buy-in from all the members that make up the BDA association.

Big retail companies have made great strides since the 80's in learning how to conduct business. However, "Corporate Head Syndrome" still rears its ugly little face from time to time.

Sony believed they would control the market! "We will produce all the players." "They will only play on our TV's." (At first, that was the case). "We will control the content.", "We will make money for every movie sold on Betamax." It was that assonine Pearl Harbor mentality all over again.

Still happens in business. Look how one CEO could have told Toshiba, guys... drop the gauntlet, we have no chance of winning. But his arrogance and threats to marketing and developers was supposed to make it all better. That CEO had no idea what he was up against. Blu-ray is bigger than Microsoft. Not in the litteral sense, in the sense once people know the difference, they decisively want blu-ray to win. Personal grudges against Microsoft doesn't hurt us!

Mac was better too, so why did the PC win? Same story as VHS. Multiple vendors eventually were allowed and MUCH cheaper, though they lacked the slickness, it did the job.

[SNAP]

The vhs/beta war wasnt studio-sensitive.

[undertow1141]

Originally Posted by bw1605

ok this may have been beaten down already if so i am sorry. but wasnt sony the creator of beta, and since porn is said to be the deciding factor in that war, isnt it weird that there isnt going to be porn on blu-ray. it just seems sony wouldve learned from there mistakes. but we are killing the compition right now and i dont wanna see it die

To be blunt, porn makes no difference what so ever. The porn of this battle is data storage and capacity. Which Blu-ray has won hands down. HD DVD was supposed to put out a 1x burner almost a year ago, and still it doesnt exist in the consumer market, while Blu-Ray is now marketing a 4x burner and Sony plans a under $200 Blu-ray ROM drive first quarter next year. Movies is all HD DVD has, in every other aspect of the optical market it has be beaten into a dirty greasy smudge.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by SNAP

The vhs/beta war wasnt studio-sensitive.

I have to agree. As I recall, of the studios decided to support both formats. Hey, they were in it for the buck and still do so. They don't give a damn if your last working Betamax player just chewed up your tape. Buy a new one. Can't find it in Beta anymore? Oh well, we have it in VHS. Ultimately, they don't care if you ever watch the movie again - JUST BUY IT, and buy it again when a new rendition comes out.

[Go Blu]

I think they are not allowing the burner to come out due to the lack of copy protection. Then only one person would buy Transformers and make a million copies. They can't exactly afford to be loosing sales to their own pirated copies.

[BluStar88]

Originally Posted by Go Blu

I think they are not allowing the burner to come out due to the lack of copy protection. Then only one person would buy Transformers and make a million copies. They can't exactly afford to be loosing sales to their own pirated copies.

some truth to what you say but with transformers it wouldn't affect blu-ray profits as most people would buy the real one when it is released after paramounts deal expires.

[glenn22]

Porn winning the war for VHS wasn't as big a factor as people may think, in fact it is largely an urban myth. The REAL REASON that VHS won was due to it's greatly increased recording time over betamax.

People had no other way of recording their favorite TV shows and such until VHS/Betamax arrived. Don't you remember setting up that VCR and taping a show that you wanted to watch later? EVERYONE had that tape that they re-used a billion times to record a show every week. VHS allowed more recording time and made that easier for the masses. These days, there are PVRs and downloadable internet content which have basically replaced the VCR.

There have been a myriad of changes worldwide since the Betamax/VHS war, such as the Internet. Porn was not available in any other portable media at the time, you had to go to strip club or watch it at a scummy theatre... These days it's far more accessible.

If you were to look at this war objectively and compare it to the VHS/Betamax war, HD-DVD would be more representative of Betamax as it's space is smaller (30GB to Blu-ray's 50GB) than Blu-ray. Porn is a non-issue here and as been said, it's already available on Blu-ray anyways.

[CptGreedle]

Well as everyone else said... porn is no longer the deciding factor, in fact it is not a factor at all in this war wince the HD-DVD camp has spread the lie/rumor that there is no porn on Blu-ray (not true), and all HD disc porn is selling bad anyways cause it is all available online.
I also hear a lot of the actresses don't like it cause it shows so much detail that they can't hide the razor burn and pimples.

As for BETA and VHS... this is nothing like it. Before that war there were no home media formats for movies at all. The fact that porn was the deciding factor is overrated, yes it was a big factor, but the overall content was the real cause. Since no one could get porn at home (had to go to theaters and whatnot), the format that brings it into the home had a huge advantage. Sex sells... period. But right now, the porn industry decided that their business will be online! They have spent lots of money and a butt load of time on their internet businesses and are not making money from DVD sales like they used to.

Either way... the entire porn argument is just more FUD spread by the HD-DEAD camp. They love to come up with crap to try to make their format look like it will in. Can you believe I actually heard one say that beta max was superior but still lost, which is why Blu-ray will loose too. (Cause its better?)

[Xerious]

BETA ~= HD DVD

why? Because technically, BETA was a better format than VHS... it lost because of corporate arrogance, the same of which Toshiba is now employing. You have a total of 2 CE manufacturers as opposed to the myriad of BD CE providors. in this era of information and the "empowered consumer", choice is a big factor. But BD is the better format across the board, so it cannot be compared to VHS.