why Fox is stll going with Blu-ray and not HD DVD

[badboi]

# Note to Twentieth Century Fox: As you can see, BD+ didn't offer you any advanced security, it just annoyed some of your customers with older players. So could you please cut this crap and start publishing your titles on HD DVD? There are thousands of people willing to give you money.

Does anyone else see the irony in that statement that I put in black? You know these people are about as daft as a box of frogs. "Thousands of people willing to give you money?" How? They are stealing their stuff.

[tironside]

Originally Posted by qz3fwd

Movies will continue to be released even when either/both AACS/BD+ have been nullified, look at CSS as en example, otherwise their business models would fail and they would go out of business. DVD is a prime example, unsecure, yet this has not stopped any studio from releasing their titles over the last 8-10 years.

you really don't get it do you.

if the companies that made movies and other forms of entertainment got 100% of the revenues (i.e. no piracy) they would fund more movies, and take more risks in movies and properties. meaning we would get better entertainment.

as it stands hollywood is almost completely a big blockbuster formula driven industry, they wont take risks.

do you want the movie industry to end up like ea games? same game repackaged again and again for all eternity, nay say I!

drm serves a purpose, people just think that they are free to do whatever they want and get mad when restrictions on their activities are enforced.

Tony

[atomik kinder]

You know what I find funny, and not humorous funny. Everybody keeps thinking that the people who copy movies are either techies or these big thieves who want to copy the movies and sell them. That is only partially true. Just look on ebay and see how many "import movies" there are available and then look at some of the feedback of the sellers. Many of them have complaints that the copies they are selling are just that, copies, burned copies. But then just listen to people. One woman I work with, told me that her father-in-law copies everything he rents and gives them copies too. Another woman, just a day or two ago said that her sister makes copies of movies for her, but she was ticked off because they skip alot. Then, another woman (yes, I work with a lot of women...) says they buy one copy of a movie and then make copies for everyone in the family. "Why should everybody buy their own copy?" she asked. These are normal average people! You would never guess it to look at them. The last example, this woman is about ready to retire! Now, can you imagine how many people are doing this? Why do you see so many people buying large amounts of blank DVDs? Its not just because they want to back up stuff on their computers or store some digital pictures I can tell you that. Now take a guess at how much money Hollywood is losing? I am sure it is in the billions every year! They are doing this not to just make it difficult for the hackers to do it, but normal average people.

[CAB]

Originally Posted by qz3fwd

"We need/want more DRM on our discs...DRM is good for consumers..." is unbeleivable.

I haven't read one post that says or implies this. DRM is good for the studio and in the case of FOX it is a requirement for their support of an HDM format. DRM isn't bad for me because i don't plan on making copies for backup or multiple viewing. I like BD+ because it gets Disney and Fox behind what I believe is the better format. I like BD+ because it makes it hard to steal. Nothing in the spec says a studio is required to implement BD+ on their content. If the consumer doesn't want it they don't have to buy it and the company stops doing it or goes out of business.

[Dalese]

Originally Posted by CAB

I haven't read one post that says or implies this. DRM is good for the studio and in the case of FOX it is a requirement for their support of an HDM format. DRM isn't bad for me because i don't plan on making copies for backup or multiple viewing. I like BD+ because it gets Disney and Fox behind what I believe is the better format. I like BD+ because it makes it hard to steal. Nothing in the spec says a studio is required to implement BD+ on their content. If the consumer doesn't want it they don't have to buy it and the company stops doing it or goes out of business.

+1 for me on this.

I just posted on the other thread following a similar subject...

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=52

[Anthony P]

But, IF they replaced the Virtual Machine of the player and impersonate a licensed playback device, wouldnt they be able to do just about anything? Maybe I do not correctly understand how the system works?

why do people buy MS OS or Apple OS? why not make your own OS that is exactly the same as either MS' or Apple's and then use it with all the programs you want?

a VM is the exact same thing like the OS it takes a program (in this case in BD+ that is on the disk) and changes it into something the device can use.

[mystiksuicide]

I get this image of a street panhandler begging for money when I read the OP.
How sad, how pathetic.

[galz]

Originally Posted by dtrush

Honestly, I don't think Blu-Ray discs really need to be "backed up". In the past I could argue that I didn't want my DVD to get scratched by my 3 year old but I don't think this argument holds true anymore. We shouldn't have to worry about this with the awesome protection layer on the BD itself. I rented from Blockbuster the other day & my wife told me that our daughter had the disc in her hand. Fearing that she might scratch the BD and we'd have to buy it, naturally wanted to get it away from her. I told her not to worry and that there's no way she'll scratch it Of course I let her keep it & there isn't even a sign of a scratch on it.
To be short....... BD's don't need to be backed up!

I agree with you..but I also believe until laws are changed they have a legal right to use that argument whether we agree with it or not. Laws have not been updated to the current times for this. If I am not mistaken these are laws from when cassette or VCR tapes were introduced?

The question I would have is how do they determine which technology you should be allowed to back up vs. what you can't? If they do get around to addressing these laws I wonder how they would address the diffrent technolgies, they surely wouldn't have separate laws for each type of technology I don't think.

[galz]

Ok I should have researched more before posting. The DMCA laws addressed the copying of of media. If it is using protection you can not break it so DMCA laws throw out fair use on those products.

They can also take away fair use rights in any license agreements you may have to accept.

So I guess fair use depends on the product you purchase?

[Rumar 4U]

Funny thing is... Some Hackers got to hack their own software (Slysoft) how do they must feel about it ?

And perhaps hacking Blu its not a good investment while a blank Blu-ray Disc BD-R or BD-RE cost around $25 each one, the same amount for the movie and they have like the BD25

Have you wonder why the DVD-DL still expensive ? or why they havent built a DVD-DL-RW ? piracy wont win with Blu

[DefTechPioElite]

Originally Posted by qz3fwd

I agree. It was a good movie, all of them, but the original was the best.

hell yeah arnold FTW

[Ilka]

Originally Posted by Seretur

Newsflash: Piracy enablers now advocate HD DVD!

How come these people aren't behind bars, anyway?

If you check out the news summary at doom9, they state "AnyDVD HD 6.1.9.6 supports more MKBv4 titles, and handles BD+. Now, that doesn't mean BD+ is cracked. You still need a BD+ capable player to play the decrypted disc - however, it seems that burning the decrypted disc with the BD+ folder will result in proper playback on devices that can handle BD+. Since playback of non encrypted BDMV discs is outside the Blu-ray specs, it remains to be seen whether Sony and Co. will undo that loophole by coming up with yet another Blu-ray profile that prohibits playback of unprotected BDMV discs, or if Fox and Co. revamped the BD+ spec to only allow decryption if the underlying disc has AACS encryption. Either way, at this point I wouldn't bet much money on this workaround being permanent, so you should heed Slysoft's advice about buying HD media and buy HD DVD over Blu-ray - it is the more consumer friendly format (not to be confused with a consumer friendly format) and the risk you incur of not being able to exercise your fair use rights in the future are greatly reduces if Blu-ray becomes the prevailing format."

I interpret that to mean that they are recommending HD DVD because it is soooooooooooooo cracked, whereas BD+ is still in great doubt. So, of course they want HD DVD to win.

[Frode]

Originally Posted by galz

They can also take away fair use rights in any license agreements you may have to accept.

Err.. no they can't. That's the whole point of fair use. It grants the user a basic set of rights that can't be overridden by license agreements and the like. The whole problem with fair use however, is what exactly constitutes fair use - ripping discs and putting them up for download certainly isn't covered. Removing region restrictions could be considered fair use, and making low resolution copies for playback on a video ipod or PSP as well.

[Papi4baby]

Originally Posted by qz3fwd

Probably the only reason. You guys crack me up. Personally I own both formats, but all the cheerleading-"We need/want more DRM on our discs...DRM is good for consumers..." is unbeleivable. Look at DVD and CSS, cracked for years and still the most profitable CE invention in the History of the field? CSS is practically a moot point nowadays, yet there are still millions or billions of DVD's sold every year and the studios rake in the truckloads of cash every day throughout the year.

I guess you rather have the studios not released movies since anyone can steal them.
This is not 1990 anymore, they will just go to downloads if the same thing happens with HDM that happen with DVD.
Plust good luck burning all the movies you rent of whatever, BD-R's are not cheap.

Slysoft=Fail

[DealsR4theDevil]

Originally Posted by Joe Cain

It's not about benefits to the consumer; the only right one has as a consumer is the right to buy or not to buy. And (hard as this may be to believe) buying an optical storage disc containing a feature film does not grant one ownership of the contents of that disc.

People who create---including intellectual property---should be afforded the right to profit from what they create.

Couldnt have said it better myself.

Thats what I try to tell my friends. Nobody listens though. The nicest, most well mannered, and moral people I know have no problem with stealing music or movies online.

I pay for all of my music and movies, I have done so for over 3 years. Theft is theft no matter how you spin it.