Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[P@t_Mtl]

The circle is now complete! When I left the thread the bashing was all the rage, now that I am back...it's still going on

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by MCT

timeE1985, you're pissing in the wind trying to convince Beast that the PT is trash and all the changes made in the SE's were for the worse. Let it go. If Lucas decides to change the name of the very franchise to Outer Space Galactic Rim Warfare, he wouldn't have a problem with it. Whatever master Lucas wishes to do with his little toy is fine with him.

What does it matter? So he enjoy the prequels? Big deal! I would rather watch the prequels 500 times in a row then watch any movie with Will Ferrell. We all have stuff we like that someone else will think is pure garbage, yes even you MCT. If Beast enjoy the prequels good for him, I like them as well. I think it's time for everyone to let go of it and just move on. Say it once all together now "Beast enjoy the prequels!" Ok now? Everyone alright? It's out of your system?

Now let's talk about Star Wars.

[Sith]

Originally Posted by Beast

But it's still the movie with the least rewatchability due to depressing it is.

ROTS is by far the most uplifting of the film for some.

I just wish they would of shown a good five minute scene of Lord Vader's handling of the younglings at the Jedi Temple.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Beast

You wanted someone to address this.... so here we go.

No, I do not agree. It's not your local fast food place. You don't get to have it "Your way right away at Lucasfilm Now".

The only person who should get what they want is Lucas. As the Creator, the only person who needs to be satisfied is Lucas himself. He feels there is a lot of problems with the so-called Original Cuts, and doesn't consider them worth the time to throw money at to restore and release. Because they don't represent the movies as he wants them to be presented. You toss the term retcons around like they're some evil thing. But then, the reveal that Darth Vader as Luke's father is a retcon in itself. Any information revealed after the fact, especially in a follow-up movie is technically a retcon.

It just stands for retroactive continuity. It is not an evil thing. Certainly not how you're viewing it at least.

And just because we belong to the same community of Blu-Ray fans, does not mean that we have to prescribe to the same beliefs.
We're not sheep or lemmings. We're allowed to disagree. And in this case, I couldn't disagree more.

Are we allowed to disagree with Lucas?

[mjbethancourt]

If you paid for an admission ticket, you were entitled to watch a cinematic exhibition of the movie, nothing more. If you shelled out money for toys and collectibles, you were entitled to a quality product, not a piece of George Lucas. If you bought a home video, you were entitled to the video as advertised, not as fancied.

Your emotional investment was unsolicited and isn't worth a thing.

None of your investments, no matter how far overboard, make you a part-owner of 'Star Wars' -- not literally, and not even figuratively, not in any way whatsoever. Lucasfilm is a privately held company, 'Star Wars' belongs to George Lucas, and no one else. George Lucas sells movies and merchandise, not stock in Lucasfilm. Everything you ever paid for has long since been delivered, he doesn't owe any of you anything. You do not "pay his salary", he does not work for you, he is a free man, an independant proprietor. His product is offered as a "take it or leave it" proposition, if you don't want it, then move along, he has never "forced" anybody to buy anything. He is under no obligation to sell anybody anything, much less serve individualized demands. If he decides today that he doesn't want to sell any more 'Star Wars', in any form, that is his privilege. If he only wants to sell his latest update to the product, that also is his privilege, and thereby implying malice against his "older" customers is paranoid at best. There is nothing sinister about how he chooses to do business, a businessman is entitled to expand his customer base by offering new products (the prequel trilogy, SE), offering new products is not an "attack" on the existing clientele, to perceive it as such is insane. It's not as if he is depriving you of something you depend on to survive. If you don't want his updates, you don't have to buy them, just as he doesn't have to sell you versions that he is no longer interested in producing; he is not your slave, and you are not his. It's nothing to get bent-out-of-shape about.

Anybody who can't accept all of this, is acting like a spoiled little child.

[whbinder]

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by MCT

timeE1985, you're pissing in the wind trying to convince Beast that the PT is trash and all the changes made in the SE's were for the worse. Let it go. If Lucas decides to change the name of the very franchise to Outer Space Galactic Rim Warfare, he wouldn't have a problem with it. Whatever master Lucas wishes to do with his little toy is fine with him.

Why should you, or anybody for that matter, care a whit about pursuading somebody out of their opinion? And what is wrong with Beast being intractable on his opinion? There is no mandate for anybody's opinion to meet your approval. How would you like it if the fans ganged-up and ridiculed and badgered you over your opinion?

Originally Posted by octagon

Are we allowed to disagree with Lucas?

Yes, and Lucas is allowed to disagree with you. Since he owns 'Star Wars', guess who wins...

[RudyC]

i used to hope we would get extened editions of the first 3 films with all the deleted footage added in... i guess chances are zero now.

[timE1985]

Originally Posted by Beast

It was Empire Strikes Back. Might wanna take a time out and rewatch the films.

Give us an actual quote please.

Originally Posted by Beast

Again, it wasn't a retcon. And it doesn't insult either actors. Both of them were still paid for their roles and both recieved credit. And Sebastian Shaw still appears as unmasked Vader. All that was done is replace something that made no sense, with something that did.

The following is according to the Internet Movie Database:

"A digital rendering of Hayden appears in the 2004 DVD version of Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983), as the spirit of Anakin Skywalker. This replaced Sebastian Shaw as the ghostly image that appears beside Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda at the end of the film. Hayden said in an interview that he had been unaware of this change."

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0159789/bio#trivia

Credit indeed.

Originally Posted by Beast

No, I do not agree. It's not your local fast food place. You don't get to have it "Your way right away at Lucasfilm Now".

The only person who should get what they want is Lucas. As the Creator, the only person who needs to be satisfied is Lucas himself. He feels there is a lot of problems with the so-called Original Cuts, and doesn't consider them worth the time to throw money at to restore and release.

Is it honestly too much to ask that a Hollywood classic and some of the top grossing movies of all time be displayed in their original glory!? At the time they were filmed it certainly was what Lucas wanted and represented the pinnacle of motion picture technology.

You say this:

Originally Posted by Beast

Clearly you misinterpretid the original scene then.

Followed by this:

Originally Posted by Beast

What matters is how the individual feels about the movie. Not some nonsense average on a website.

At no point did I insult or blatantly disrespect other person's opinion. I've acted in a respectable manor and even suggested that immature insults be put aside in favor of logical rebuttals. I do feel, however, that the original series was a classic space opera, one sufficient for adults to enjoy. Additionally, the prequel series was little more than a cartoon targeting kids and designed to sell toys. Stands to reason that the behavior of fans of one particular trilogy over another would follow suit.

At this point, I will heed the advice of others to leave it be. It is my hope that we continue to recieve quality Blu-Ray releases (No more losssy audio please!) that we all can enjoy. Also, I anticipate that this website will remain the primary resource for HD movie fans and may it's bevy of information be reflected in this thread. I look forward to any further announcements regarding this highly anticipated release. May the force be with you!

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by timE1985

Give us an actual quote please.

That was the actual quote:

"luminous beings are we, not this crude matter"

that comes out of Yoda's mouth in Empire when he is trying to explain to Luke that the difference between lifting a fighter ship and lifting a rock is a difference that only exists in Luke's mind.

That dialogue is maybe the best in all of Star Wars, it is probably the most quoted and includes such gems as "try not... do, or do not, there is no try"; if you remember anything, you should remember that dialogue.

[BellesPrince]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

If you paid for an admission ticket, you were entitled to watch a cinematic exhibition of the movie, nothing more. If you shelled out money for toys and collectibles, you were entitled to a quality product, not a piece of George Lucas. If you bought a home video, you were entitled to the video as advertised, not as fancied.

Your emotional investment was unsolicited and isn't worth a thing.

None of your investments, no matter how far overboard, make you a part-owner of 'Star Wars' -- not literally, and not even figuratively, not in any way whatsoever. Lucasfilm is a privately held company, 'Star Wars' belongs to George Lucas, and no one else. George Lucas sells movies and merchandise, not stock in Lucasfilm. Everything you ever paid for has long since been delivered, he doesn't owe any of you anything. You do not "pay his salary", he does not work for you, he is a free man, an independant proprietor. His product is offered as a "take it or leave it" proposition, if you don't want it, then move along, he has never "forced" anybody to buy anything. He is under no obligation to sell anybody anything, much less serve individualized demands. If he decides today that he doesn't want to sell any more 'Star Wars', in any form, that is his privilege. If he only wants to sell his latest update to the product, that also is his privilege, and thereby implying malice against his "older" customers is paranoid at best. There is nothing sinister about how he chooses to do business, a businessman is entitled to expand his customer base by offering new products (the prequel trilogy, SE), offering new products is not an "attack" on the existing clientele, to perceive it as such is insane. It's not as if he is depriving you of something you depend on to survive. If you don't want his updates, you don't have to buy them, just as he doesn't have to sell you versions that he is no longer interested in producing; he is not your slave, and you are not his. It's nothing to get bent-out-of-shape about.

Anybody who can't accept all of this, is acting like a spoiled little child.

Hear, hear!

[octagon]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

Yes, and Lucas is allowed to disagree with you. Since he owns 'Star Wars', guess who wins...

I would think a draw is the most likely outcome, no?

As you yourself point out, neither Lucas nor I have anything the other actually needs.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by octagon

I would think a draw is the most likely outcome, no?

As you yourself point out, neither Lucas nor I have anything the other actually needs.

The difference is that he doesn't miss you or those who feel like that while the converse.... you're here talking about him in a thread about his movies.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by octagon

I would think a draw is the most likely outcome, no?

As you yourself point out, neither Lucas nor I have anything the other actually needs.

If the disagreement is about 'Star Wars', then I think the owner and creator of 'Star Wars' wins; but you may have a point, from some angle: he can't make you buy it if you don't want it, and you can't make him sell it "your way" instead of his.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by OG Pooh

I agree. In fact, GL said that the CGI Yoda in AotC & Sith was meant to be as much like the puppet as possible. Why make the CGI behave like the puppet if you don't like the puppet?

Because the puppet PERFORMANCE was great, but not the puppet itself.
I am FOR a CGI Yoda in all episodes.

Let the flaming begin!

Originally Posted by aiman04

Yes, Lucas himself has said that the Yoda puppet in the OT will not be replaced with CGI.

This proves that Lucas is not obsessed with CGI. Whatever he thinks work, CGI or practical he will use them and not change it. The Yoda puppet design in TPM was, well "weird" so he had to change it. Not everyone realizes that there are more model & practical effects in the prequels than CGI.

Sad, if true, but I could live with either way.

Originally Posted by Gaius Marius

I can see it now:

Star Wars 2012 - the 'new' special editions
Star Wars 2013 - with 5 SECONDS of new footage to every movie!
Star Wars 2014 - Updated all the effects to match current technology
Star Wars 2015 - the 'we swear it is definitive' version
Star Wars 2016 - fooled you
Star Wars 2017 - Just give us the money will ya?
Star Wars 2018 - the Super Dooper Jar Jar Edition

You just made my day! Especially from 2015 on.

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

If you paid for an admission ticket, you were entitled to watch a cinematic exhibition of the movie, nothing more. If you shelled out money for toys and collectibles, you were entitled to a quality product, not a piece of George Lucas. If you bought a home video, you were entitled to the video as advertised, not as fancied.

Your emotional investment was unsolicited and isn't worth a thing.

None of your investments, no matter how far overboard, make you a part-owner of 'Star Wars' -- not literally, and not even figuratively, not in any way whatsoever. Lucasfilm is a privately held company, 'Star Wars' belongs to George Lucas, and no one else. George Lucas sells movies and merchandise, not stock in Lucasfilm. Everything you ever paid for has long since been delivered, he doesn't owe any of you anything. You do not "pay his salary", he does not work for you, he is a free man, an independant proprietor. His product is offered as a "take it or leave it" proposition, if you don't want it, then move along, he has never "forced" anybody to buy anything. He is under no obligation to sell anybody anything, much less serve individualized demands. If he decides today that he doesn't want to sell any more 'Star Wars', in any form, that is his privilege. If he only wants to sell his latest update to the product, that also is his privilege, and thereby implying malice against his "older" customers is paranoid at best. There is nothing sinister about how he chooses to do business, a businessman is entitled to expand his customer base by offering new products (the prequel trilogy, SE), offering new products is not an "attack" on the existing clientele, to perceive it as such is insane. It's not as if he is depriving you of something you depend on to survive. If you don't want his updates, you don't have to buy them, just as he doesn't have to sell you versions that he is no longer interested in producing; he is not your slave, and you are not his. It's nothing to get bent-out-of-shape about.

Anybody who can't accept all of this, is acting like a spoiled little child.

Hear, hear! Great post, my friend! Absolutely TRUE!

[Monkey_Boy]

Oh, how awesome is next "Star Wars Day" gonna be? Just too awesome to measure!

This "Star Wars Day" takes place this Sunday, in The [upgraded] Den for the first time in the 5 years we've held it! Yep. It's "SWD"'s 5th Anniversary. (The first time being the very Wednesday after "ROTS" hit DVD.) Last year we had it at a buddy's house, and that turd wouldn't turn it up 'cause his wife was sleepin'. (Even though she said she didn't care if we did!) On top o' that, a dude showed up with a Boba Fett helmut signed by the guy who originally played him and he just wouldn't shut the **EXPLETIVE DELETED** up! That dude's supposed to show up this year, but good luck for anyone who wants to hear him! I'm turnin' it waaaaaay up! The wife is takin' off with the kids for the day and THE GEEKS ARE TAKIN' OVER! We even have a huge cardboard stand-up (from some toy store or another), with Anakin and Obi-Wan on it back-to-back with lightsabers, that we're puttin' in the living room window so EVERYBODY knows. Oh, yes. It's gonna be geeky... AND I CAN'T WAIT! I've even built risers behind the couch so The Den can hold more people. Quite a few have said they'd at least pop in for a movie or 2, but only 4 of us are in it for the long haul!

[Bluyoda]

Sounds awesome! I hope you will have a fantastic time!

I can't stand it when people talk during a movie.
However, I love to talk about the message and so on after the film.

I think I will wait for SW to hit BD though.
They deserve better than DVD.
I am spoiled now!

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

If you paid for an admission ticket, you were entitled to watch a cinematic exhibition of the movie, nothing more. If you shelled out money for toys and collectibles, you were entitled to a quality product, not a piece of George Lucas. If you bought a home video, you were entitled to the video as advertised, not as fancied.

Your emotional investment was unsolicited and isn't worth a thing.

None of your investments, no matter how far overboard, make you a part-owner of 'Star Wars' -- not literally, and not even figuratively, not in any way whatsoever. Lucasfilm is a privately held company, 'Star Wars' belongs to George Lucas, and no one else. George Lucas sells movies and merchandise, not stock in Lucasfilm. Everything you ever paid for has long since been delivered, he doesn't owe any of you anything. You do not "pay his salary", he does not work for you, he is a free man, an independant proprietor. His product is offered as a "take it or leave it" proposition, if you don't want it, then move along, he has never "forced" anybody to buy anything. He is under no obligation to sell anybody anything, much less serve individualized demands. If he decides today that he doesn't want to sell any more 'Star Wars', in any form, that is his privilege. If he only wants to sell his latest update to the product, that also is his privilege, and thereby implying malice against his "older" customers is paranoid at best. There is nothing sinister about how he chooses to do business, a businessman is entitled to expand his customer base by offering new products (the prequel trilogy, SE), offering new products is not an "attack" on the existing clientele, to perceive it as such is insane. It's not as if he is depriving you of something you depend on to survive. If you don't want his updates, you don't have to buy them, just as he doesn't have to sell you versions that he is no longer interested in producing; he is not your slave, and you are not his. It's nothing to get bent-out-of-shape about.

Anybody who can't accept all of this, is acting like a spoiled little child.

Have you read this thread? Who is claiming to "own" a piece of Star Wars?

Answer: No one.

Star Wars belongs to George Lucas?!?!? SERIOUSLY??? I DON'T OWN STAR WARS AND HE'S NOT FORCING ME TO BUY THIS?!?!

Honestly, everything you said was 100% common sense, a huge waste of time. Of course Lucas owns Star Wars.

People are saying the original trilogy is a hugely important part of film history, and they love watching them, so that makes it a shame he refuses to release them in high quality. It's one of the poll options.

And that the prequels are bad movies, although that goes without saying. Anyone with an ounce of good taste knows this. The guy who uses 3,000 smilies in every post proves this.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Have you read this thread? Who is claiming to "own" a piece of Star Wars?

Answer: No one.

Star Wars belongs to George Lucas?!?!? SERIOUSLY??? I DON'T OWN STAR WARS AND HE'S NOT FORCING ME TO BUY THIS?!?!

Honestly, everything you said was 100% common sense, a huge waste of time. Of course Lucas owns Star Wars.

People are saying the original trilogy is a hugely important part of film history, and they love watching them, so that makes it a shame he refuses to release them in high quality. It's one of the poll options.

And that the prequels are bad movies, although that goes without saying. Anyone with an ounce of good taste knows this. The guy who uses 3,000 smilies in every post proves this.

You certainly haven't read this thread, or else you wouldn't post this garbage (once again), because they actually say GL owes them...blah, blah, blah

Furthermore, you always forget to add one little thing: IMO

, and I don't think anyone on here gives a hell's bell what you think, as you are insanely arrogant, outrageously obnoxious, terribly immature, and dangerously intolerant.

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[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Have you read this thread? Who is claiming to "own" a piece of Star Wars?

Answer: No one.

Star Wars belongs to George Lucas?!?!? SERIOUSLY??? I DON'T OWN STAR WARS AND HE'S NOT FORCING ME TO BUY THIS?!?!

Honestly, everything you said was 100% common sense, a huge waste of time. Of course Lucas owns Star Wars.

People are saying the original trilogy is a hugely important part of film history, and they love watching them, so that makes it a shame he refuses to release them in high quality. It's one of the poll options.

And that the prequels are bad movies, although that goes without saying. Anyone with an ounce of good taste knows this. The guy who uses 3,000 smilies in every post proves this.

If you think nobody has been commenting from the premises I described, then clearly you are the one who has not read the thread...

... and if it is so self-evidently factual that the PT stinks, then why have you and others expended so much effort trying to pursuade people to that viewpoint?

I offer my co-sponsorship to Bluyoda's comment above regarding your character and "contribution" to the forum.