Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy

I've read this comment so many times, and it makes no sense! Have you seen the original cut? Instead of the dino-thing, it's an orange astromech droid passing through the shot. Either way, there was always something passing between the viewer and the actors.

The droid covers up maybe a quarter of the screen at any given moment while passing through the frame. I can still see what is going on behind it. That CGI creature literally covers the entire frame. Yes, the droid is distracting, but at least i can still see what the heck is going on. That makes ALOT of sense.

[Monkey_Boy]

Originally Posted by iamsometal

The droid covers up maybe a quarter of the screen at any given moment while passing through the frame. I can still see what is going on behind it. That CGI creature literally covers the entire frame. Yes, the droid is distracting, but at least i can still see what the heck is going on. That makes ALOT of sense.

I think a quarter would be a tad conservative; it's a big, orange pillar that spans from the top of the screen to the bottom and slowly skates by. The ronto (which I believe is the name of the creature) is bigger, but takes no more time to pass through the frame than the droid. The change has never been a big deal to me. I guess I can see how some may not like it, but it's so quick and doesn't extend or cut the scene in anyway. Guess I'm just one who can't stand changes like Han's head movement, the extended wampa sequence and the friggin' beak in the Sarlacc Pit. Those are my biggest (and pretty much only) gripes about the changes in the OT.

[STARKILLER--1138]

Originally Posted by gregmasciola

Judging by your posts, you don't seem to like the movies very much, so why do you bother watching them?

No, I like the movies just fine. 5 are great entertainment, and ESB is better than any pill made to make you sleep.

Originally Posted by mrpink134

[/B] I agree with you 100% I can tell by his post he was not raised watching the OT when it first came out. ESB is the best of the 6 movies and he must have bad taste in movies if he likes any PT over ESB. To me his post are nonsense and not worthy of reading.

You'd be wrong suzy. Why don't you go and crawl back underneath that rock before I spank you in this thread again.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Uxi

So you say.

Do you... ahem, I mean does your 4yo like the speeder-bike scene in Return of the Jedi?

Yes, so I say.... lol

She hasn't made it that far in Jedi. I liked it when I was younger, and don't mind it now. If you're trying to compare the two, however, you need to try harder. One took about 20 minutes of screen time, including the build-up and aftermath. The other took about 3.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Beast

Princess Leia: Luke, what's wrong?
Luke: Leia, do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
Princess Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.
Luke: What do you remember?
Princess Leia: Just... images really. Feelings.
Luke: Tell me.
Princess Leia: She was... very beautiful. Kind, but sad. Why are you asking me this?
Luke: I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her.

Yoda: Through the force, things you will see. Other places. The future, the past, old friends long gone.

Also note that Leia's eyes are wide open when she's born. And she's very alert when shown to Padme. Where as Luke's eyes are closed and he's not alert. Also, Leia certainly seemed to have a natural affinity for the force... such as being able to resist the mind probes during her torture.

Well, wouldn't Anakin want to pass such a thing onto his son.... if Obi-Wan's "Certain Point Of View" facts actually accurate. And is your main complaint that we didn't see Owen not wanting Luke to have the Saber? Why is that even important. We've already seen Owen's feelings about Obi-Wan and the worry that Luke is much like his father. Plus in the prequels, we see why Owen might have issues with the Jedi.

It's not an issue regardless. Not when you have established canon that explains it.

But it makes since in the Universe, given the fact that more pride and artistry were put into things back in the day. And once the Empire takes power, everything becomes industrialized and things are just churned out without any thought given the beauty of the design. Happened in real life also. Look at the art deco period, where even coffee pots had a flowing arty design. Or even cars, how they went from elaborate and artistic designs to designs that look like a metal box that's nothing more than stamped out on an assembly line with no love.

I've seen the movies to know what Leia says; I don't need it repeated to me. The fact is, her dialogue necessarily implies that she knew her mother. Yes, I know some people buy into the post hoc analysis which is "her eyes were open! she clearly knew her mother!!" I have no problem if you're one of them, it's just illogical. I don't care what her midichlorian count is.

Regarding Luke/Ben/Anakin's lightsaber, the dialogue again necessarily implies that Ben and Anakin discussed the lightsaber and that Anakin wanted his son, Luke, to have it. Your question "why wouldn't he want him to have it?" is irrelevant, but obviously as shown in the movies, he didn't even know he had a kid, so how would he possibly get to make that decision?

If you think that we have "established canon" for that, so be it. I guess I slept through that part of the prequels where Anakin met his son, then told Ben he wanted Luke to have his lightsaber, all before Ben killed him.

You don't have problems with what I see are inconsistencies, and that's fine. I'm not trying to convince you to see my point (unlike what you're trying to do). I do think it's funny, however, that some Star Wars fans have an answer for everything, no matter how many twists and turns are required to get that answer. Of course, Lucas provided such fans with an out for everything: the whole "certain point of view" thing.

As for the dramatic and expeditious decline in technology, etc., I know, I know. I hear the same line from every Star Wars fan who has an answer for everything.

[iamsometal]

Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy

I think a quarter would be a tad conservative; it's a big, orange pillar that spans from the top of the screen to the bottom and slowly skates by. The ronto (which I believe is the name of the creature) is bigger, but takes no more time to pass through the frame than the droid. The change has never been a big deal to me. I guess I can see how some may not like it, but it's so quick and doesn't extend or cut the scene in anyway. Guess I'm just one who can't stand changes like Han's head movement, the extended wampa sequence and the friggin' beak in the Sarlacc Pit. Those are my biggest (and pretty much only) gripes about the changes in the OT.

Ok, so 1/3 of the screen maybe. Compared to, i dunno, 98% of the screen? Just look at the point when the ronto hits the middle of the screen, compared to where the droid hits the same mark. All i'm saying is that the ronto is infinitely more distracting, as it covers nearly the entire screen.

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This is actually one of my smaller complaints about the SE's. I totally agree with you that the worst part about them is Han not shooting first and his head moving. I may get a "HAN SHOT FIRST" tattoo LOL. The extended Wampa scene is dreadful, the beaked Sarlac enrages me, the music number in ROTJ gets skipped every time i watch it, and any time Hayden Christiansen is inserted into the frame of ROTJ also gets skipped. I also hate the altered Emperor footage in ESB. Those are the most blatant offenses, but there are just too many to list.

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[Jay444]

[QUOTE=P@t_Mtl;4393997]The problem is that for most people this simple concept seem very hard to understand. They say it's their rights to demand it but then get real upset when it's mention that Lucas as the rights to not provide it if he so wish it. Rights are not a one way street, something that a lot of people also have a hard time understanding in this day and age. They start calling him a hack and a money grabber and the devil and lot's of other nice colorful things that have been mention so often there is just no need to mention them again. What I do find funny is that most of these people are in the age group 30-40+ like myself growing up in the days of the originals but seem to show a total lack of maturity on the subjects of rights. It's all about MY RIGHTS NOW and what they want and just refuse to see that Lucas as the rights to do as he wish as well. Kids have that type of attitude. I would except adults to be able to be more rational and see things more clearly.QUOTE]

Rights are one thing, but art is something else. We all clearly see this as a 'product' issue, but you can look at it as an 'art' issue as well (which is WHY things get so heated). Let's just say Da Vinci didn't go back and paint eyebrows on the Mona Lisa and call it a 'special edition.' When Star Wars was put into the National Film Registry it was not the 'Special Edition' it was the original piece of art. People want to see the original the way it was when it was first produced to share the experience of what a true piece of art it was.

The Special Editions are fine imo ('cept that whole Greedo issue, and I am NOT a fan of ruined pacing at the end of Empire, but everything else is just fine). For example, Blade Runner, the Alien films, Lord of the Rings Trilogy; those artists offered the fans the chance to see their art as it was originally produced. Because they are just that, artists. Lucas has become much more of a corperate entity. So, he is out of touch with his fan base in a way that James Cameron, Ridely Scott, and others are not (say what you want about Cameron but he has ALWAYS offered fans plenty of options with his films and you can still see the original verisons). That is the issue. Lucas isn't an artist anymore, but more of a CEO of a huge empire.

Basically what I am saying is a lot of hard work went into the making of the OT. Redoing special effects and not offering the original pieces is a diservice to the artists whom worked so damned hard to make it look great back in the day.

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[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Scenes I want to see in HD -


Luke staring out at the Tattooine horizon as the two suns begin to set

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[Beast]

Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy

I think a quarter would be a tad conservative; it's a big, orange pillar that spans from the top of the screen to the bottom and slowly skates by. The ronto (which I believe is the name of the creature) is bigger, but takes no more time to pass through the frame than the droid. The change has never been a big deal to me. I guess I can see how some may not like it, but it's so quick and doesn't extend or cut the scene in anyway. Guess I'm just one who can't stand changes like Han's head movement, the extended wampa sequence and the friggin' beak in the Sarlacc Pit. Those are my biggest (and pretty much only) gripes about the changes in the OT.

Dewback, actually. The Rontos are the big long-necked thing the Jawas are riding in Mos Eisley.

I can understand not liking the Wampa stuff and the Sarlaac's beak. But for me, I liked the changes. Especially when you consider the original Wampa suit looked so bad they had to creatively cut around it as much as possible. And the Sarlaac lacked any real menace without some form of mouth. It was just a big hole that looked like the female sex with a couple of tentacles before. Both changes were improvements in my eyes.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Beast

I can understand not liking the Wampa stuff and the Sarlaac's beak. But for me, I liked the changes. Especially when you consider the original Wampa suit looked so bad they had to creatively cut around it as much as possible. And the Sarlaac lacked any real menace without some form of mouth. It was just a big hole that looked like the female sex with a couple of tentacles before. Both changes were improvements in my eyes.

I agree.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Beast

Dewback, actually. The Rontos are the big long-necked thing the Jawas are riding in Mos Eisley.

I can understand not liking the Wampa stuff and the Sarlaac's beak. But for me, I liked the changes. Especially when you consider the original Wampa suit looked so bad they had to creatively cut around it as much as possible. And the Sarlaac lacked any real menace without some form of mouth. It was just a big hole that looked like the female sex with a couple of tentacles before. Both changes were improvements in my eyes.

Not only that, they had to excise an entire plotline because of it. As I'm sure a lot of us nerds know, there were supposed to be wampas in the Hoth base attacking the Rebels, and later contained in a room. Once the Stormtroopers arrive, they open the door (because C-3P0 tore off a "Danger Wampa" sign or something), and they're attacked by the wampas.

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(By the way, I don't really care for Jar Jar, but I find it funny how seriously people take their Jar Jar hatred.)

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Bluyoda

I tried to wait (have not seen the DVD's in maybe 2-3 years) but after watching the Clone Wars Season 2 (on blu of course) my kids begged to see episodes 1-3. We watched them over a few weeks and now are on ep 4 ANH.

It's funny seeing all the comments here on this thread. Both OT and PT have awesome, fun/cool parts, and both have hokey silly parts. I find them amusing and I don't worry about continuity, etc. I just enjoy them for what they are.

They are STAR WARS.

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

How many of you are waiting for the Blu-ray set to watch the Saga again?

I certainly am.

I tried to watch TPM again, but the PQ is so awful that it's impossible to watch.
I think that could be the reason why some of you can't stomach it anymore.
We have gotten used to the infinitely superior quality of BD.

I am waiting patiently until they are released on BD.

I am working on my CD which is due to come out this summer, so the SW saga on BD will be my reward.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

(By the way, I don't really care for Jar Jar, but I find it funny how seriously people take their Jar Jar hatred.)

Those pictures are awesome! They should do one where Jabba grabs him and eats him like those small creatures he thinks are so tasty.

As for the Wampa scene, I don't mind the new scene at all. But I love the original as it terrified me as a kid! They didn't show the whole thing, just it's lower body as it walked right? It really made you feel like Luke had no time as it could have been anywhere.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

As for the Wampa scene, I don't mind the new scene at all. But I love the original as it terrified me as a kid! They didn't show the whole thing, just it's lower body as it walked right? It really made you feel like Luke had no time as it could have been anywhere.

I'm with you - I don't mind the addition, but I loved the original as a kid.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

How many of you are waiting for the Blu-ray set to watch the Saga again?

I certainly am.

I tried to watch TPM again, but the PQ is so awful that it's impossible to watch.
I think that could be the reason why some of you can't stomach it anymore.
We have gotten used to the infinitely superior quality of BD.

I am waiting patiently until they are released on BD.

I am working on my CD which is due to come out this summer, so the SW saga on BD will be my reward.

I watched ANH and ESB this weekend while I checked out the awesome fan docs on YouTube. My daughter then wanted to watch TPM, so we put that in and took it out after about an hour. You're right that the PQ isn't great.

I'll probably watch them all once before the BDs are released. I typically only watch them once a year, if that, anyway.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Rights are one thing, but art is something else. We all clearly see this as a 'product' issue, but you can look at it as an 'art' issue as well (which is WHY things get so heated). Let's just say Da Vinci didn't go back and paint eyebrows on the Mona Lisa and call it a 'special edition.' When Star Wars was put into the National Film Registry it was not the 'Special Edition' it was the original piece of art. People want to see the original the way it was when it was first produced to share the experience of what a true piece of art it was.

The Special Editions are fine imo ('cept that whole Greedo issue, and I am NOT a fan of ruined pacing at the end of Empire, but everything else is just fine). For example, Blade Runner, the Alien films, Lord of the Rings Trilogy; those artists offered the fans the chance to see their art as it was originally produced. Because they are just that, artists. Lucas has become much more of a corperate entity. So, he is out of touch with his fan base in a way that James Cameron, Ridely Scott, and others are not (say what you want about Cameron but he has ALWAYS offered fans plenty of options with his films and you can still see the original verisons). That is the issue. Lucas isn't an artist anymore, but more of a CEO of a huge empire.

Basically what I am saying is a lot of hard work went into the making of the OT. Redoing special effects and not offering the original pieces is a diservice to the artists whom worked so damned hard to make it look great back in the day.

I can see your point and I appreciate the effort that went into the effects of the time. However, if cleaning them up makes the film look better then as a fan I am all for it. I still think they should include all versions of every film. They've done that with many blu-ray sets. Look at the Alien Anthology - even though I hate the 3rd and 4th films I have to give them credit that they did NOT fock around with this set. It is the defacto, ultimate edition of the Alien films. You cannot get better or get more. Each film, each version, tons of extras, etc, etc.

That is the RIGHT way to release a true Box set. As an example of what NOT to do: LOTR screwed up when they didnt just releases a 6 or 7 disc mega set last time around. Dumb.