Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[happydood]

Originally Posted by Hatter

You make it sound like people wanted the prequel trilogy to fail. Do you not remember the insane hype and starting the whole must camp outside for weeks to watch a movie first craze? People wanted it to suceed but the product was not as good.



This.

"Stockholm Syndrome." Really?!

I get people's disappointment with The Prequels. I really do. I like them a lot for what they are. This belittling attitude to people because they like a movie is really unfounded. You don't know what that person's taste is. You don't know what other things they like or whether this is a guilty pleasure or whether they acknowledge all the flaws and like it anyway. You simply don't know what another person is thinking. All you have to go on is what they say, but beyond that assumptions are only projections. Insulting people or worse, condescending to them under the assumption that they are ignorant or sick and can't make reasonable judgments for themselves is the worst kind of elitism. And I WILL assume that you'd rather not come across like that. Ask yourself: would you say the things you type to a person's face? If not, then it's probably not worth typing.

[KubrickFan]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden

+1
How many times did people watch Episode I in theaters? I saw it 6 times attempting to hope for the best. But when the dust settled we were left on the podrace track like so much bantha poodoo.

But by then George already had your money .

[Shallow_]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden

+1
How many times did people watch Episode I in theaters? I saw it 6 times attempting to hope for the best. But when the dust settled we were left on the podrace track like so much bantha poodoo.

5 times for Phantom, 6 times for Clones and 7 times for Revenge.. upped it one each time.

I just had a Clerks 2 flashback

[Uxi]

hmm my Amazon order still says not yet shipped. Est. delivery on the 16th. I try to see the details and get an error. Was thinking of changing the shipping address to my work, but can't get in the order right now. Maybe I feel a sick day coming on.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by TylerDurden

+1
How many times did people watch Episode I in theaters? I saw it 6 times attempting to hope for the best. But when the dust settled we were left on the podrace track like so much bantha poodoo.

lol that's sarcasm right?

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

Forget it. They don't want to get it. They just blindly hate everything Lucas did after 1997 and they will never stop to dismiss and insult his work against any logic and common sense. Many people don't recognize the prequels as equal movies to the old ones or the saga to be watched in sequence. To them the trilogies aren't two equal pillars that stand side by side. They want to squeeze the PT in a marginal space as some kind of expanded universe afterbirth to the OT. Sadly they will never see the beautiful structure of the saga with all its references and mirror imagery. Just let go and be glad that you can actually enjoy the movies.

1. Many people are using plenty of well-reasoned arguments to explain why they don't like the various changes, tinkering, etc. but you are refusing to listen to them or even accept that they have their own POV. You just dismiss it as "mindless hating/bashing" and don't have anything substantive to say to address it except cheerleading everything "GL" does like he's infallible and above reproach. If anyone is poisoning the well in this discussion, I think it's easy to see who it is.

2. Many people don't recognize the prequels as equal movies because, in their mind/view/opinion, they aren't. Just because something is a "trilogy" does not make it all the same quality. Spider-Man 3. X:Men: The Last Stand. The Godfather III. Lost Boys 3: The Thirst. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, because it doesn't seem like you even read it, but enjoying one thing does not automatically mean enjoying another just because it's part of the same "saga", whatever that nonsense means. People have least-favorite Harry Potter or Twilight books, it doesn't mean they tear up their Fan Club Card and start picketing just because they don't see everything as arbitrarily equal just by merit of existing. That sounds strangely like some form of socialism to me. You MUST like this because you like this! Nope. Last I checked it doesn't work that way and people are free to have preferences based on their own likes and dislikes.

3. The PT IS an expanded afterbirth of the original trilogy. It came out over 20 years later, lest ye forget, and there was obviously a reason The Mighty Infallible Do-No-Wrong Bearded Overlord George Lucas decided to release A New Hope in 1977 and not The Phantom Menace. You act like watching these movies in the order they were released is some kind of affront to your religion. Did you just not even watch Star Wars until 2005, when the "whole story" was finally complete, because the original trilogy technically didn't exist, since it's all one 100% equal "sextology"? No, I'm guessing you just watched them in the order they were released. Seems pretty logical.

4. You've said it 100 times in this thread: "Let go" and enjoy the PT. Yes, I can agree that you'd need to absolutely "let go" to enjoy this "saga" 100% equally in 6 parts. If you can't "let go" of things like needing a story to have continuity, dramatic tension, character development etc. then you just might not enjoy the PT all that much. Personally I can't "let go" of the barometers I've used to measure quality all of my life, and while I don't HATE the PT, which is what you assert everyone who doesn't LOVE it must do, I don't think it is up to the OT's level of quality because I've seen them both and that's how I feel. Judging by popular opinion on every outlet of the internet and every discussion I have ever had with another flesh-and-blood person, this is the overwhelmingly popular stance on this, so if you're going to fight everyone's opinion every inch of the way, you have your work cut out for you.

Your staunchly, incredibly extremist stance of "LOVE ALL STAR WARS OR LOVE NONE OF IT" is the most limiting, arbitrary, senseless reasoning and most meaningless measuring stick in this entire discussion, and I think I don't just speak for myself when I say STOP TRYING TO POLICE WHAT PEOPLE LIKE. You don't need to defend the PT every time it's mentioned, and you definitely don't need to go to the lengths that you're going to, with thinly-veiled insults to people who don't see things your way, or being willfully obtuse when someone tries to present you with a logical argument.

You don't see me trying to force my opinion on you or make offhand remarks to people replying to you, dismissing your opinion as some kind of delusional fever dream. You like them all, awesome. Nobody is trying to stop you.

Take a chapter from that book, and LET US BE.

Thanks Shaft, I'm sure since you're an adult you can respect that and maybe contribute something to this discussion besides dismissing every single viewpoint you don't totally agree with. It's called compromise.

[Coov]

Well said!

[SDon1969]

Originally Posted by Uxi

hmm my Amazon order still says not yet shipped. Est. delivery on the 16th. I try to see the details and get an error. Was thinking of changing the shipping address to my work, but can't get in the order right now. Maybe I feel a sick day coming on.

I did that before and it was like placing a new order all over again, so it could delay shipping unless things have changed.

[svenge]

Originally Posted by happydood

"Stockholm Syndrome." Really?!

I get people's disappointment with The Prequels. I really do. I like them a lot for what they are. This belittling attitude to people because they like a movie is really unfounded. You don't know what that person's taste is. You don't know what other things they like or whether this is a guilty pleasure or whether they acknowledge all the flaws and like it anyway. You simply don't know what another person is thinking. All you have to go on is what they say, but beyond that assumptions are only projections. Insulting people or worse, condescending to them under the assumption that they are ignorant or sick and can't make reasonable judgments for themselves is the worst kind of elitism. And I WILL assume that you'd rather not come across like that. Ask yourself: would you say the things you type to a person's face? If not, then it's probably not worth typing.

I would say that to a person's face, for what it's worth. Unfortunately, my travel budget doesn't allow me to go to the houses of people from the Internet as Jay and Silent Bob did in their film...

[P@t_Mtl]

Is Amazon shipping late even for people with prime?

I am so glad I decided long ago I wasn't getting this set from Amazon but from a store.

Also for anyone else in Canada it seem Future Shop open's at 8 am and they have so goodies for the early birds that will purchase the full set. Not sure I plan on going a line up at 6 am but I sure plan to be there at 8 am

[DJ_NachoMan]

Originally Posted by shesha

Once again,

Has anyone in Los Angeles heard anything????????

What is this the 45th time you've posted this????? Nobody has heard anything and you will be getting your copy like everyone else in two days. Relax.

[DJ_NachoMan]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Is Amazon shipping late even for people with prime?

I am so glad I decided long ago I wasn't getting this set from Amazon but from a store.

Also for anyone else in Canada it seem Future Shop open's at 8 am and they have so goodies for the early birds that will purchase the full set. Not sure I plan on going a line up at 6 am but I sure plan to be there at 8 am

I got work at 8 but my local Futureshop is also opening early with all the extra goodies. I will pick it up around lunch time. Hopefully the lines will have died down from that point.

[Bukax42]

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[happydood]

What El Jay said is very reasonable. Truth is never black and white and 'all or nothing' and nobody in life is ever going to get to a point in this thread or anywhere else where we can dust ourselves off and say 'Ah ha. That's settled then."

Having said that, technically "The Empire Strikes Back" is 'afterbirth' and was treated as such for a long time before it was considered a classic.

[Uxi]

TESB doesn't stand on it's own and has been overrated by nostalgic fans for a long time.

All 6 are roughly equivalent popcorn action/adventure flicks which shouldn't be taken too seriously.

[KubrickFan]

Oh, by the way, Lucas redid the Han vs. Greedo again:

Han Shot Last - YouTube

Looks much better to me .

[Hatter]

Originally Posted by svenge

I would say that to a person's face, for what it's worth. Unfortunately, my travel budget doesn't allow me to go to the houses of people from the Internet a-la Jay and Silent Bob...

That was also directed at me, so to save time, this verbatim though I'm probably not celever enough to come up with Stockholm syndrome on the spot. Would have said something harsher probably.

[Adrock]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Oh, by the way, Lucas redid the Han vs. Greedo again:

Han Shot Last - YouTube

Looks much better to me .

That's pretty funny.

[MrJoeKalel]

Originally Posted by happydood

"Stockholm Syndrome." Really?!

I get people's disappointment with The Prequels. I really do. I like them a lot for what they are. This belittling attitude to people because they like a movie is really unfounded. You don't know what that person's taste is. You don't know what other things they like or whether this is a guilty pleasure or whether they acknowledge all the flaws and like it anyway. You simply don't know what another person is thinking. All you have to go on is what they say, but beyond that assumptions are only projections. Insulting people or worse, condescending to them under the assumption that they are ignorant or sick and can't make reasonable judgments for themselves is the worst kind of elitism. And I WILL assume that you'd rather not come across like that. Ask yourself: would you say the things you type to a person's face? If not, then it's probably not worth typing.

Originally Posted by El_Jay

[Show spoiler]1. Many people are using plenty of well-reasoned arguments to explain why they don't like the various changes, tinkering, etc. but you are refusing to listen to them or even accept that they have their own POV. You just dismiss it as "mindless hating/bashing" and don't have anything substantive to say to address it except cheerleading everything "GL" does like he's infallible and above reproach. If anyone is poisoning the well in this discussion, I think it's easy to see who it is.

2. Many people don't recognize the prequels as equal movies because, in their mind/view/opinion, they aren't. Just because something is a "trilogy" does not make it all the same quality. Spider-Man 3. X:Men: The Last Stand. The Godfather III. Lost Boys 3: The Thirst. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this, because it doesn't seem like you even read it, but enjoying one thing does not automatically mean enjoying another just because it's part of the same "saga", whatever that nonsense means. People have least-favorite Harry Potter or Twilight books, it doesn't mean they tear up their Fan Club Card and start picketing just because they don't see everything as arbitrarily equal just by merit of existing. That sounds strangely like some form of socialism to me. You MUST like this because you like this! Nope. Last I checked it doesn't work that way and people are free to have preferences based on their own likes and dislikes.

3. The PT IS an expanded afterbirth of the original trilogy. It came out over 20 years later, lest ye forget, and there was obviously a reason The Mighty Infallible Do-No-Wrong Bearded Overlord George Lucas decided to release A New Hope in 1977 and not The Phantom Menace. You act like watching these movies in the order they were released is some kind of affront to your religion. Did you just not even watch Star Wars until 2005, when the "whole story" was finally complete, because the original trilogy technically didn't exist, since it's all one 100% equal "sextology"? No, I'm guessing you just watched them in the order they were released. Seems pretty logical.

4. You've said it 100 times in this thread: "Let go" and enjoy the PT. Yes, I can agree that you'd need to absolutely "let go" to enjoy this "saga" 100% equally in 6 parts. If you can't "let go" of things like needing a story to have continuity, dramatic tension, character development etc. then you just might not enjoy the PT all that much. Personally I can't "let go" of the barometers I've used to measure quality all of my life, and while I don't HATE the PT, which is what you assert everyone who doesn't LOVE it must do, I don't think it is up to the OT's level of quality because I've seen them both and that's how I feel. Judging by popular opinion on every outlet of the internet and every discussion I have ever had with another flesh-and-blood person, this is the overwhelmingly popular stance on this, so if you're going to fight everyone's opinion every inch of the way, you have your work cut out for you.

Your staunchly, incredibly extremist stance of "LOVE ALL STAR WARS OR LOVE NONE OF IT" is the most limiting, arbitrary, senseless reasoning and most meaningless measuring stick in this entire discussion, and I think I don't just speak for myself when I say STOP TRYING TO POLICE WHAT PEOPLE LIKE. You don't need to defend the PT every time it's mentioned, and you definitely don't need to go to the lengths that you're going to, with thinly-veiled insults to people who don't see things your way, or being willfully obtuse when someone tries to present you with a logical argument.

You don't see me trying to force my opinion on you or make offhand remarks to people replying to you, dismissing your opinion as some kind of delusional fever dream. You like them all, awesome. Nobody is trying to stop you.

Take a chapter from that book, and LET US BE.

Thanks Shaft, I'm sure since you're an adult you can respect that and maybe contribute something to this discussion besides dismissing every single viewpoint you don't totally agree with. It's called compromise.

Well said bro! We all listen (well, read) everybody's opinions in the forum, and I like to say that for the most part, we all treat each other with respect. Yes, we all have different tastes and guilty pleasures (hey, I LOVE Superman IV hehe), but you cannot be an adult, stubborn and act like a child: "Mommy, he doesn't like my toy! Make him like it!" or "Mommy, he has to let me play with his toys!"...uhm, seriously, we are above that level.

Again, if I decide to watch the movies in the order I want, well, it's my thing, that's how things flow better IMO for me. After all, being honest, if GL had decided to make the rest of his films the way IV or V were made (more mature and realistic), he would've had the BEST saga in history of cinema. Just sayin'.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Oh, by the way, Lucas redid the Han vs. Greedo again:

Han Shot Last - YouTube

Looks much better to me .

Funny I love it Lucas should do this.

But I really love the part saying countless re-releases at the start, yeah! there as been so many releases since 1997 it's horrible! Seriously I am starting to think that many of these bozos on the Internet have lost touch with reality