The rumor is that Warner is coming aboard soon

[cking2729]

Originally Posted by The Don

they are PROBABLY being paid handsomely by MS...

why else would you dangle your movies out there in high def?

I mean, the majority of their movies are half assed in regards to compression, so I guess they figure to let people get the watered down HD versions until they use BD+

Well we all know Paramount/Dreamworks was handsomly paid, but Universal has been ridiculously outspoken about how they want everything DRM free. Hence their outspoken support of M$, M$'s upcoming HD download service, and HD-DuD. This is also what their recent squabble with Apple/iTunes was all about. Graffeo explicity said back in 05 or so, that "managed copying" and DRM free stuff was the way their company wanted to go strategically. He also used HD-DVD's "size advantage" of 30 GB at the time as another reason for their exclusive HD-DuD support.....And we all know how that has worked out for them

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2007/12/...ood-loses.html

Is this site credible at all? I never heard of them before. Did they just read the business week article and write the same thing? Or are they truly insiders?

I have never heard of them before so I feel no real need to give it any real weight.
Always nice to read though but in my opinion no different than any other analyst supporting either side.

[cking2729]

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

I have never heard of them before so I feel no real need to give it any real weight.
Always nice to read though but in my opinion no different than any other analyst supporting either side.

Clearly the people that read this blog aren't the brightest, either....

"David, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I've been to CES the past two years and I've seen the biggest, bestest, etc displays the CE guys have to offer. Maybe my eyes aren't sharp enough, but I can't see an enormous difference between the next-gen DVDs and regular DVDs when they're on a really nice screen."

And none other than Deadmeat made a post on the same blog with his "All indications point to Warner dropping Blu-Ray for HD-DVD(their co-creation)."

[spicynacho]

Originally Posted by cking2729

Well we all know Paramount/Dreamworks was handsomly paid, but Universal has been ridiculously outspoken about how they want everything DRM free.

They must have perfected the frivelous IP lawsuit against grandmothers.

[JimSD]

Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

I have never heard of them before so I feel no real need to give it any real weight.
Always nice to read though but in my opinion no different than any other analyst supporting either side.

I looked on the 'About' part of their website and the guy (Peter Kafka) who wrote the little blurb about Blu-ray winning is a Senior Editor at Forbes.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by JimSD

I looked on the 'About' part of their website and the guy (Peter Kafka) who wrote the little blurb about Blu-ray winning is a Senior Editor at Forbes.

Sounds credible to me

[Paden]

Sorry, I've actually got nothing to say but I just want to see this thread get to 1,000 posts ASAP. Thanks...

[mystiksuicide]

Originally Posted by JimSD

I looked on the 'About' part of their website and the guy (Peter Kafka) who wrote the little blurb about Blu-ray winning is a Senior Editor at Forbes.

Well I am no market analyst but id say senior editor at Forbes does carry some prestige.

[BadAss]

Originally Posted by Paden

Sorry, I've actually got nothing to say but I just want to see this thread get to 1,000 posts ASAP. Thanks...

....or your post count pass 100.

[DaViD Boulet]

PM was mum on the other rumors...this time he at least confirmed there was a rumor and seemed to waste no time expressing that..

Yes, but things can change. Unless a deal has been *signed*, WB has no obligations to the BDA and could do whatever they wanted during/after CES despite whatever hand-shake conversations they are having now with BDA members.

It's up to consumers to keep BD looking like a sales-advantage for WB in addition to whatever back-door deals are being negotiated.

[Neo65]

Is Rich Greenfield an activist analyst for the research arm of Pali Capital? If so, he has been covering TWX for a long time. Supposedly, Rich was one of the hounds asking for Dick Parson's exit from TWX.

So, if googled articles are anything to go by, Rich knows his TWX.

Has Jeff Bewkes said anything about the HDM. This is likely not high on his list, but has he publicly said anything on blu-ray?

Still, you'd think WB wants to control the timing of this, and not have these leaks make life difficult for everyone.

Don't forget there's also the hd dvd hail mary play, where green suitcases can still show up.

[CptGreedle]

With all the hype lately about Blu-ray, it looks like this week Blu-ray is on the lips of everyone. Analysts claiming Blu-ray wins in 2008, statistics showing the lead Blu-ray has, the move WB could make, etc...
It looks like the people are really beginning to like Blu-ray, and I am sure that WB sees this too.
As for those brining up Disney, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY WOULD GO NEUTRAL!?!?! Disney has NEVER even remotely said anything like they were thinking of going neutral, they never did anything to make one think they were interested in it.. it is all pure HD DVD FUD. Disney loves Blu-ray, it has made them a lot of money especially with the PotC movies and Pixar as well. Also their Disney Blu-ray Magical Tour, their ads pointing out how well Blu-ray is doing, their announcements saying how much they love Blu-ray...
Disney is as Blu as you can get.

[zipbags]

You would think that the BDA would have signed some sort of deal with Warner before allowing the Lionsgate VC to make his comments. Since it wouldn't matter what HD-dvd did.


Funny, you check some other forums and you would either think nothing is up or HD-dvd is going to win.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by zipbags

You would think that the BDA would have signed some sort of deal with Warner before allowing the Lionsgate VC to make his comments. Since it wouldn't matter what HD-dvd did.


Funny, you check some other forums and you would either think nothing is up or HD-dvd is going to win.

Whats to say they haven't?

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by zipbags

You would think that the BDA would have signed some sort of deal with Warner before allowing the Lionsgate VC to make his comments. Since it wouldn't matter what HD-dvd did.

I'm wondering if they haven't already...

Originally Posted by zipbags

Funny, you check some other forums and you would either think nothing is up or HD-dvd is going to win.

It is, didn't you know?!

~Alan

[OokieSpookie]

Originally Posted by zipbags

You would think that the BDA would have signed some sort of deal with Warner before allowing the Lionsgate VC to make his comments. Since it wouldn't matter what HD-dvd did.


Funny, you check some other forums and you would either think nothing is up or HD-dvd is going to win.

Nobody allowed him to say it, and from what was said it caused alot of stress behind the scenes.
But again I think what speaks loudest right now is the fact that WB has not come out to deny it as they have in the past when rumors hit about them.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

Yes, but things can change. Unless a deal has been *signed*, WB has no obligations to the BDA and could do whatever they wanted during/after CES despite whatever hand-shake conversations they are having now with BDA members.

It's up to consumers to keep BD looking like a sales-advantage for WB in addition to whatever back-door deals are being negotiated.

I am fully aware of all of this...as was said in my previous posts...

I wasn't one of the people going nuts over the previous rumors...

this one has some legs...so it puts a smile on my face for the time being...

[sparksj]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

As for those brining up Disney, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY WOULD GO NEUTRAL!?!?! Disney has NEVER even remotely said anything like they were thinking of going neutral, they never did anything to make one think they were interested in it.. it is all pure HD DVD FUD. Disney loves Blu-ray. Disney is as Blu as you can get.

Don't fool yourself. Disney loves money.... If the HD DVD sales were high enough to make up for the cost of creating the line and still bring them, profit, they would likely go neutral. Their first loyalty is to their stock holders, not Blu Ray.

Not to worry though, sales are so low compared to DVD that It's not like that they would recoup the cost of setting up an HD DVD line. Although, a combo disney disk would be powerful since most of the kiddies wouldn't have a HD player in their rooms yet.

Also, just because someone mentions this as a "remote" possibility, please don't invoke the FUD title on them. All of this thread is speculation at the moment based on rumor. I think it's good to look at all possibilities regardless of how remote they are. I wasn't thowing out FUD, I was just asking the question, which I think is a valid concern.

[dialog_gvf]

Deadmeat's back, and pushing his lies

Deadmeat said: December 10, 2007 3:22 PM

This is nothing more than a repeat of errorous BusinessWeek report.

Longer it drags out, worse it becomes for BDA because of immeidiate arrival of $99~149 Chinese HD-DVD players 2q2008. The first wave of Chinese HD-DVD players is already here, in the form of Venturer SHD7000 and Toshiba HD-A3(A rebadged Chinese player), and Toshiba HD-A3 already its damage to BDA, outselling all of Blu-Ray players combined by the factor of 2:1 during Black Friday and increasing its installed base lead to 550K vs 200K in the US.

The tone of Warner comments hint that they are in fact dropping Blu-Ray, not HD-DVD which is actually Warner's own baby.

[Terjyn]

How big would the bribe have to be for them to give up (essentially) all copy protection?