120Hz suck?

[grafpt]

I could not find a thread on discussion of opinions on 120Hz tvs...anyways,
I was in best buy a week or so ago looking for a new TV, I sat in their little super-high-def section and watched clips from some blu rays. It was all dandy until i noticed the frame rate being very smooth and "un-movie like" in my opinion. Up until this point id never watch anything on a 120Hz+ TV and wasnt ever sure the huge difference (beside making MSNBC lovers happy by making scrolling text sharper :P) So i guess I would like to know, Who Likes this? I think its horrible. Feature films mostly look they way they do bc they run at 24fps and that give its that "movie look" why take that away by increasing frame rate? reminds me of the pan'n'scan fullframes from vhs/ early dvd releases lol

[Jcole20323]

Its not the 120hz that makes the picture like that. Its the smoothing effect that u can choose to turn on or off on your tv. Usually you can choose from high, low or off. Im pretty sure all 120hz tvs are capable at running blu rays at 24fps. My tv is 120hz and I turn the smoothing effect off and Blu rays look awesome. a lot of 120hz tvs do 24fps more accurately because they use 5:5 pulldown as opposed to 3:2 like most 60hz tvs. There is a thread called 120hz vs 60hz. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ght=120hz+60hz.

[Rob J in WNY]

grafpt,

You are new here, so we'll go easy on you.

First off, welcome to the forums.

Now, it's time for you learn three basic truths about 120Hz LCD TVs.

First, the "un-movie like" motion you see is not because of the 120Hz TV in of itself, but because of the "frame interpolation" feature being turned on. This feature, which goes by different names with different manufacturers (Sony calls it "MotionFlow" for instance), can be shut off for natural motion.

Second, the 120Hz screen refresh rate CANNOT be turned off. It is always running, and is inherent to the operation of the TV. With frame interpolation feature turned off, you will get the more natural film motion you, and many others, prefer.

Third, there is a very high advantage of 120Hz LCD TVs. This is in that refreshing the screen 120 times per second allows for smooth, even "pulldown" of various video sources. 30 frames-per-second video comes in at an even 4:4 pulldown. 60fps comes in at 2:2 and 24fps (such as Blu-ray movies) comes in at 5:5 pulldown. Standard 60Hz TVs must do perform an uneven 3:2 pulldown which can incite increased motion "judder." 120Hz TVs cover all the bases and allow for smooth, natural video motion.

There ya go! Enjoy the forums. There's a lot to be learned and there are some really knowledgeable people on here who can answer just about any question you have, from the technology of Blu-ray to movie knowledge!

[grafpt]

thx a lot for Jcole for forum link and Thx Rob for insight on that. I was very confused when the "surprisingly knowledgeable" best buy employee told me the TV is sort of creating its own frames lol

[sokrman14]

I think its an awful gimmick to smooth the picture. A good TV with a good video processor will look just fine w/o 120Hz. That is why I don't see why people think LCD is better than plasma. 120Hz is an attempt to make LCD comparable to plasma, but it still doesnt even do that.

[Jcole20323]

Ha yeah whenever I am in Best Buy looking at tvs and one of the "tv experts" walks up to me I tell them to take a hike.

[TRIGON]

Grafpt,

While 120 hz does improve "motion blurring" its benefits vary depending on who you talk to. Personally I like it but it wasnt a "deal breaker" for me when i bought my LCD. At the time the increase in cost was around $200 and i just couldnt justify it. Now a days it seems its becoming standard in all LCD's. My TV uses some type of 24p True cinema mode that supposedly converts the refresh rate to 48hz (instead of 60) so the images are smoother. I'm not really sure if this is Sony BS or what , but I have had this TV for 1 1/2 years and have yet to encounter much motion blurring at all. I have seen other LCD's in stores (including Sony's) that the blurring was pretty awful. I guess it depends on the model/type. There is a "smooth motion" setting that others have mentioned that can usually be turned off. My recommendation would be to try out as many tv's as possible and find the one you like the best. Try not to listen to a lot of the trash talk out there about what you "must get" and pick one your really happy with... good luck..

[Hep]

Originally Posted by Rob J in WNY

Now, it's time for you learn three basic truths about 120Hz LCD TVs...

Those are the truths of 120 Hz, it's a win-win, and I commend you on such a succinct explanation.

[crazyBLUE]

I have had my 120Hz LCD for over A year & could not be Happier !

[ryoohki]

I also like 4:4 effect on my AE3000 it's not 120, it 96hz tought... but the processing is really good. I can choose OFF, 1 or 2 (1 being 2 frame, 2 being 4 frame)...

[SDBlu]

Originally Posted by crazyBLUE

I have had my 120Hz LCD for over A year & could not be Happier !

+1

I love 120Hz. It is all just a matter of Personal Preference.

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by MarcosG

+1

I love 120Hz. It is all just a matter of Personal Preference.

I totally agree with you Marcos !

As with everything , Everyone will like something or not !

[crazyBLUE]

That is the second Vary well put post Rob

[Another_Dude]

Originally Posted by Rob J in WNY

grafpt,
Rob's Post

Thank you Rob, you saved me a bunch of typing.


My projector is 1080p/120hz. 120" screen.


It does 24p as natural as the theater. I can also watch live broadcast sports that look as smooth as fresh homemade whipped butter.


People should take the time to understand the technology before they start threads about how they don't like it.

[MattW]

I can't watch a tv or blue ray unless it's 120hz or 240hz anymore. It doesn't look right to me. When I first saw these t.v's I thought this ain't right, but now I find it much more life like. Like I'm looking through a window and I'M Part of what I'm watching. It's intoxicating.

[SDBlu]

Why do all the Plasma FANBOYS feel the need to come over to the LCD threads to stir the pot??? I think if people on here want to talk about plasmas they will go to that particular section...Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is why there is a LCD section and a PLASMA section, right?

It happens on almost every thread.

[Cpt_Dylan_Hunt]

Originally Posted by MarcosG

Why do all the Plasma FANBOYS feel the need to come over to the LCD threads to stir the pot??? I think if people on here want to talk about plasmas they will go to that particular section...Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is why there is a LCD section and a PLASMA section, right?

It happens on almost every thread.

Actually, if it's me you're referring to. I own two lcd's and only one plasma. If anything I think that makes me an LCD fanboy.

The title of this thread is "120hz suck?". And the point I am hinting at is, it only sucks when you compare a CCFL 120hz lcd to an equal priced plasma. So in that regard, yes it does "suck". Compared to a 60hz lcd, sure there is some benefits.

Like I said before, the LED backlight, does way more for improving LCD image quality than the jump from 60hz to 120hz did.

But if this thread is just for LCD fanboys and not real discussion, I will gladly leave you be.

[SDBlu]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Dylan_Hunt

Actually, if it's me you're referring to. I own two lcd's and only one plasma. If anything I think that makes me an LCD fanboy.

The title of this thread is "120hz suck?". And the point I am hinting at is, it only sucks when you compare a CCFL 120hz lcd to an equal priced plasma. So in that regard, yes it does "suck". Compared to a 60hz lcd, sure there is some benefits.

Like I said before, the LED backlight, does way more for improving LCD image quality than the jump from 60hz to 120hz did.

But if this thread is just for LCD fanboys and not real discussion, I will gladly leave you be.

First off, this topic =
Secondly, I have absolutely no issues with discussing the topic at hand "120 HZ" It just becomes annoying when people just start to throw the old "Plasmas are the best" or "Should just get Plasma".

An example of this also when someone comes to the "LCD" section asking for opinions on certain LCD displays. You always get those people that'll post their usual "Just get a KURO". how helpful is that