Fright Night (1985) (30th Anniversary Edition) (Limited Edition) - SOLD OUT

[StingingVelvet]

Looks nice in a normal case.

[luis figo]

Originally Posted by luis figo

What's going on in the background of that screenshot from the review?

It looks awful.

There's a screen cap from a review posted where the compression looks terrible on the 30th anniversary.

http://postimg.org/image/gzwmz3v2p/

[Movie Nut]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I am glad that there are reviewers out there who do harp on the technical aspects of a Blu-ray presentation, because they can help to ensure that we all ultimately get the best treatments of well-loved films.

I'll give you this point...within reason.

Originally Posted by Brett C

Some aren't as bothered as I am and that is fine, as someone who has both releases, I thought it was worth mentioning to those that would want to know. We are all big movie lovers and it is part of this home theater hobby to talk about and find the best releases of our favorite films.

Quite correct Brett. And I didn't mean to single anyone out.

Maybe I'm just having a bad day. And I'm older than most on here which probably changes my perspective as well. I guess what I am trying to say is this. I am old enough that I can remember only getting 3 or 4 channels on a little 13" television in my bedroom as a boy, and them all signing off around midnight after playing the Star Spangled Banner and going to a test pattern with the color bars until the following morning.

No cable TV, no computers, no VHS tapes, no DVDs, and certainly no streaming nor high definition Blu-rays. Not even imaginable to 99.9% of us at that time. And when VHS and later DVD finally did arrive they were extremely expensive. No average Joe could dream of building a collection 1/10th the size that many of us on here now have, even at the extremely low definition standard that was available at the time.

Now we have it all...in beautiful high definition...in abundance...at very reasonable prices. And I read thread after thread with people complaining about macroblocking, halo effects, edge enhancement, DNR, black crush, compression artifacts, etc., etc. ad infinitum. ARRRRGHH!!! Enough already!

It's perspective people. It really is. If those issues listed above are truly the greatest problems we encounter on a daily basis in our lives then things are pretty damn good aren't they? A little appreciation once in a while? A little perspective? That's all I'm saying.

And now...without further adieux...Movie Nut is signing off for the evening. And I wish you all peace, happiness, and good health to you and your families.

May your lives continue to be so blessed in all other areas that macroblocking is your greatest concern of the day.

[AKORIS]

Originally Posted by Movie Nut

I'll give you this point...within reason.



Quite correct Brett. And I didn't mean to single anyone out.

Maybe I'm just having a bad day. And I'm older than most on here which probably changes my perspective as well. I guess what I am trying to say is this. I am old enough that I can remember only getting 3 or 4 channels on a little 13" television in my bedroom as a boy, and them all signing off around midnight after playing the Star Spangled Banner and going to a test pattern with the color bars until the following morning.

No cable TV, no computers, no VHS tapes, no DVDs, and certainly no streaming nor high definition Blu-rays. Not even imaginable to 99.9% of us at that time. And when VHS and DVD finally did arrive they were extremely expensive. No average Joe could dream of building a collection 1/10th the size that many of us on here now have, even at the extremely low definition standard that was available at the time.

Now we have it all...in beautiful high definition...in abundance...at very reasonable prices. And I read thread after thread with people complaining about macroblocking, halo effects, edge enhancement, DNR, black crush, compression artifacts, etc., etc. ad infinitum. ARRRRGHH!!! Enough already!

It's perspective people. It really is. If those issues listed above are truly the greatest problems we encounter on a daily basis in our lives then things are pretty damn good aren't they? A little appreciation once in a while? A little perspective? That's all I'm saying.

And now...without further adieux...Movie Nut is signing off for the evening. And I wish you all peace, happiness, and good health to you and your families.

May all your lives continue to be so blessed in all other areas that macroblocking is your greatest concern of the day.

great post!!! thanks

[Wernski]

Well, I've got more full-size screenshots in my review here if anyone wants to examine them (they're full size if you right click em and view them as separate images)... HDDigest already compared the two Twilight blus pretty thoroughly, but I did throw a little comparison to the Sony DVD.

Certainly, no matter which blu you prefer, they're all pretty great.

[greyghost1241]

I couldn't have put it any better, Movie Nut.

[pEgLeG]

Originally Posted by Movie Nut

...I can remember only getting 3 or 4 channels on a little 13" television in my bedroom as a boy, and them all signing off around midnight after playing the Star Spangled Banner and going to a test pattern with the color bars until the following morning...And now...without further adieux...Movie Nut is signing off for the evening. And I wish you all peace, happiness, and good health to you and your families.

I remember those days as well. You're making me feel nostalgic. And by the way, you could've at least signed off by singing us The Star-Spangled Banner and giving us a test pattern.

[revgen]

Originally Posted by batman2000

it's brighter from the pics i've seen but is it just me or does some scenes like the night scenes look too bright. also the color of evil ed's face after he get's the cross burned into his for head looks different. also colors in general are different is that better or worse?

Original TT Fright Night release - DVD Beaver Screenshot

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-r..._blu-ray_2.jpg

TT Fright Night 30th Anniversary Release - DVD Beaver Screenshot

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-r...2_blu-ray_.jpg

TT Fright Night 30th Anniversary Release - Screen shot altered with an NTSC/ATSC 16-235 levels input.

http://i.imgur.com/NVMY0nf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OHk6fb8.jpg

When applying a NTSC/ATSC 16-235 range input to the 30th anniversary image, the colors and brightness tend to resemble the original TT release more closely.

[Snowdogyyz]

All I can think about when reading this thread (and previously the Halloween box set thread) is in Christmas Vacation when Clark finally gets his lights to work and how amazing it is, and his father in law says "those little lights aren't twinkling".
No release will ever please some people. If its not what case it comes in, or the artwork, or the price, then its some compression issue or color timing, blah, blah, blah. I guess if theres nothing to ***** about, there is no discussion.

[thephantomcat]

Originally Posted by Snowdogyyz

All I can think about when reading this thread (and previously the Halloween box set thread) is in Christmas Vacation when Clark finally gets his lights to work and how amazing it is, and his father in law says "those little lights aren't twinkling".
No release will ever please some people. If its not what case it comes in, or the artwork, or the price, then its some compression issue or color timing, blah, blah, blah. I guess if theres nothing to ***** about, there is no discussion.

100% agreed.

[bigdaddyhorse]

Originally Posted by Movie Nut

Maybe I'm just having a bad day. And I'm older than most on here which probably changes my perspective as well. I guess what I am trying to say is this. I am old enough that I can remember only getting 3 or 4 channels on a little 13" television in my bedroom as a boy, and them all signing off around midnight after playing the Star Spangled Banner and going to a test pattern with the color bars until the following morning.

No cable TV, no computers, no VHS tapes, no DVDs, and certainly no streaming nor high definition Blu-rays. Not even imaginable to 99.9% of us at that time. And when VHS and DVD finally did arrive they were extremely expensive. No average Joe could dream of building a collection 1/10th the size that many of us on here now have, even at the extremely low definition standard that was available at the time.

Now we have it all...in beautiful high definition...in abundance...at very reasonable prices. And I read thread after thread with people complaining about macroblocking, halo effects, edge enhancement, DNR, black crush, compression artifacts, etc., etc. ad infinitum. ARRRRGHH!!! Enough already!

It's perspective people. It really is. If those issues listed above are truly the greatest problems we encounter on a daily basis in our lives then things are pretty damn good aren't they? A little appreciation once in a while? A little perspective? That's all I'm saying.

And now...without further adieux...Movie Nut is signing off for the evening. And I wish you all peace, happiness, and good health to you and your families.

May all your lives continue to be so blessed in all other areas that macroblocking is your greatest concern of the day.

Awesome post and put much better than I could've done. I'm from the same era and recall all that stuff.

I'll also add that if any kids today get to discover the beauty of Phoebe Cates in Fast Times, they will get to see it clearly where we had to look at stress lines on the tape since every other person in town would pause the thing at the exact same spot! Makes a bit of macro look like nothing when you finally get to that shot and can't even see the goods cuz too many others have! Spoiled little ****s don't know how great they have some things, but they won't be able to get away with most of the things I did since there's cameras everywhere and snitching is encouraged, so I guess it's a fair trade.

[slimdude]

I wouldn't know what compression artifacts look like if my life depended on it, and don't particularly care. As long as the blu-ray is a significant improvement over the DVD, I"m satisfied. I don't have time to watch my movies under a microscopic eye, and detect every little flaw (scene for scene) all throughout the film. That's what Quality Control is for and get paid to do, not me. I don't buy my blu-ray movies to scrutinize the video, I buy the movies to enjoy them. If I worry about the video quality in every blu-ray movie that I've seen, I would lose my sanity, be committed in a Mental Institution, confined in a straight jacket for the rest of my life.

[lolwut]

Originally Posted by AKORIS

somebody said it earlier... this really is one of the worst threads ever...

now the disc itself and wanting Screen Archives/Twilight Time to address minor compression artifacts

FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS

You do realize you're on a Blu-ray forum, right? In a thread about the Blu-ray itself? I don't understand why everyone is jumping down the throats of the people bringing it to our attention that the new disc has compression issues (that are worse than the previous disc). One of the main reasons we read reviews, if not the main reason, is to find out about the picture quality. I would much rather read that than the countless "SHIPPED" and "PRE-ORDERED" posts.

[BrandonJF]

Originally Posted by lolwut

You do realize you're on a Blu-ray forum, right? In a thread about the Blu-ray itself? I don't understand why everyone is jumping down the throats of the people bringing it to our attention that the new disc has compression issues (that are worse than the previous disc). One of the main reasons we read reviews, if not the main reason, is to find out about the picture quality. I would much rather read that than the countless "SHIPPED" and "PRE-ORDERED" posts.

No kidding. It's just insane. Nobody who has mentioned the compression issues has done so with any anger or hyperbole, yet you'd think that people were screaming and crying about them given the responses. I think there are now more responses by people strongly reacting to someone bringing up the compression issues than there are posts about the compression issues.

We even have a long post about how we should just be happy with what we get because we used to have smaller tvs and less media options! That means every thread about a Universal catalog release will be nearly empty. No more talk about DNR, people! If you see it, don't say anything. If it's "better than the DVD", be thankful you got anything (which isn't even that valid in this case since there are two other Blu-Ray releases out there it can - and should - be compared to).

Yes, let's not ever discuss any technical aspects of a Blu-Ray disc in these forums. Let's get back to finding out what everyone's shipping status is and talking about the TT business model.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by lolwut

You do realize you're on a Blu-ray forum, right? In a thread about the Blu-ray itself? I don't understand why everyone is jumping down the throats of the people bringing it to our attention that the new disc has compression issues (that are worse than the previous disc). One of the main reasons we read reviews, if not the main reason, is to find out about the picture quality.

There may be thousands of other blu-ray movies in people's collections, that have "compression issues", but haven't noticed it. And if so, what can they do about it? Absolutely nothing! So why should Fright Night be any different. I would chalk it up as an experience, and move on.

[BrandonJF]

Originally Posted by slimdude

I wouldn't know what compression artifacts look like if my life depended on it, and don't particularly care. As long as the blu-ray is a significant improvement over the DVD, I"m satisfied. I don't have time to watch my movies under a microscopic eye, and detect every little flaw (scene for scene) all throughout the film. That's what Quality Control is for and get paid to do, not me. I don't buy my blu-ray movies to scrutinize the video, I buy the movies to enjoy them. If I worry about the video quality in every blu-ray movie that I've seen, I would lose my sanity, be committed in a Mental Institution, confined in a straight jacket for the rest of my life.

Then maybe you should ignore the posts where people talk about technical issues with a particular disc. Some of us have large displays and don't need a "microscopic eye" (and the person who originally posted the issues said right from the start that those with smaller displays probably wouldn't notice!). You're right - there should be no issues because that's what "quality control is for". That's why someone posted about the compression issues - "quality control" missed it.

Are the compression issues awful? No. I don't think anyone who has seen them have even said they are. I have yet to see one irrational post with regard to the compression issues. They wouldn't probably be given a second thought if there wasn't another release out there that did not have them. I may even still get rid of my original release copy since it's still barely noticeable to me on a huge screen. I'll have to watch the whole thing and see if I notice it occurring anywhere else when I'm not looking for it.

For those who have both releases, though, this is valid information. Some people don't care. Some people might. Out of all of the posts in this thread, the post about the compression issues is probably the most on-topic and factually relevant post outside of the release date.

[slimdude]

Do people gripe about the video quality, whenever they go and see a movie at the theater, and complain about it to the manager, after they've paid their money? If not, then why do it at home....This compression issue is very easy to be resolve! Either they keep the blu-ray, or resell it, if they don't want it. I'm quite sure they won't have any problems getting rid of it. Somebody will gladly take Fright Night off of their hands, with or without the alleged compression issues. It's impossible to please everybody.. A one man's junk, is another man's treasure!

[notsoboo]

I realize that I am in the minority here, but as someone who has authored plenty of DVDs and Blu-rays (and continues to do so), I am always interested in hearing about artifacts and other compression anomalies. It's interesting to see where the code failed and actually helps me do a better job compressing my own files when I can see the circumstances surrounding these artifacts.

It didn't seem to me like anyone was complaining about it (except the people who were complaining that people were bringing it up, but every opinion is valid).

[bruceames]

I'm here 100% for the posts on the transfer itself and how it compares to the other releases. Positive or negative I want to read them and thanks to what has been brought up so far. This is a technical forum and feel free to babble on about how we should be thankful we don't have to watch it on a 19" CRT, how it's better than the DVD, etc. But I will be overlooking those obvious comments because they serve me no purpose at all.

[KrugStillo]

Originally Posted by revgen

Original TT Fright Night release - DVD Beaver Screenshot

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-r..._blu-ray_2.jpg

TT Fright Night 30th Anniversary Release - DVD Beaver Screenshot

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-r...2_blu-ray_.jpg

TT Fright Night 30th Anniversary Release - Screen shot altered with an NTSC/ATSC 16-235 levels input.

http://i.imgur.com/NVMY0nf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OHk6fb8.jpg

When applying a NTSC/ATSC 16-235 range input to the 30th anniversary image, the colors and brightness tend to resemble the original TT release more closely.

Interesting experiment. I just received Breaking Away from TT and that also has a washed out contrasty look. It looks far better than it ever has but it does seem like whoever they have encoding for them at the moment is somehow making mistakes. I guess it could be the master but these are easily fixable issues. Don may Jr. of Synapse also made a few comments on his facebook page about the end of Fright Night being way too bright. I guess he would know since that is what he does for a living and he does it very well. Oh well.