Sony Black Crush on late-2014 / early-2015 BDs - Page 29 - Blu-ray Forum

joie · 03-20-2015, 02:21 AM

Where there isn't black crush, are the highlights blown out?

With film there is something known as a transfer curve, density vs. exposure. To avoid black crush and blown out highlights, the film must be exposed and processed so that the desired image lies on the linear part of the transfer curve. And, of course, the scene must be properly lighted to do that. How the film is processed plays a part, too, in where the image lies on that curve -- different results can be achieved with the same film stock if it's processed differently but shot under the same lighting conditions.

When making a print, the transfer curve of the paper or film onto which the negative is printed must also be considered. The curves of the negative material and print material may be different.

Analogously, the "transfer curves" of the negative, the video master and the digital encode may all be different. So, there are tradeoffs: do I want to sacrifice some shadow detail for highlight detail?

Naiera · 03-20-2015, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

HDD says Troop Beverly Hills looks amazing on BD: http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1836...erlyhills.html

Not fighting about this anymore, just saying reviewers still aren't seeing what you guys are seeing, right or wrong.

Didn't we agree that you would go away?

jscoggins · 03-20-2015, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Not sure what you mean, I read a lot of reviews of Fury, Annie and others and no one mentioned the issue. Just saying they continue to not mention it.

Though I guess this site did notice a minor crushing issue this time, which is cool to see.

Reviewers aren't the only people in the world with eyes.

Wernski · 03-20-2015, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Naiera

Didn't we agree that you would go away?

I don't think anyone should be unwelcome for sharing relevant info to the topic. Heck, I don't think he should be unwelcome even if he still doesn't believe there's any black crush and wants to argue the point. A good case should be put to scrutiny. But he's not even doing that here.

StingingVelvet · 03-20-2015, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Wernski

I don't think anyone should be unwelcome for sharing relevant info to the topic. Heck, I don't think he should be unwelcome even if he still doesn't believe there's any black crush and wants to argue the point. A good case should be put to scrutiny. But he's not even doing that here.

Thanks.

I never said I was going away anyway, so not sure what he's talking about. I said I wasn't going to argue over black crush anymore because life is too short. Also Fury is the only movie I've argued about, mainly because the US BD looks better to me in caps, even if it has crush. The other films obviously have an issue, especially The Interview.

Anyway... good to see some reviewers commenting, it means Sony will hear it louder.

grrrarg · 03-20-2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

HDD says Troop Beverly Hills looks amazing on BD: http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/1836...erlyhills.html

That just speaks to the excellent 4k transfer.

Now imagine how much better it would look without black crush!

JoeDeM · 03-20-2015, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

I was gonna get Troop Beverly Hills, but now I'm glad I waited.
I'll get it once it is fixed!

What makes you think they will fix it?

Naiera · 03-20-2015, 04:03 PM

If any one of these is never going to get fixed, it'll be that one.

James Luckard · 03-20-2015, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Naiera

If any one of these is never going to get fixed, it'll be that one.

Sadly I agree. I think the chances of the catalog titles getting fixed are slim to none. I'm hoping, at best, that we get the new releases (FURY, THE INTERVIEW, ANNIE) replaced.

Naiera · 03-20-2015, 08:09 PM

I'm gon' whoop some ass if they don't fix Fury and The Interview

Beating a dead horse... bringing up/asking something that has been discussed a thousand times before

HeavyHitter · 03-20-2015, 08:12 PM

I watched the first 20 minutes of The Interview (I just couldn't manage to sit through it any longer), but it did seem oddly dark.

jscoggins · 03-20-2015, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I watched the first 20 minutes of The Interview (I just couldn't manage to sit through it any longer), but it did seem oddly dark.

The BD becomes unwatchable at a certain point.

Gold Ranger · 03-20-2015, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jscoggins

The BD becomes unwatchable at a certain point.

I can't tell, is that Jar Jar?

mzupeman · 03-20-2015, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jscoggins

Reviewers aren't the only people in the world with eyes.

And it's also worth noting that most reviewers aren't being paid for their time. It's also worth noting that pretty much anyone can write a review on the internet, and not everyone has the same opinion, at that.

Blu-21 · 03-21-2015, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jscoggins

The BD becomes unwatchable at a certain point.

Are the other non-BD versions not created equal when it comes to black crush like with Fury? or do they all exhibit the same issues?

jscoggins · 03-21-2015, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Blu-21

Are the other non-BD versions not created equal when it comes to black crush like with Fury? or do they all exhibit the same issues?

No, the non-BD versions of Fury, The Interview, and Annie look fine. Someone is specifically messing up the BDs.

Blu-21 · 03-21-2015, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jscoggins

No, the non-BD versions of Fury, The Interview, and Annie look fine. Someone is specifically messing up the BDs.

It's as though people within Sony are trying to bring down BD from the inside.

The Interview seems even worse than Fury by looking at the cap comparisons.

jscoggins · 03-21-2015, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Blu-21

It's as though people within Sony are trying to bring down BD from the inside.

As I mentioned earlier, the irony is that Sony invented BD.

StingingVelvet · 03-21-2015, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Blu-21

The Interview seems even worse than Fury by looking at the cap comparisons.

Especially considering Fury is a dark movie either way. The Interview looks really screwed up.

jscoggins · 03-21-2015, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

The Interview looks really screwed up.

I think I speak on behalf of the entire Internet when I say that your comment was highly unexpected.

03-20-2015, 02:21 AM	#561
joie Special Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2011 Blu-ray collection:1 DVD collection:1	Where there isn't black crush, are the highlights blown out? With film there is something known as a transfer curve, density vs. exposure. To avoid black crush and blown out highlights, the film must be exposed and processed so that the desired image lies on the linear part of the transfer curve. And, of course, the scene must be properly lighted to do that. How the film is processed plays a part, too, in where the image lies on that curve -- different results can be achieved with the same film stock if it's processed differently but shot under the same lighting conditions. When making a print, the transfer curve of the paper or film onto which the negative is printed must also be considered. The curves of the negative material and print material may be different. Analogously, the "transfer curves" of the negative, the video master and the digital encode may all be different. So, there are tradeoffs: do I want to sacrifice some shadow detail for highlight detail? Last edited by joie; 03-20-2015 at 02:43 AM. Reason: clarify what needs to be on the linear part of the curve

03-20-2015, 04:03 PM	#568
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	If any one of these is never going to get fixed, it'll be that one.

03-20-2015, 08:09 PM	#570
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	I'm gon' whoop some ass if they don't fix Fury and The Interview

03-20-2015, 08:12 PM	#571
HeavyHitter Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Home Theater Gallery:4 Trading Score:154	I watched the first 20 minutes of The Interview (I just couldn't manage to sit through it any longer), but it did seem oddly dark.

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