Dressed to Kill (1980)

[tama]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

We're talking about Criterion releases and those are two of their releases. Whoever supervised it is kind of irrelevant, the point was about buying Criterion with confidence knowing it will be a "perfect" release. A lot of people would say Thief and Scanners prove you can't do that.

And again, I am not one of those people, so don't ask me to debate their side.

It is relevant. It was the Film makers wishes, not Criterion, on the color grading of these films. You wouldn't blame FOX for changes George Lucas made to Star Wars would you?

[tama]

Originally Posted by surfinhank

I remember seeing one or two comments about this (The Rose being an example) but now I can't find them. If this is the case, why aren't more people complaining about it? Look in any Shout Factory thread and every other post is "bad compression this" and "bad encoding that", so I'm just curious why more people aren't up in arms about this.

That's because a few based these on screen captures alone. However some of these titles in question while played in motion show no discrepancies in similar circumstances.

Some of it is fanboyism more then anything else.

[MagellanvsHimself]

I find it fascinating that Criterion is doing this title - I'm sure it can look better than the current disc (it's no slouch either!), but will be interesting to see how much...considering that it was shot through a soft lens to give it that wonderfully dreamy, hazy, look. One of DePalma's finest!

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by tama

It is relevant. It was the Film makers wishes, not Criterion, on the color grading of these films. You wouldn't blame FOX for changes George Lucas made to Star Wars would you?

It's completely irrelevant because we were talking about expectation of satisfaction with the end product because the Criterion name is on it. It's not about the cause of said dissatisfaction.

[Member-222782]

Originally Posted by MagellanvsHimself

I find it fascinating that Criterion is doing this title - I'm sure it can look better than the current disc (it's no slouch either!), but will be interesting to see how much...considering that it was shot through a soft lens to give it that wonderfully dreamy, hazy, look. One of DePalma's finest!

I have a feeling they acquired this in a package deal with Carrie (and who knows what else). Wouldn't that be wonderful? I wish De Palma hadn't shot ALL of his films with Vaseline on the lens, though. It gives the films a low-budget look IMO

[klauswhereareyou]

Originally Posted by cine74

I have a feeling they acquired this in a package deal with Carrie (and who knows what else). Wouldn't that be wonderful? I wish De Palma hadn't shot ALL of his films with Vaseline on the lens, though. It gives the films a low-budget look IMO

Nahh it's called diffusion photography and it looks great when the film is properly remastered (see the region free Arrow Obsession disc for proof).

[klauswhereareyou]

Still thinking we'll get a Criterion upgrade of Sisters at some point.

[The Great Owl]

I wonder if there's a chance that Body Double could see the light of day on Criterion. It was only released a short while ago on Blu-ray by Twilight Time.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I wonder if there's a chance that Body Double could see the light of day on Criterion. It was only released a short while ago on Blu-ray by Twilight Time.

I would guess when Twilight Time's 3 year deal ends Criterion could bid on it if they wanted.

[dwk]

Criterion has added a new special feature: • New conversation between De Palma and filmmaker Noah Baumbach

[cakefactory]

Not at all impressed with the features on this compared to the Arrow, or even the MGM...guess I'll just be waiting to see how much better the transfer looks. It's a great movie and anyone who doesn't have it yet should definitely hold off buying one of the existing versions till this is out, but a blind double-dip on this doesn't sound smart considering the previous versions weren't exactly disasters. If it was a Criterion release of The Fury and you had the TT one, then yeah!

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by cakefactory

Not at all impressed with the features on this compared to the Arrow, or even the MGM...guess I'll just be waiting to see how much better the transfer looks. It's a great movie and anyone who doesn't have it yet should definitely hold off buying one of the existing versions till this is out, but a blind double-dip on this doesn't sound smart considering the previous versions weren't exactly disasters. If it was a Criterion release of The Fury and you had the TT one, then yeah!

As far as I can tell, it has all the extras from the MGM disc plus new ones.

[cakefactory]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

As far as I can tell, it has all the extras from the MGM disc plus new ones.

Right, I mean, the new ones aren't exciting enough that they'd make me double-dip from the MGM one on their own. Obviously if I had neither the Criterion would be the better choice even disregarding the transfer, though.

[PowellPressburger]

Originally Posted by dwk

Criterion has added a new special feature: • New conversation between De Palma and filmmaker Noah Baumbach

this is great news, we needed a new interview with DePalma to make the release special

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by cakefactory

Right, I mean, the new ones aren't exciting enough that they'd make me double-dip from the MGM one on their own. Obviously if I had neither the Criterion would be the better choice even disregarding the transfer, though.

I think a new 4k remaster is the core point here, and well worth a buy for fans. Goodfellas this month only added one 30 minute feature that wasn't that great, but it was worth every penny for that 4k remaster.

[Mr. Thomsen]

Well, seems postponing my purchase of the Arrow release again and again for once was a good strategy. I will definitely get this, unless Criterion totally screws up the compression.

[Mr. Thomsen]

Originally Posted by Dylan34

Well, like I said earlier, I don't buy a Criterion release just because it has the name Criterion on it. It has to be a release that I'm wanting to own. In my experience with Criterion though, I've always been very pleased with PQ/AQ and supplements and that's going back to the laserdisc days as well. If you don't mind me asking, what's wrong with the disc you're referring to?

The video has been heavily digitally filtered to the point where there's little grain left:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Child.../48077/#Review

Criterion should never have accepted the master from Pathé, the company that also stood behind the even worse French BD of 'Le Samouraï'.

What's heartbreaking to me is that some (I think it was over at the Criterion Forum) reported that the digital projection/ DCP, which was shown in theaters in France, looked much better and more film-like, so the de-noising was apparently only done in preparation of the BD.

This and 'The Earrings of Mme de ...' basically shook my confidence in Criterion's output to the point where I no longer will blind-buy their releases. And I have been and avid fan and collector of their output for more than 20 years over three different formats.

[JoeBuck]

Originally Posted by Mr. Thomsen

The video has been heavily digitally filtered to the point where there's little grain left:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Child.../48077/#Review

Criterion should never have accepted the master from Pathé, the company that also stood behind the even worse French BD of 'Le Samouraï'.

What's heartbreaking to me is that some (I think it was over at the Criterion Forum) reported that the digital projection/ DCP, which was shown in theaters in France, looked much better and more film-like, so the de-noising was apparently only done in preparation of the BD.

This and 'The Earrings of Mme de ...' basically shook my confidence in Criterion's output to the point where I no longer will blind-buy their releases. And I have been and avid fan and collector of their output for more than 20 years over three different formats.

I caught a theatrical screening of Children Of Paradise in a theatre here in Vancouver and can tell you the DCP looked just as shitty as the blu ray.
That was easily their worst release but I certainly wont hold that one against them if it was the only thing they could get.

[DiffrentDrumr]

Originally Posted by klauswhereareyou

So as of now, I believe these are the only Brian De Palma directed films not on blu-ray anywhere: Greetings, Hi Mom, Get to Know Your Rabbit, Home Movies, Wise Guys, Raising Cain, and Femme Fatale.

De Palma directed movies not available in Region A: Sisters, Obsession, Casualties of War, Mission to Mars, and Redacted.

Then you've got Body Double and The Fury which were released in Region A by Twilight Time that are out of print, but are available from other regions.

For those of you that think "Obsession" blu-ray is not available for Region A: There is a Region Free version available. I bought it years ago.

http://www.amazon.com/Obsession-Blu-ray-Cliff-Robertson/dp/B004QIT2X8/ref=sr_1_1_twi_2_vid_twi_2_blu?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1432625790&sr=1-1&keywords=obsession



https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Obsession-Blu-ray/21426/

[MifuneFan]

That's the UK release from Arrow. It is region free as you said. It's pretty cheap at Amazon UK