Fantastic Four (2015)

[Doctor Jack]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

That is interesting. My question is, can Trank sue Fox for essentially a breach of contract? I would think he could. I mean, if you settle on a deal to make such and such a movie, and then at the last second the studio comes in and says, "Nope, we aren't making that movie" after you already had a hand shake over it, that a breach of contract. And then to top it all off, to kick the director out of the editing room, I mean what's up with that?

This talk of Marvel suing, Trank suing, etc just makes me sad that we live in such a sue happy society. Fox made a shit movie. That's it. There is no need to clog up the courts with more uneccesary lawsuits.

[RodChester]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

That is interesting. My question is, can Trank sue Fox for essentially a breach of contract? I would think he could. I mean, if you settle on a deal to make such and such a movie, and then at the last second the studio comes in and says, "Nope, we aren't making that movie" after you already had a hand shake over it, that a breach of contract. And then to top it all off, to kick the director out of the editing room, I mean what's up with that?

I'm sure Fox has something in their contract with Trank preventing this. And it would seem Trank did not have final cut either so there really is nothing he could do. When you boss tells you to do something you gotta do it.

[Foggy]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

This talk of Marvel suing, Trank suing, etc just makes me sad that we live in such a sue happy society. Fox made a shit movie. That's it. There is no need to clog up the courts with more uneccesary lawsuits.

Agree, genuinely important stuff happening in the world, yet people are concerned that rich companies should sue another company over a bad film just because they like the other company more is really daft.

[Moviefan2k4]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

This talk of Marvel suing, Trank suing, etc just makes me sad that we live in such a sue happy society. Fox made a shit movie. That's it. There is no need to clog up the courts with more uneccesary lawsuits.

Necessity (or a lack thereof) never stopped stupid or selfish people in the past; I'm just sayin'...

[MrBlonde]

Originally Posted by Foggy

Agree, genuinely important stuff happening in the world, yet people are concerned that rich companies should sue another company over a bad film just because they like the other company more is really daft.

What is this "world" you speak of?

[Santa Barbara]

Originally Posted by Foggy

Agree, genuinely important stuff happening in the world, yet people are concerned that rich companies should sue another company over a bad film just because they like the other company more is really daft.

Well, that's not entirely true. If you don't protect your brand you lose rights to sue for other infringements/disparagement's in the future. IP law and contact law in the US is a convoluted mess and is inconsistent among all the Federal Circuits, it is actually causing more litigation. If you read some EFF articles or browse various property law advocacy groups you'd see the issue expands to even EU laws relating to properties as well.

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by Det. Bullock

Yeah, because he should stay quietly in a corner while being scapegoated by the studio.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Will.

Actually, it seems like he's tried to scapegoat the studio, not the other way around.

Nope. He's rightfully defending himself. Those Kinberg re-shoots were for more action scenes and basically make up most of the third act, the act in which a lot or dare I say most critics are saying where the film turns to complete s***.

I'm not saying Trank's full untouched version would have been a good movie but it sounds like it would have been much better than the heavily edited version Kinberg/Fox gave us.

[Holmes]

To a degree, I have sympathy for Trank and admiration for many of the choices here, which I attribute to him. The way the characters are introduced, including Reed and Ben befriending each other as Oyster Bay outcasts. The serious tone of the first half, which almost plays as this Interstellar-flavored chamber piece. (Way too slow for many, I am sure, but it held my attention and drew me in.) And I love how he flirts with an early-Cronenberg-style horror quality, showing the terror and pain of a man turned to stone or a man caught in a perpetual fire versus just having them instantly loving it and ready to save the world.

It truly just goes to sh*t once the third act becomes this extended action sequence with a forced, rushed antagonist arc for Victor von Doom.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

The way Jackman and Fox has portrayed him, most all of them.

Originally Posted by Santa Barbara

Captain America
Black Widow
The Winter Soldier
Loki


The rest of them...except maybe Hawkeye.

Ugh.

You two sicken me.

[Doctor Jack]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

Ugh.

You two sicken me.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by Doctor Jack

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

They obviously don't have the same rights over the franchise as Sony did over Spider-Man. How often does fox have to release a FF film to keep the rights? What's to say they won't try again in another 5 years.

I think they have to make a film within 8 years of the last one or the rights revert back.

Originally Posted by RodChester

I'm sure Fox has something in their contract with Trank preventing this. And it would seem Trank did not have final cut either so there really is nothing he could do. When you boss tells you to do something you gotta do it.

It's doubtful Trank had Final Cut Privilege to such a big movie, the studio would have got that or Trank went over the allotted amount of time (I can't remember the exact amount of days) to turn over the final cut.

If Trank hated the end result he should have taken his name off it. But he seems to be in a no-win situation.

[Tony208]

Trank was too young and inexperienced to be handed FF and a Star Wars spinoff. How many other big movies go through problems and studio meddling? All of them. You make the best movie you can and move on instead of this showing up drunk and then disowning the movie the day it comes out bs.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Santa Barbara

Well, that's not entirely true.

It would have to be a horrifically bad film with the characters portrayed doing horrifically bad things for studios to take action, as it's quality is purely subjective. Not only would the film have to be horrific and bomb it would have to seriously injure the hundreds of people that were unlucky enough to go and see it!

If the audience sued the studio for emotional damages after seeing it, then the other studio could potentially sue to get the rights back. But it would have to do a lot of damage! So until we see "Trank's Fantastic Four made me INSANE!" headlines 20th Century Fox aren't in any danger and Reed, Sue, Ben and the dude that lights on fire aren't going anywhere ...

[Thomas Guycott]

Originally Posted by MasturB

Because Wolverine gives Fox more leverage to make a deal with Marvel and get something in return.

Fox's awful handling of F4 gives them no leverage to not give it back to Marvel, just like Sony disappointing with Spider-Man. Fox can continue to make F4 movies and have them disappoint at the box office, and then the rights will go back to Marvel in 5 years I think it is, if Fox doesn't make another F4 movie? Or they can negotiate with Marvel/Disney to give it back.

Marvel doesn't want Wolverine's exclusive rights back, just want him to appear in an Avengers movie.

Are you living in a hole in the ground? Marvel can do far more with Doctor Doom and Glacactus in the MCU than Wolverine popping up in a couple Avengers installments, especially with Hugh Jackman walking away from the role.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Tony208

Trank was too young and inexperienced to be handed FF and a Star Wars spinoff. How many other big movies go through problems and studio meddling? All of them. You make the best movie you can and move on instead of this showing up drunk and then disowning the movie the day it comes out bs.

Studios have a reputation for hiring directors with one hit movie under their belts for big studio gigs, we've seen it in the past, some make great movies and some don't. They're always looking for the next hot young director and they're always looking for the blockbuster director's chair.

[LegacyCosts]

Pretty impressive how you all know what marvel and fox wants and what they should do. Do you work for them?

[Det. Bullock]

Originally Posted by Will.

Actually, it seems like he's tried to scapegoat the studio, not the other way around.

No, it doesn't, haven't you heard of what Collider found out?

[Det. Bullock]

Originally Posted by Lincoln6Echo

That is interesting. My question is, can Trank sue Fox for essentially a breach of contract? I would think he could. I mean, if you settle on a deal to make such and such a movie, and then at the last second the studio comes in and says, "Nope, we aren't making that movie" after you already had a hand shake over it, that a breach of contract. And then to top it all off, to kick the director out of the editing room, I mean what's up with that?

It depends on how much money Trank has, there are probably a lot of borderline illegal fine lines in his contract that let the studio do as they please that could take a lot of suing to get overturned before even thinking of suing for the breach on Fox's part, to win a cause like that would require a lot of money.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by MasturB

Because Wolverine gives Fox more leverage to make a deal with Marvel and get something in return.

Fox's awful handling of F4 gives them no leverage to not give it back to Marvel, just like Sony disappointing with Spider-Man. Fox can continue to make F4 movies and have them disappoint at the box office, and then the rights will go back to Marvel in 5 years I think it is, if Fox doesn't make another F4 movie? Or they can negotiate with Marvel/Disney to give it back.

Marvel doesn't want Wolverine's exclusive rights back, just want him to appear in an Avengers movie.

What kind of leverage do you think they need here? Their either want to sell the rights back, license the rights back for a percentage, or make another movie within 7 years or so. Those are their options, and there's no real negotiation in any of them other than price, which I doubt they would f**k with their X-Men cash cow to raise a few percentage points.