Have an old school receiver (non-HDMI) and want Lossless audio??

[pentatonic]

Originally Posted by Remo

Your receiver will not do lossles surround sound at all. No audio through HDMI, no multi channel analog inputs.

Onkyo's website states that the 505 has 7.1 analog inputs. To the OP check the back of your receiver to see it could be written DVD in or so. You'll have all the channels written on 8 rca inputs. If not, you're out of luck, but it seems if Onkyo states it, it should be there

[amarster]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Onkyo's website states that the 505 has 7.1 analog inputs. To the OP check the back of your receiver to see it could be written DVD in or so. You'll have all the channels written on 8 rca inputs. If not, you're out of luck, but it seems if Onkyo states it, it should be there

yeah, the section for the analogs is titled DVD and each channel has the specific channel spelled out....does this mean the receiver will not do any conditioning causing loss before it outputs to the speakers?

[BIslander]

^^
With that AVR, you can get lossless multichannel audio decoded and processed by the player.

But, be advised that using analog turns your receiver into an amp. You won't be able to use any of its processing capabilities, including Audyssey room correction. For most people, the analog set-up is a big pain and they discover that lossless doesn't sound any better than the high bitrate lossy tracks on Blu-ray.

[amarster]

Thanks Pentatonic, Remo and BIslander....instead of spending a load on 4 sets of RCA golds it may end up being eaiser/better quality to just get a good receiver with HD codecs?

[BIslander]

Yep. These days, it's hard to find a receiver without HDMI and HD audio decoders. But, beyond lossless audio, a modern processor will give you considerably better room correction and other processing tools that will likely make a bigger difference than TrueHD and dts-MA decoders.

[amarster]

Originally Posted by BIslander

Yep. These days, it's hard to find a receiver without HDMI and HD audio decoders. But, beyond lossless audio, a modern processor will give you considerably better room correction and other processing tools that will likely make a bigger difference than TrueHD and dts-MA decoders.

I wasn't a fan of using the audyssey on the current receiver I have. I guess the price ot the Panasonic combined with the cost of the RCA's would be the same as a servicable new receiver. I would then just keep using the PS3 slim and ditch the Toslink and use the HDMI for both video/audio. So in your experienced opinion with the setup I currently have and proposed, you think it would be cheaper and better quality with a new Denon or Onkyo?

[BIslander]

Audyssey 2EQ on the Onkyo SR505 is the bottom end implementation. You'll find much better versions nowadays. Plus other improved processing features. So, yes, I'd recommend going that route. (btw, I still use analog on an AVR I bought in 2005 right before HDMI took off. But, I'd make the switch if I were in the market for a new processor.)

[amarster]

Originally Posted by BIslander

Audyssey 2EQ on the Onkyo SR505 is the bottom end implementation. You'll find much better versions nowadays. Plus other improved processing features. So, yes, I'd recommend going that route. (btw, I still use analog on an AVR I bought in 2005 right before HDMI took off. But, I'd make the switch if I were in the market for a new processor.)

I see a Pioneer Elite - Elite 560W 7.1-Ch. 3D Pass-Through A/V Home Theater Receiver for probably less than buying the Panasonic player and RCA cables. That would probably satisfy?

[Remo]

Originally Posted by pentatonic

Onkyo's website states that the 505 has 7.1 analog inputs. To the OP check the back of your receiver to see it could be written DVD in or so. You'll have all the channels written on 8 rca inputs. If not, you're out of luck, but it seems if Onkyo states it, it should be there

After another look yep it does have 7.1 analog input, my mistake. Was looking at onkyos site from a phone, got on computer after seeing your post. I apologize for my lack of attention to details as all I did was skim the specs and look at rear picture. Small screen on a phone.

[SirBoss]

Hi I have an older reciever that does not have HDMI so i am using Optical cable, I have read in some other forums that this connection will only output 2.0 channel, but on the front panel screen of the reciever it displays dolby digital when playing DVDs and DTS when playing bluray also theres a massive difference from PCM to dolby to DTS (obviously) with optical audio cable used.

1. So my question is my Optical cable outputing 2.0 still even when it shows dolby or DTS OR is outputing 5.1 channel surround please help it is frustrating me 2. Also my samsung bd-f7500 analog out.

[hawkster]

Originally Posted by SirBoss

Hi I have an older reciever that does not have HDMI so i am using Optical cable, I have read in some other forums that this connection will only output 2.0 channel, but on the front panel screen of the reciever it displays dolby digital when playing DVDs and DTS when playing bluray also theres a massive difference from PCM to dolby to DTS (obviously) with optical audio cable used.

1. So my question is my Optical cable outputing 2.0 still even when it shows dolby or DTS OR is outputing 5.1 channel surround please help it is frustrating me 2. Also my samsung bd-f7500 analog out.

Yes, you are just getting 2.0. From the very first post that started this thread:

"if your receiver has mutlichannel analog inputs...then you can hear lossless audio. You will need to buy 3 sets of these analog cables. Just connect to your bluray player, and you will have lossless audio in no time.

This thread is intended for those who do not have an HDMI receiver but do have a Bluray player with Multichannel Analog outputs and an old school receiver with analog in's.

I know this is fairly common knowledge but there are still those out there who have no idea. And Im all about bringing everyone the best blu experience possible. This can work for audio in conjunction with component cables to the receiver, or even HDMI directly to the TV for video and the analog cables to the receiver for audio. So stop using optical, and get with the HD audio.

EDIT: TrueHD and Dts-HD can only be passed as Bitstream using an HDMI cable. For Multichannel Analog you would need a Bluray player with Internal decoding capabilities (into Linear PCM).

(ps. Upgrade to an HDMI receiver! )"

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by hawkster

Yes, you are just getting 2.0. From the very first post that started this thread:

"if your receiver has mutlichannel analog inputs...then you can hear lossless audio. You will need to buy 3 sets of these analog cables. Just connect to your bluray player, and you will have lossless audio in no time.

This thread is intended for those who do not have an HDMI receiver but do have a Bluray player with Multichannel Analog outputs and an old school receiver with analog in's.

I know this is fairly common knowledge but there are still those out there who have no idea. And Im all about bringing everyone the best blu experience possible. This can work for audio in conjunction with component cables to the receiver, or even HDMI directly to the TV for video and the analog cables to the receiver for audio. So stop using optical, and get with the HD audio.

EDIT: TrueHD and Dts-HD can only be passed as Bitstream using an HDMI cable. For Multichannel Analog you would need a Bluray player with Internal decoding capabilities (into Linear PCM).

(ps. Upgrade to an HDMI receiver! )"

The BDP also needs multichannel analog output in order to achieve this. As your edit stated, if multi channel analog output are present then the BDP has the internal decoding.

If the Op can tell us what BDP and Receiver he has then we can find out.

[Tech-UK]

SirBoss maybe a bot/spammer, they have posted the same post within multiple threads within a short time period, and hasn't yet replied to anyone who has quoted them.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/search.php?searchid=21972407

I replied to their first post on that list.

[hakstone]

what can I do to use it as an amp and continue using my oppo 93 analogue out ? Thx