SPECTRE Review Thread

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by dgoswald

Dalton in GoldenEye... oh my days, that had the potential to be THE greatest Bond film of all time.

If it toned down the sillyness then yes.
I may be the only person who loves the score to that movie

[dgoswald]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

If it toned down the sillyness then yes.
I may be the only person who loves the score to that movie

I think you're correct on that one. I struggle to believe the fella who scored Leon composed the insipid GoldenEye score. A complete mess IMO. It's the major black mark against the film.

[Richard--W]

Originally Posted by HDvision

I love LTK but it's a mix of WISEGUY (the TV show) blended with the Live and Let Die novel, and some Lethal Weapon style action. It's still the template for all the Craig era though.

This is an interesting comment regarding WISEGUY. I hadn't heard of this 1987-89 series until you mentioned it here. So I looked it up, and yeah, the premise of the program is identical to the premise of LICENCE TO KILL. I always assumed EON was trying to capitalize on MIAMI VICE but maybe they were stealing more directly from WISEGUY. If true, it only reaffirms my conviction that Michael G. Wilson was the worst thing to happen to the franchise, until his twisted stepsister came along. I'll have to check out the program.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I prefer Living Daylights, because it feels more like a Bond movie and has a strong romance element, but LTK is very good too. I wish Dalton did more Bonds. They're so different from Moore and Brosnan, and have that fun 80's feel.

I've already mentioned to you elsewhere my criticisms of The Living Daylights.

Originally Posted by dgoswald

Dalton in GoldenEye... oh my days, that had the potential to be THE greatest Bond film of all time.

I know it's unpopular nowadays to like Pierce's take on Bond but I'm glad Dalton didn't get a crack at Goldeneye. Written with him in mind or not, I don't think he would have made it as fun as Brosnan did. Granted, that's not what Dalton fans typically like in their Bond performances.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I prefer Living Daylights, because it feels more like a Bond movie and has a strong romance element, but LTK is very good too. I wish Dalton did more Bonds. They're so different from Moore and Brosnan, and have that fun 80's feel.

The first 30 minutes or so of TLD are above reproach, but then it devolves into a bad mix of Dalton edginess and Moore silliness. And the Joe Don Baker villain is a clown, hard to feel like he was ever much of a threat. Parts of the movie are aces but none of it comes close to the darker edge of Licence IMHO.

Originally Posted by dvdmike

That's why goldeneye is any good, it was written partly for him and was less Brosnan.
Daylights is a good bridge to the Fleming Bond darkness that kill introduced.
And so good Nolan (spits) ripped it off

And now I am watching it!

I thought Nolan's favorite was OHMSS; apparently he cribbed from it for the Inception snow sequence.

[tob]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

If it toned down the sillyness then yes.
I may be the only person who loves the score to that movie

The sillyness in GoldenEye is not as bad compared to the other Brosnan Bond films.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

The first 30 minutes or so of TLD are above reproach, but then it devolves into a bad mix of Dalton edginess and Moore silliness. And the Joe Don Baker villain is a clown, hard to feel like he was ever much of a threat. Parts of the movie are aces but none of it comes close to the darker edge of Licence IMHO.




I thought Nolan's favorite was OHMSS; apparently he cribbed from it for the Inception snow sequence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjAQ...ature=youtu.be

Originally Posted by tob

The sillyness in GoldenEye is not as bad compared to the other Brosnan Bond films.

Agreed that's why it shows it was was the only one not written for him

[Infernal King]

Nothing wrong with silliness in Bond movies. I know, another unpopular opinion. Just depends on how it's done and if it clashes too much with the rest of the picture.

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

The first 30 minutes or so of TLD are above reproach, but then it devolves into a bad mix of Dalton edginess and Moore silliness. And the Joe Don Baker villain is a clown, hard to feel like he was ever much of a threat. Parts of the movie are aces but none of it comes close to the darker edge of Licence IMHO.




I thought Nolan's favorite was OHMSS; apparently he cribbed from it for the Inception snow sequence.

He's talking about the pre-credits plane stunt in Licence to Kill, which Nolan cribbed for the plane stunt in The Dark Knight Rises.

And don't forget Koskov. He was the co-baddie of TLD with Whitaker and equally terrible.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjAQ...ature=youtu.be

But that's Licence not Daylights.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by dgoswald

I think you're correct on that one. I struggle to believe the fella who scored Leon composed the insipid GoldenEye score. A complete mess IMO. It's the major black mark against the film.

Man, I fu**ing LOVE the Goldeneye score and don't care who knows it.

[dgoswald]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

I know it's unpopular nowadays to like Pierce's take on Bond but I'm glad Dalton didn't get a crack at Goldeneye. Written with him in mind or not, I don't think he would have made it as fun as Brosnan did. Granted, that's not what Dalton fans typically like in their Bond performances.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an ardent Brosnan supporter just on the strength of GoldenEye; that's how highly I rate his turn in that particular film. But Dalton transported out of the lingering stylistic flourishes of the 80's, and put to work in the slightly cynical mid-90's era would've been great. He'd have been older and it could be argued, if there were complaints about the change in tone, that Dalton's Bond had become accustomed to his role as spy extraordinaire, hence his slightly more relaxed demeanour in a potential turn in GoldenEye. But, nah, Brosnan nailed it.

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Man, I fu**ing LOVE the Goldeneye score and don't care who knows it.

Oh man, you too?

I lost faith in that score during the early car chase scene that was played for laughs. Seemed iffy even to my 11 year old self.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

The first 30 minutes or so of TLD are above reproach, but then it devolves into a bad mix of Dalton edginess and Moore silliness. And the Joe Don Baker villain is a clown, hard to feel like he was ever much of a threat. Parts of the movie are aces but none of it comes close to the darker edge of Licence IMHO.

A certain amount of cheesy fun is just part of Bond for me. I enjoy it, 99% of the time. Some of Moore's stuff went a tiny bit too far, but I don't think Living Daylights does. That's why I say TLD feels more like a Bond film compared to LTK, though I love both.

[V40LLY]

Originally Posted by tob

The sillyness in GoldenEye is not as bad compared to the other Brosnan Bond films.

How's Die Another Day for silly.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

But that's Licence not Daylights.

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

A certain amount of cheesy fun is just part of Bond for me. I enjoy it, 99% of the time. Some of Moore's stuff went a tiny bit too far, but I don't think Living Daylights does. That's why I say TLD feels more like a Bond film compared to LTK, though I love both.

There is some of that, but feeling like a Bond film was not a great thing when the last film was View to a kill.

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

But that's Licence not Daylights.

I meant kill my bad

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Man, I fu**ing LOVE the Goldeneye score and don't care who knows it.

Damn straight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZUv...ature=youtu.be

[tob]

Originally Posted by V40LLY

How's Die Another Day for silly.

[Infernal King]

Originally Posted by dgoswald

Don't get me wrong, I'm an ardent Brosnan supporter just on the strength of GoldenEye; that's how highly I rate his turn in that particular film. But Dalton transported out of the lingering stylistic flourishes of the 80's, and put to work in the slightly cynical mid-90's era would've been great. He'd have been older and it could be argued, if there were complaints about the change in tone, that Dalton's Bond had become accustomed to his role as spy extraordinaire, hence his slightly more relaxed demeanour in a potential turn in GoldenEye. But, nah, Brosnan nailed it.



Oh man, you too?

I lost faith in that score during the early car chase scene that was played for laughs. Seemed iffy even to my 11 year old self.

I'd like to have seen a 90's Bond film starring Dalton but Pierce nailed Goldeneye so I can't say I'd prefer to have seen anyone else in the role at that time.

If it makes you feel any better, I don't like Goldeneye's score, for the most part (especially on its own).

[dgoswald]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

If it makes you feel any better, I don't like Goldeneye's score, for the most part (especially on its own).

Even the opening gun-sight sequence seems wasted when it had that weird synth thing going on in the background. Were it not for Tina Turner and U2's theme I'd have been pretty disappointed on the aural side of things for GoldenEye.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by dgoswald

Even the opening gun-sight sequence seems wasted when it had that weird synth thing going on in the background. Were it not for Tina Turner and U2's theme I'd have been pretty disappointed on the aural side of things for GoldenEye.

[dgoswald]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I love that gif.

[dallywhitty]

You know, I'd like that line so much more if it actually sounded like Sean Connery. I've never understood why it sounds so different. Was it dubbed over by somebody else entirely? It takes me out of the film every time.